Confirmed Liam Baker - Now a West Coast Eagle

[Jeremias]

Time for some house cleaning.

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[Sherriff Incorporated]

I just have an issue with some people who think 13 for Baker & 21 is fair .... in what world? Thats Basically giving him away for free.

They could try and make it a bit more believable and say pick 29 FFS

I was trolling you genius. I don't think it will be too much more though. Can see the trade being Baker and pick 6 for pick 3 and WC future second.

 

[stallon]

The trouble is though that your reality looks like being 13 (plus something back for Baker) So you're only left with 3-23, in my mind that's not enough 1st round picks for you guys. How then do you maximise your draft hand, given that the Tigers wont give up 6 & ? for pick 3. There's no other club that has the assets to give you 2 x top 10 picks this year and if you split it for a 1st this year and an F1 then you're pushing into a compromised and possibly weaker draft next year. Does 9 & Baker sound better than 10 & Baker for pick 3?

Is 9-13-23 better than 3-23?

There has been no real indication pick 13 would be used on a trade for Baker, 13 for Baker. There would no doubt be something coming back IF 13 was in fact on the table.
Twomey has come out with he "expects" 13 to be on the table because apparently Freo has 10 on the table, no doubt 10 was only on the table as it was linked to the Bolton deal.

Every other journo has just taken Twomeys guess, which was based on something Freo did, and run with it.
He has no info from the Eagles camp

 

[stallon]

I might be (well I am) a little dumb.

Isn't 2 for 8 & 12, almost exactly the same as 3 for 9 & 13?

*Edit......It's actually way better than what you guys did 2 years ago.

Current scenario is 3-23 & Baker, if we threw Baker & 9 for 3 instead then you end up with 9-13-23 & Baker, so effectively....

2 for 8 & 12 was ok, but 3 for 9 & 13 & Baker isn't?

Baker isnt worth pick 13 though, to us hes worth pick 20-odd.
3 for 9 and 20 isnt gonna cut it

 

[DragoDelph]

We likely had pick 10 on the table to set the price, knowing full well Baker had chosen WC.

Help Richmond get a little more for Baker, pay a little less for Bolton.

 

[mrposhman]

I was trolling you genius. I don't think it will be too much more though. Can see the trade being Baker and pick 6 for pick 3 and WC future second.

Personally I reckon we'd do that trade. 3 and Bakes for 6 and WCE F2 isn't a terrible deal. It guarantees our chance to pick the best out of the top group. I know people say that there isn't much difference between them, but getting the right balance of players with our 1st 2 picks is important. Getting Jagga and then a different type of mid like FOS could be huge. If we had 6, I think unlikely that FOS would still be there

 

[Barrybran]

I was trolling you genius. I don't think it will be too much more though. Can see the trade being Baker and pick 6 for pick 3 and WC future second.

We're not downgrading pick 3 AND giving Richmond the pick we should be giving them for Baker alone

 

[WestCoast05]

The way I see it, the BIG disconnect in this thread/discussion is that West Coast don't need Baker, but he'd be nice to have.
Therefore what they are willing to pay is NOT a reflection of Baker's actual value as a player but more a reflection of Baker's value to us in our current rebuilding position and with our current list.

The discussion is being framed around what he's worth BUT unfortunately for Richmond a faithful Premiership hero who is out of contract wants to return home and they likely won't get what he's worth.

And I don't think it's a case of West Coast trying to bend Richmond over a barrel (we have never traded like that, in fact we're the opposite) but just having different priorities in our current stage.

Richmond should be able to understand since they are in the exact same predicament.
Richmond wouldn't be offering a 1st rounder right now for Liam Duggan

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either if he wanted to return home and nominated them.

 

[Coach_Required]

The way I see it, the BIG disconnect in this thread/discussion is that West Coast don't need Baker, but he'd be nice to have.
Therefore what they are willing to pay is NOT a reflection of Baker's actual value as a player but more a reflection of Baker's value to us in our current rebuilding position and with our current list.

The discussion is being framed around what he's worth BUT unfortunately for Richmond a faithful Premiership hero who is out of contract wants to return home and they likely won't get what he's worth.

And I don't think it's a case of West Coast trying to bend Richmond over a barrel (we have never traded like that, in fact we're the opposite) but just having different priorities in our current stage.

Richmond should be able to understand since they are in the exact same predicament.
Richmond wouldn't be offering a 1st rounder right now for Liam Duggan either if he wanted to return home and nominated them.

You make it sound like West Coast haven't been chasing Liam for the past 4 years. Hate to break to you but Baker wanting to go home isn't the only variable in this equation.

Good thing is both clubs know what they want, there will be middle ground.

 

[WestCoast05]

You make it sound like West Coast haven't been chasing Liam for the past 4 years. Hate to break to you but Baker wanting to go home isn't the only variable in this equation.

Good thing is both clubs know what they want, there will be middle ground.

Agree, I do remember back in 2020 (I think it was) there was some rumblings. We were in a completely different situation back then - which is entirely my point.

Even if we have chased Baker in the past it's not up to West Coast to have to hamper their own rebuild. I'm sure you would feel the same way if it was Duggan nominating Richmond right now.

 

[Coach_Required]

Agree, I do remember back in 2020 (I think it was) there was some rumblings. We were in a completely different situation back then - which is entirely my point.

Even if we have chased Baker in the past it's not up to West Coast to have to hamper their own rebuild. I'm sure you would feel the same way if it was Duggan nominating Richmond right now.

I said early on pick 23, however for some reason the media keep referring to a higher pick, now normally I'd try ignore the media but when multiple different sources keep mentioning it, it's hard to ignore it.

 

[kerrazy]

I said early on pick 23, however for some reason the media keep referring to a higher pick, now normally I'd try ignore the media but when multiple different sources keep mentioning it, it's hard to ignore it.

Yeah but all sources saying 13 are Victorian.

They are also opinions, not fact.

It's like if all of the Barrass trade value opinions were from WA, saying two first round picks for him. How would you approach that?

 

[tigs2010]

Yeah but all sources saying 13 are Victorian.

Never heard of Paddy Sweeney in Vic until yesterday

 

[kerrazy]

Never heard of Paddy Sweeney in Vic until yesterday

You mean the tweet where he mentioned 13 being the starting point?

 

[WestCoast05]

I said early on pick 23, however for some reason the media keep referring to a higher pick, now normally I'd try ignore the media but when multiple different sources keep mentioning it, it's hard to ignore it.

I would expect that, but again, not based on Baker's actual value but on where we are at.
However what seems to be missing from the discussion is the shenanigans that may go on surrounding Graham's compo and how that may factor into the Baker deal.

 

[Coach_Required]

Yeah but all sources saying 13 are Victorian.

They are also opinions, not fact.

It's like if all of the Barrass trade value opinions were from WA, saying two first round picks for him. How would you approach that?

I'm only going by what's actually been reported, if you need to throw in conspiracy theories thats all fine if it makes you feel better.
Haven't heard West Coast actually come out and categorically deny the pick 13 rumours only your supporters.

 

[Astro35]

I'm only going by what's actually been reported, if you need to throw in conspiracy theories thats all fine if it makes you feel better.
Haven't heard West Coast actually come out and categorically deny the pick 13 rumours only your supporters.

Haven't heard them confirm it either. It's all media BS atm

 

[Coach_Required]

Haven't heard them confirm it either. It's all media BS atm

If the rumours were so far from the truth as your supporters keep telling us then clubs do sometimes deny it. So to me there is some truth to these rumours even if you don't want to believe it.

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

Five years in a row top 6 in the BnF, 5th tonight.

Consistent

 

[stallon]

I said early on pick 23, however for some reason the media keep referring to a higher pick, now normally I'd try ignore the media but when multiple different sources keep mentioning it, it's hard to ignore it.

Its actually the one source, which was a guess based off Freo supposedly having pick 10 on the table presumably because theyre dealing for Bolton too.
Everybody else has just run with it because there is 0 info out there

 

[stallon]

I'm only going by what's actually been reported, if you need to throw in conspiracy theories thats all fine if it makes you feel better.
Haven't heard West Coast actually come out and categorically deny the pick 13 rumours only your supporters.

They also havent denied that pick 64 we get for Darling would be the offer either

 

[Coach_Required]

Its actually the one source, which was a guess based off Freo supposedly having pick 10 on the table presumably because theyre dealing for Bolton too.
Everybody else has just run with it because there is 0 info out there

Only the one source? Yeah ok

 

[stallon]

Only the one source? Yeah ok

Yeah?

Twomey said it on gettable last week and since then everybodys run with it

 

[Astro35]

If the rumours were so far from the truth as your supporters keep telling us then clubs do sometimes deny it. So to me there is some truth to these rumours even if you don't want to believe it.

What i believe is irrelevant. And no, I doubt the club cares the slightest about rumours created by the media

 

[Moo]

Having watched Bakers B&F speech ....the deal must already be sorted.

Surely.

 

[tiger_tough]

Having watched Bakers B&F speech ....the deal must already be sorted.

Surely.

Nah. He's just a dumb bastard. Can play though..