List Mgmt. List Management Discussion for 2022

[HawthornHawk]

I stand by it, we've had a lot of problems through the middle. There are better midfielders in the league obviously, but none would have made a real difference compared to O'Meara. Even with him being an above average / elite centre clearance player most years we've still had the worst centre clearance differential since 2019, same goes with contested possessions, stoppage clearances. Pretty much everything through there. Could have replaced him with peak Dusty and we'd have been no better or potentially worse because of how lazy Dusty is defensively.

We made 5 draft decisions around inside mids from 2010-2015 that completely f'd us and meant we felt the need to go hard at the trade table, but even so, the deal for Jaeger was horrendous, parting with those picks delayed the inevitable and set us back years.

 

[KermitJagger]

We made 5 draft decisions around inside mids from 2010-2015 that completely f'd us and meant we felt the need to go hard at the trade table, but even so, the deal for Jaeger was horrendous, parting with those picks delayed the inevitable and set us back years.

We gave up Pick 7 in 2017, 26 in 2017 as well as 23 and 36 in 2016 for the deals to get Jeager over the line. It was a fair bit.

Feel free to have a look at who was taken or still available at those picks, would be curious to know who of them would have made that much of a difference.

 

[HawthornHawk]

We gave up Pick 7 in 2017, 26 in 2017 as well as 23 and 36 in 2016 for the deals to get Jeager over the line. It was a fair bit.

Feel free to have a look at who was taken or still available at those picks, would be curious to know who of them would have made that much of a difference.

Easy

Shai Bolton, Tom Stewart, Aaron Naughton & take your pick of Sam Taylor/Liam Ryan/Bailey Fritsch

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

Again - nobody (outside of Hawthorn2023) is calling Tom a spud. People need to stop with this 'stop hating on Tom' business. Most people who are willing to objectively critique what he is presently offering for the side and being realistic about him possibly being trade collateral don't hate him and don't think he is a spud. Try some nuance.

Nathan Buckley did

 

[KermitJagger]

Easy

Shai Bolton, Tom Stewart, Aaron Naughton & take your pick of Sam Taylor/Liam Ryan/Bailey Fritsch

When I've looked back, Naughton and Bolton are the two biggest missed opportunities - Ryan was always going to West Coast, Stewart was always going to Geelong.

It still leaves us with an issue in the midfield though.

 

[Mercy Seat]

We made 5 draft decisions around inside mids from 2010-2015 that completely f'd us and meant we felt the need to go hard at the trade table, but even so, the deal for Jaeger was horrendous, parting with those picks delayed the inevitable and set us back years.

Yes finally! Let’s discuss the JOM trade one more time….

 

[A Diakos]

Easy

Shai Bolton, Tom Stewart, Aaron Naughton & take your pick of Sam Taylor/Liam Ryan/Bailey Fritsch

a perfect illustration of the failure the omeara deal was

that said he's been good this year and it looks like his best years at hawthorn are ahead of him ...has a role to play

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Nathan Buckley did

Oh what name is he posting under here?

 

[Hawthorn2023]

Yes believe it or not, green means above average and blue means elite.

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Unless my eyes are playing tricks on me, I don't see any blue.

 

[KermitJagger]

Unless my eyes are playing tricks on me, I don't see any blue.

Don't think I'm medically qualified to comment tbh

 

[Hawthorn2023]

Don't think I'm medically qualified to comment tbh

That's fine, but just be mindful the next time you put JOM and the word "elite" in the same sentence.

 

[KermitJagger]

That's fine, but just be mindful the next time you put JOM and the word "elite" in the same sentence.

I mean there's certainly blue, I'm just not medically qualified to comment as to why you can't see it.

 

[Hawthorn2023]

I mean there's certainly blue, I'm just not medically qualified to comment as to why you can't see it.

Unless green is the new blue??

 

[hawkman]

Caro said on Footy Classified if Clarkson is the North coach Shiels may go across to join him

 

[KermitJagger]

Caro said on Footy Classified if Clarkson is the North coach Shiels may go across to join him

Pick 1 plz

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Caro said on Footy Classified if Clarkson is the North coach Shiels may go across to join him

Musing or fact?

 

[chopflop]

Yes finally! Let’s discuss the JOM trade one more time….

Thread officially

 

[chopflop]

Caro said on Footy Classified if Clarkson is the North coach Shiels may go across to join him

Makes sense... Reckon dan Howe could also go. Clarko loved himself a dour winger

 

[Sixpence]

a perfect illustration of the failure the omeara deal was

that said he's been good this year and it looks like his best years at hawthorn are ahead of him ...has a role to play

Bolton was pick 29 and was passed over by every team. In hindsight, he would have been great, but how likely is it that we actually would have picked him?

Others would have been handy, but none would fix our midfield issues, in fact, we'd be worse off.

 

[Hawks91b]

Time for us to join the Grundy chase. Lose McEvoy and his salary, Coll willing to pay a chunk of his salary and we wouldn't need to part with much in draft capital.

 

[tommyk72]

Time for us to join the Grundy chase. Lose McEvoy and his salary, Coll willing to pay a chunk of his salary and we wouldn't need to part with much in draft capital.

Nope. I’m happy with our developing rucks. Need a seasoned VFL vet to hold the next year, but Grundy doesn’t offer value for us.

 

[hawkman]

Musing or fact?

She said think he will go. At 3.15

 

[hawkman]

Pick 1 plz

We will be generous and offer a late 3rd back

 

[Simon Crawshay]

Pick 1 plz

Time for us to finally get some pay out from Clarkos trading methods!

 

[Khmerhawk]

Caro said on Footy Classified if Clarkson is the North coach Shiels may go across to join him

That was always a possibility I think, Clarkson has always said he rated him as the most under rated player at the hawks. Good luck to him if he can snag a 1 or 2 year contract there.