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No team can win 3 finals in a row travelling. Freo and Brisbane are both done for the year
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Coach Lions - Has the Fagan era already peaked?
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Exactly. They were in a panic. The self destruct button was pressed.
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I didn't watch them today but I find it hard to believe that their last 5 minutes was mentally weaker than North's last 5 minutes against the Eagles a week ago.
Pretty much. We were clearly not a top 2 side in 2020.
Saying Brisbane should've won it in 2020, is like saying a WA side should've won it in 2021, or that Collingwood or Richmond (or any other MCG tenant) not winning the flag every year is mucking it up because the GF is held at their home ground, and that = laid out on a platter.
Why clearly not? You finished 2nd and beat us in the qualifying final. It was also your 2nd straight season finishing top 2. You just didnt show any physicality at all in the prelim.
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where is 3 Road games in a row there?
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Really hard to get a read on Brisbane right now. Their best is good enough to get them to a prelim and possibly even another GF, but their worst could see them getting eliminated in the first week of the finals. These are very small margins though - if Bailey had kick a goal when he was streaming through the midfield or Daniher had kicked straight late in the fourth quarter then they would've be sitting pretty inside the top 4. It should be pointed out that Brisbane do have an advantage of lots of recent finals experience when compared to most of the other top 8 teams.
As for whether they've already peaked under Fagan, it probably depends on how they recruit in the off season. We already know they are getting the best/second best junior in the country in the draft with Levi Ashcroft committing to them as well as another first round pick in Sam Marshall. They did the same two years ago with two other F/S picks Will Ashcroft & Jasper Fletcher. That's the kinda high end draft talent that's going to keep you up there even when your list starts to age.
Hard to see Brisbane not remaining a top 8 team over the next few years with the talented youngsters on their list, but if they want to genuinely continue contending for flags in the short term then they need to recruit more players in their prime while these younger talents develop.
As for whether they've already peaked under Fagan, it probably depends on how they recruit in the off season. We already know they are getting the best/second best junior in the country in the draft with Levi Ashcroft committing to them as well as another first round pick in Sam Marshall. They did the same two years ago with two other F/S picks Will Ashcroft & Jasper Fletcher. That's the kinda high end draft talent that's going to keep you up there even when your list starts to age.
Hard to see Brisbane not remaining a top 8 team over the next few years with the talented youngsters on their list, but if they want to genuinely continue contending for flags in the short term then they need to recruit more players in their prime while these younger talents develop.
If we could shorten the game to 1 quarter that'd be great.
If they only took advantage of the the free kicks in front of goal, they would have won. 5 goals 4 behinds from free kicks 30m out or closer
From direct free kicks? Where did you get this stat?
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100% peaked .
They’re what in about their 5th/6th year of contending?, outside the anomalies that are Geelong and Sydney that’s about as long as you get before your A graders start becoming too old and not enough young talent to replace them*
* obviously the lions will be a little different here with their AFL assisted academy and f/s gifts so rather than a stark drop they should still be semi competitive in next few years before bouncing back with more elite academy gifts
They’re what in about their 5th/6th year of contending?, outside the anomalies that are Geelong and Sydney that’s about as long as you get before your A graders start becoming too old and not enough young talent to replace them*
* obviously the lions will be a little different here with their AFL assisted academy and f/s gifts so rather than a stark drop they should still be semi competitive in next few years before bouncing back with more elite academy gifts
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How much of that is on the coach, and how much on the players? I don't know whether the issue is Fagan not saying the right things to make the players have the champion mentality, or whether the players are simply incapable of having it.
The father-son access (which is entirely luck) has probably flipped the script for Brisbane in a lot of ways. You'd typically see a team genuinely competing for a flag for about five years before they start to drop off (Brisbane first made the finals in 2019 in this window) but having access to pick 2 F/S draftee Will Ashcroft and pick 12 F/S draftee Jaspa Fletcher two years ago as well as a top 3 pick in F/S draftee Levi Ashcroft this year probably means they are going to fight off the natural dip that other clubs would face in this scenario. For this reason it wouldn't be surprising to see the Lions make finals for 10 years in a row. Get ready for the Ashcroft brothers era in the next five years - it's coming. It'll probably be like the Daicos brothers, but potentially more successful.
That's the F/S rule for you. It's kept the Bulldogs competitive for the last decade and now we see it benefitting the Lions.
It would take some effort to lose at home tonight against a crippled Carlton.
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Well good sir you must realise that such things are ... well you know ... it's just not cricket!
If they did then surely Fagan would be joining Kenny at Centrelink next week?
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I think our boys could manage that. It's been that kind of year.
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I know Fagan can't kick the goals for his team..
But what the hell is going on up there?
But what the hell is going on up there?
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