News Lachie Neale to Brisbane

[Superkoops]

I heavily reject that Port would need more than 5 and 25 to get 10 & 11.

Not only 5 and 25 equal to 10 and 11 on points, but the points are bogus, top picks are worth more than that. I also think that Rankine is a lock to be there at 5 and the Crows mismanager confirmed how hard it would be to get one of those picks. We also get to play SA clubs against each other, if not 10 and 11, i think we can get 8 and 15 from Crows. Pick 5 almost guarantee's an SA club Rankine for the next 13 years

I reckon the sweetener you mention is Mayes going to Port or Crows to get 9/10 or 8/15 over the line for pick 5 while we also get 22

You missed my point. I’ll spell out a bit more clearly:
Out
Brisbane: 5, 24, Mayes
Port Adelaide: 10, 11, 48
Freo: Neale

In
Brisbane: Neale
Port Adelaide: 5, 24, Mayes
Freo: 10, 11, 48

Mayes is the sweeter for which Port Adelaide release another draft pick which is passed onto us. We get the pick 48 instead of Brisbane because 5 & 24/25 needed a sweetener

 

[a mayes ing]

Lachie has made the 40 man squad in 2015,2016,2018

As has been mentioned though, he aint an AA. Good player, he will help the Lions a lot and Hogan will help you a lot. Win-win

 

[StevoJenkins]

You missed my point. I’ll spell out a bit more clearly:
Out
Brisbane: 5, 24, Mayes
Port Adelaide: 10, 11, 48
Freo: Neale

In
Brisbane: Neale
Port Adelaide: 5, 24, Mayes
Freo: 10, 11, 48

Mayes is the sweeter for which Port Adelaide release another draft pick which is passed onto us. We get the pick 48 instead of Brisbane because 5 & 24/25 needed a sweetener

Look, I know you guys want a lot for Neale as he is a good player, but Mayes is also a contracted player. He's not going to be involved if Brisbane's 20-something pick is on the table already.

Mayes will be traded regardless, as a kindness trade because one of his family members is ill/injured/don't know yet, however we'll want something more for a contracted player.

 

[Taylor]

Mitch Clark was an AA squad member

 

[SHill Shall]

Mitch Clark was an AA squad member

Not in 3 out of 4 consecutive years.

 

[FreoGirl]

As has been mentioned though, he aint an AA. Good player, he will help the Lions a lot and Hogan will help you a lot. Win-win

at least we will have someone to boo

 

[Superkoops]

Look, I know you guys want a lot for Neale as he is a good player, but Mayes is also a contracted player. He's not going to be involved if Brisbane's 20-something pick is on the table already.

Mayes will be traded regardless, as a kindness trade because one of his family members is ill/injured/don't know yet, however we'll want something more for a contracted player.

I agree that supporters inflate the value of their own players.

Let’s break it down to a trade between Brisbane and Port.

I actually watch a bit of the NEAFL. Mayes wasn’t injured in 2018. He played 6 AFL games - quite poorly. The coaching staff openly stating he lost form. He played 13 games for Brisbane Lions reserves and only managed 12 NEAFL MVP votes. So his form for the reserves was just ok.

Putting aside the contract status, you cannot demand a pick in the 20’s a player who fully fit has come off an 6-game AFL season (particularly if there is a goodwill component to the trade). He did have his best season in 2017, but I can’t see him going for anymore than 3rd round pick (prob later).

Port have Crazy Vossy going on and seem to be ready go all gangnam style again this trade period but would you honestly expect them to drop 10 & 11 for 5 & Mayes. On points value that would rate Mayes at Pick 22 (essentially an end of first round pick).

If Port go for it perhaps
5, 43, Mayes for 10 and 11

The main point of trade is that there will be sweaters to even out the trade. Yes I include Mayes in the sweeteners bracket along with picks in 40’s. Not useless picks in the 60 and 70’s.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

You missed my point. I’ll spell out a bit more clearly:
Out
Brisbane: 5, 24, Mayes
Port Adelaide: 10, 11, 48
Freo: Neale

In
Brisbane: Neale
Port Adelaide: 5, 24, Mayes
Freo: 10, 11, 48

Mayes is the sweeter for which Port Adelaide release another draft pick which is passed onto us. We get the pick 48 instead of Brisbane because 5 & 24/25 needed a sweetener

Bro, you missed my point. I think we can keep 24 for ourselves.

We have two SA clubs with currency and a gun SA kid that would be pick 1 or 2 for an SA club if they had the choice. Go to each club and see what they will give us as a best deal

 

[Superkoops]

Bro, you missed my point. I think we can keep 24 for ourselves.

We have two SA clubs with currency and a gun SA kid that would be pick 1 or 2 for an SA club if they had the choice. Go to each club and see what they will give us as a best deal

I got your point I just don’t think Brisbane or Port will go for it. Particularly Port 10 and 11 are still good picks. All for it if we can bend Port over in a trade. I still have flashbacks to us getting bent over for the Josh Carr trade and non-trade.

I like your suggestion with Adelaide and pick 8 & 16.

 

[Docker82]

There’s a few things that need to happen before we consider that trade with Port and Brisbane.

I still maintain there’s simply no way whatsoever if I was North Melbourne I’d trade pick 11 for Polec even if a high second rounder comes back. He’s barely worth a pick in the mid 20s.

Gaff could also be a problem. West Coast would have the ability to match any bid and if I was in their boots I’d rather match and take pick 11 even if that’s all they got rather than just accept pick 20.

Mayes doesn’t affect anything really. He couldn’t get a game this year at a bottom four club. He’s worth close to zilch - third or fourth round at best. If Port accepts him it’s great for Mayes but probably won’t help us too much.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I got your point I just don’t think Brisbane or Port will go for it. Particularly Port 10 and 11 are still good picks. All for it if we can bend Port over in a trade. I still have flashbacks to us getting bent over for the Josh Carr trade and non-trade.

I like your suggestion with Adelaide and pick 8 & 16.

Im probably getting ahead of myself but Rankine has to be ranked 1, 2 or 3 for SA teams. Dont think of it as pick 5, think of it as having pick 1 or 2. Do you think Carlton would give up pick 1 for 9 and 10?

I think we are a good shot at bending SA teams for pick 4 since its worth more to them than us by itself

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

There’s a few things that need to happen before we consider that trade with Port and Brisbane.

I still maintain there’s simply no way whatsoever if I was North Melbourne I’d trade pick 11 for Polec even if a high second rounder comes back. He’s barely worth a pick in the mid 20s.

Gaff could also be a problem. West Coast would have the ability to match any bid and if I was in their boots I’d rather match and take pick 11 even if that’s all they got rather than just accept pick 20.

Mayes doesn’t affect anything really. He couldn’t get a game this year at a bottom four club. He’s worth close to zilch - third or fourth round at best. If Port accepts him it’s great for Mayes but probably won’t help us too much.

Have you watched Port at all this year? Polec is worth pick 11 with something back easily

 

[StevoJenkins]

I agree that supporters inflate the value of their own players.

Let’s break it down to a trade between Brisbane and Port.

I actually watch a bit of the NEAFL. Mayes wasn’t injured in 2018. He played 6 AFL games - quite poorly. The coaching staff openly stating he lost form. He played 13 games for Brisbane Lions reserves and only managed 12 NEAFL MVP votes. So his form for the reserves was just ok.

Putting aside the contract status, you cannot demand a pick in the 20’s a player who fully fit has come off an 6-game AFL season (particularly if there is a goodwill component to the trade). He did have his best season in 2017, but I can’t see him going for anymore than 3rd round pick (prob later).

Port have Crazy Vossy going on and seem to be ready go all gangnam style again this trade period but would you honestly expect them to drop 10 & 11 for 5 & Mayes. On points value that would rate Mayes at Pick 22 (essentially an end of first round pick).

If Port go for it perhaps
5, 43, Mayes for 10 and 11

The main point of trade is that there will be sweaters to even out the trade. Yes I include Mayes in the sweeteners bracket along with picks in 40’s. Not useless picks in the 60 and 70’s.

I never demanded a high pick for Mayes, read my post again, I never mentioned his trade value. He is a mid to late 30ish at best, mostly because of his contract status.

I like how you mention Voss, because he also spent a lot of time on Mayes when he was coach of Brisbane. Wouldn’t put it past them to pick Mayes in that 30 range because of that.

Pick 5, 24ish and potential pick 30-40 is too much.

 

[Paracleet]

I never demanded a high pick for Mayes, read my post again, I never mentioned his trade value. He is a mid to late 30ish at best, mostly because of his contract status.

I like how you mention Voss, because he also spent a lot of time on Mayes when he was coach of Brisbane. Wouldn’t put it past them to pick Mayes in that 30 range because of that.

Pick 5, 24ish and potential pick 30-40 is too much.

If the choice between deal and no deal was down to a putative late second / early third rounder I’d be pretty confident Brisbane would take it.

 

[Arcassius]

As has been mentioned though, he aint an AA. Good player, he will help the Lions a lot and Hogan will help you a lot. Win-win

He's better than a good player, despite never getting into AA which is meaningless anyway. He'd be your second best midfielder for consistency of output in the same way he is ours.

 

[Frank J Moose]

I never demanded a high pick for Mayes, read my post again, I never mentioned his trade value. He is a mid to late 30ish at best, mostly because of his contract status.

I like how you mention Voss, because he also spent a lot of time on Mayes when he was coach of Brisbane. Wouldn’t put it past them to pick Mayes in that 30 range because of that.

Pick 5, 24ish and potential pick 30-40 is too much.

Mayes contract situation makes him worth less. On last two years form he is almost a salary dump. He is closer to being cut and paid out than he is to a top 40 pick.

 

[PapaJ]

I’m all in for Hogan because I have no confidence we will find a better key forward than him.

Probably right. I've always been one to favour proven players over picks. But that foot. I know it could be all worry for nothing, but it does bug me.

Prudence says to wait Hogan out 'til next year, but that would be a big call in this circumstance - my gut tells me if Neale wants out and Hogan genuinely wants in, then you make it happen this year, but you play up that injury concern for all its worth in trade negotiations.

 

[Superkoops]

I never demanded a high pick for Mayes, read my post again, I never mentioned his trade value. He is a mid to late 30ish at best, mostly because of his contract status.

I like how you mention Voss, because he also spent a lot of time on Mayes when he was coach of Brisbane. Wouldn’t put it past them to pick Mayes in that 30 range because of that.

Pick 5, 24ish and potential pick 30-40 is too much.

Point taken -the word demand wasn’t best used

But I still disagree. Pick range 30-40 is second round. Mayes isn’t worth second round. He is mid to late 3rd onwards >48/50 (depending on the picks Port have on hand). Which incidentally is the same range I consider as the sweetener. At the end of the day these sweeteners 3rd/4th round picks and Mayes/Sheridan type can be swapped around to make the trade work. A bit like Rookie listed Crisp as part of Beams trade.

Some relevant examples:
Freo got pick 41 for Hayden Crozier last year. Crozier whilst out of contract was offered a new contract from Freo but choose 2-years with WB. Was an unfulfilled talent with us. Tonight he finished 8th in their B&F.

Shane Kersten was traded for pick 63 again initially offered a 1year contract from Geelong but signed with Freo for 3years.

That is where I base trade range of 48-60 for Mayes. We’ll see in due course whether he fetched much more.

 

[ImperialPurple]

But does Hogan actually want in? Where has that actually come from? I'm not buying it tbh.

 

[JasRulz63]

Mayes contract situation makes him worth less. On last two years form he is almost a salary dump. He is closer to being cut and paid out than he is to a top 40 pick.

He struggled this year I agree, but he was 5th in our B&F last year.

 

[Lions Flag 2020]

Mayes isn't worth much. Neale is worth our pick 5 (4) and either our second or third rounder.

 

[Bicco]

But does Hogan actually want in? Where has that actually come from? I'm not buying it tbh.

And there's been nothing from the club either, whereas every other club has made their intentions clear.

 

[Yeti]

And there's been nothing from the club either, whereas every other club has made their intentions clear.

As a fan it can sometimes be a bit frustrating not knowing what is going on, I think it is great though.

The FFC don't seem to play through the media which could give them a stronger bargaining position. They don't get sucked in to making comments like Gold Coast did last year or even MFC did this year.

It's just silence.

It would be great if FFC just didn't comment on Lachie Neale but said to him we would like to keep you. Get the Hogan deal done with what we have then do the Neale trsde afterwards.

 

[Lach72]

There’s a few things that need to happen before we consider that trade with Port and Brisbane.

I still maintain there’s simply no way whatsoever if I was North Melbourne I’d trade pick 11 for Polec even if a high second rounder comes back. He’s barely worth a pick in the mid 20s.

Gaff could also be a problem. West Coast would have the ability to match any bid and if I was in their boots I’d rather match and take pick 11 even if that’s all they got rather than just accept pick 20.

Mayes doesn’t affect anything really. He couldn’t get a game this year at a bottom four club. He’s worth close to zilch - third or fourth round at best. If Port accepts him it’s great for Mayes but probably won’t help us too much.

You’re not taking into account Tarryn Thomas. They’re getting Gaff free of draft picks. Polec is worth a top 20 pick easily.’if they use 10 for Polec, they get Tarryn Thomas for a second round pick if someone bids on him


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[Taylor]

You’re not taking into account Tarryn Thomas. They’re getting Gaff free of draft picks. Polec is worth a top 20 pick easily.’if they use 10 for Polec, they get Tarryn Thomas for a second round pick if someone bids on him


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Best kick at the combine yesterday was Thomas.