Speculation Liam Baker [reportedly headed west]

[Jeremias]

Time for some house cleaning.

1) Do not drag discussions or individual posts over here from other threads or boards.

Feel free to respond to those posts wherever they were posted, if you so choose.

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We will use thread bans and infractions if necessary.

 

[Morro]

People might rate Barrass overall as a player & position, but Baker has 5-6 years of good footy left.

Barrass is towards the end of his career, hoping to get another Premiership to end.

Yep, if you needed to pick one of them for right now, you take Barrass but long term, they are miles apart.

Barrass wil retire with a ****ed back

 

[amazingjoshy]

These 2 threads really need to be merged. I never know which one I'm in

 

[Barrybran]

These 2 threads really need to be merged. I never know which one I'm in

I was just thinking the same about this and the Jack Graham thread

 

[JackOutback]

People might rate Barrass overall as a player & position, but Baker has 5-6 years of good footy left.

Barrass is towards the end of his career, hoping to get another Premiership to end.

One is born in October and one in January, there is effectively two years between them. If Barrass is on his death bed, Baker ain't far behind. Or, they actually have quite a few years left each.

 

[dean33]

This. Maybe I've got some bias because I don't tend to watch every West Coast game, but every memory I have of Barrass includes Jack Riewoldt toweling him up.

I was just thinking the same thing. Jack used to lick him lips when he saw barrass. I remember one game where he continuously turned it over. One of the best kpp in the game? lol

 

[WCE_authentic]

Tigers interest in pick 3 is real then, they want 2 of the top mids.
He didn't really say anything we didn't at least strongly suspect already

Clarke said "A pick in the early teens is about the agreed value"
Blair said "We at in the early stages of working through a deal"

Why would Matt concede an early elevated value position for a player who is uncontracted and can be pressured to walk from Richmond. It is obvious that Blair is running this and playing Ken-Doll-Clarke like a fiddle. Clarke may be a Richmond corporate espionage operator?
Matt the rat

 

[dean33]

Clarke said "A pick in the early teens is about the agreed value"
Blair said "We at in the early stages of working through a deal"

Why would Matt concede an early elevated value position for a player who is uncontracted and can be pressured to walk from Richmond. It is obvious that Blair is running this and playing Ken-Doll-Clarke like a fiddle. Clarke may be a Richmond corporate espionage operator?
Matt the rat

Good Richmond man is Matt.

 

[JackOutback]

Good Richmond man is Matt.

Now imagine your reaction if he burns you.

 

[Danog]

Now imagine your reaction if he burns you.

He's already burned us many times with his shit drafting

 

[bzparkes]

He's already burned us many times with his shit drafting

If 'shit drafting' = 3 flags, I'll take it.

 

[Danog]

If 'shit drafting' = 3 flags, I'll take it.

Francis Jackson drafted our stars. Clarke coasted off his successes.

 

[bzparkes]

Francis Jackson drafted our stars. Clarke coasted off his successes.

Yes, yes. It's everyone else's glory except the guy at another club/the one in charge at the time.

We all know how it works.

 

[Danog]

Yes, yes. It's everyone else's glory except the guy at another club/the one in charge at the time.

We all know how it works.

Jackson and Clarke worked the 2017 draft together before he became fully in charge as head of Richmond recruiting from 2018-2023

2017:

17: Higgins - Pass
20: Coleman-Jones - Fail
25: Balta - Big tick
34: Naish - Fail
63: Miller - Still up for debate
Rookie: Baker - Big tick

2018:

20: Collier-Dawkins - Fail
43: Ross - Pass
58: Turner - Fail
62: English - Fail
Rookie: Chol - Pass

2019:

Dow - Fail
Cumerland - Fail
Martyn - Fail
Ralphsmith - Pass
Nyuon - Fail

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So Clarke worked with FJ in 2017 and drafted Balta and Baker, who were part of the 2019 and 2020 flags. Everybody else was a non-factor and, when Clarke took over himself, he has failed over and over.

 

[tigs2010]

Yes, yes. It's everyone else's glory except the guy at another club/the one in charge at the time.

We all know how it works.

Yes we employed the guy as head recruiter and magically started winning flags instantly. Magician

We are now last with mostly his list lol

 

[Barrybran]

Yes we employed the guy as head recruiter and magically started winning flags instantly. Magician

We are now last with mostly his list lol

We'll throw him in with Culley + F2

 

[tigs2010]

We'll throw him in with Culley + F2

There was definitely a no backsies either in the contract or at least scrawled on the back of a napkin somewhere

 

[bzparkes]

Yes we employed the guy as head recruiter and magically started winning flags instantly. Magician

We are now last with mostly his list lol

He was there for 10 years, not 4.

I mean, you blokes are the ones talking up Baker, yet conveniently leave out mentioning that Clarke was the one who picked him

 

[bzparkes]

Jackson and Clarke worked the 2017 draft together before he became fully in charge as head of Richmond recruiting from 2018-2023

2017:

17: Higgins - Pass
20: Coleman-Jones - Fail
25: Balta - Big tick
34: Naish - Fail
63: Miller - Still up for debate
Rookie: Baker - Big tick

2018:

20: Collier-Dawkins - Fail
43: Ross - Pass
58: Turner - Fail
62: English - Fail
Rookie: Chol - Pass

2019:

Dow - Fail
Cumerland - Fail
Martyn - Fail
Ralphsmith - Pass
Nyuon - Fail

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So Clarke worked with FJ in 2017 and drafted Balta and Baker, who were part of the 2019 and 2020 flags. Everybody else was a non-factor and, when Clarke took over himself, he has failed over and over.

Clarke was at Richmond since 2009.

You think he sat on his hands for 8 years?

 

[tigs2010]

He was there for 10 years, not 4.

I mean, you blokes are the ones talking up Baker, yet conveniently leave out mentioning that Clarke was the one who picked him

As an assistant lol. As main guy he picked Baker and Balta too. 2 good ones in 7 drafts. What a gun.

There are few maybes as well that may save him looking like a complete dud. Time will tell but not looking like he did any good for us.

Lucky for you guys you haven't brought him in for that role.

 

[dean33]

Pick 42 for graham. Seems the eagles didn’t help us there. Has to be 14 for baker now.

 

[bzparkes]

As an assistant lol. As main guy he picked Baker and Balta too. 2 good ones in 7 drafts. What a gun.

There are few maybes as well that may save him looking like a complete dud. Time will tell but not looking like he did any good for us.

Lucky for you guys you haven't brought him in for that role.

Hmm, ok.

Se we have Richmond supporters in this thread telling us he was pulling all the strings and will look after Richmond and we now have Richmond supporters telling us that no, he in fact didn't contribute to anything and is now a complete dud.

Got it.

 

[bzparkes]

Pick 42 for graham. Seems the eagles didn’t help us there. Has to be 14 for baker now.

Pick 28 for a far better player in Neal-Bullen has pretty much set the price already.

 

[Danog]

Pick 28 for a far better player in Neal-Bullen has pretty much set the price already.

ABN is old and decrepit, just like Barrass. Baker's still in his prime.

 

[bzparkes]

ABN is old and decrepit, just like Barrass. Baker's still in his prime.

ANB came third in Melbourne's B&F, which is a better result than Baker came(5th) in Richmond's, despite playing in a better side.

 

[stallon]

Gee makes you wonder how someone like ANB or Barrass can even get on the park being so old