List Mgmt. List Management Discussion for 2022

[hamohawk1]

They will have to trade unless they want to lose their McStay compo.

Alternatively, happily take McStay

 

[H00t]

Gunston and Big Boy would be big losses in the forward half if true.

Bit of a worry how it might impact Lewis' development if he's the only real aerial threat.

With that said, it probably just highlights a huge area of concern that needed to be addressed on the road to contention at some point.

What would our current tall fwd stocks look like?

Lewis - elite talent
Kosi - I'm a fan, but even so it's a low ceiling for me. Bit of a McStay.
Jeka - who knows if he's ever viewed as a forward anymore

Kind of feel if Gunston leaves, Grundy might actually be more of a solution so he and Reeves can spend time forward.

Outside that, I wouldn't be against finding a solid tall with 100 games experience for depth. How did Sam Day play in the VFL this year?

Would Weiderman be worth a flier given our lack of depth?

Could we find the Casboult of 2023 to plug a gap for a year or two and take pressure off Lewis?

A lot might depend on how Mitchell wants to set up. We don’t necessarily need a ton of key forwards. Especially if we play a faster, rebound gamestyle.

Means we will need to get more value out of our smaller forwards than we have so far. Also means we will have to avoid just dump kicking the ball inside 50

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Have it on relatively good authority (mate is connected to the family) that Gunstan to Brisbane on a 2 year contract is pretty much done but waiting for finals to play out.

Is Gunston staying with us though?

 

[Suntory Boss Coffee]

re: Gunston. Moving to Brisbane could be good for personal life. Came out of long term relationship in the last year

 

[MrPremiership]

re: Gunston. Moving to Brisbane could be good for personal life. Came out of long term relationship in the last year

When I had break ups I usually just started going out more with friends.

Young people these days....now they move interstate!

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Surely we take Cadman now.

Nah, our priority is still a top end mid.

Gunston staying or going doesn’t change that, because our midfield is so bad.

Lewis, Kosi, Ramsden, Serong, Lawrence is enough talls for 2023.

 

[MrPremiership]

Think we have enough talent in the forward line to be good enough FOR NOW......if we had a better midfield.


Midfield talent is the first, second and third priority this off season. Amon was the first piece to that.

 

[Mojo]

On paper Gunston to Brisbane doesn’t really make sense… he’d be accepting a lesser deal ($) than whatever Hawthorn can offer, and the common ‘career extension’ offer that our previous greats were afforded doesn’t really apply to Jack because he’s still playing at a very high level.

Perhaps it’s simply a lifestyle change for his final years before entering retirement.

 

[MrPremiership]

On paper Gunston to Brisbane doesn’t really make sense… he’d be accepting a lesser deal ($) than whatever Hawthorn can offer, and the common ‘career extension’ offer that our previous greats were afforded doesn’t really apply to Jack because he’s still playing at a very high level.

Perhaps it’s simply a lifestyle change for his final years before entering retirement.

and being closer to a flag....

 

[Dewnior]

Alternatively, happily take McStay

 

[Titch3Votes0MooreAA]

Gunston and Big Boy would be big losses in the forward half if true.

Bit of a worry how it might impact Lewis' development if he's the only real aerial threat.

With that said, it probably just highlights a huge area of concern that needed to be addressed on the road to contention at some point.

What would our current tall fwd stocks look like?

Lewis - elite talent
Kosi - I'm a fan, but even so it's a low ceiling for me. Bit of a McStay.
Jeka - who knows if he's ever viewed as a forward anymore

Kind of feel if Gunston leaves, Grundy might actually be more of a solution so he and Reeves can spend time forward.

Outside that, I wouldn't be against finding a solid tall with 100 games experience for depth. How did Sam Day play in the VFL this year?

Would Weiderman be worth a flier given our lack of depth?

Could Amartey be the next Chol?

Could we find the Casboult of 2023 to plug a gap for a year or two and take pressure off Lewis?

Weideman hasn't once taken the chances he's been given by Melbourne, and Melbourne looks worse as a side when he's playing, so I believe we are better off not considering him. Amartey is a fantastic player who would add some much-needed athleticism to our forward line, as he showed when he and Sydney destroyed Box-Hill last week in the VFL. As for the draft, we should be drafting Jerome Lawrence as a father-son, so that's at least one key forward we should be adding to our roster and depth charts. Luke McCabe's son is eligible as a father-son in the 2023 draft, and he is showing promising signs at the underage level, so he's a player we'll be considering next year. In the present, the midfield is our greatest concern heading into the trade and draft periods, so I doubt we select Cadman. There is a chance we take Lemmey or Keeler with our second-round selection, but hey, that's just a theory, a football theory!

 

[MrPremiership]

Weiderman is a poor man's Lewis.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

On paper Gunston to Brisbane doesn’t really make sense… he’d be accepting a lesser deal ($) than whatever Hawthorn can offer, and the common ‘career extension’ offer that our previous greats were afforded doesn’t really apply to Jack because he’s still playing at a very high level.

Perhaps it’s simply a lifestyle change for his final years before entering retirement.

You've missed the most obvious one - much much closer to a flag. He can play out his career competing for a flag or struggling through a rebuild.

 

[derp de derp]

Alternatively, happily take McStay

Can I ask why?

Statistically i would argue Kosi isn’t far off him now.

If Gunston is going this is Kosi’s opportunity.


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[hamohawk1]

Can I ask why?

Statistically i would argue Kosi isn’t far off him now.

If Gunston is going this is Kosi’s opportunity.


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I've always liked what i've seen of Mcstay but wouldnt be against giving Kozi a make or break run of games next season

 

[Dewnior]

You've missed the most obvious one - much much closer to a flag.

Yeah, I'm not so sure.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Yeah, I'm not so sure.

You have to be kidding? It's literally true. One team has made Finals years in a row, whilst the other hasn't.

Do you think we will finish above them, or even make Finals next season? Brisbane have no old players on the way out bar Zorko. They will be competitive for a few years to come. We dream of being in their position.

 

[jenniferHAWKinS]

Yeah, I'm not so sure.

I think the Lions have now missed their premiership window. Their current squad has fallen over under pressure consistently in big games over the last 4 years. Ashcroft will help but some deep seeded issues (no heart) with many players on that list.

 

[Dewnior]

You have to be kidding? It's literally true. One team has made Finals years in a row, whilst the other hasn't.

Do you think we will finish above them, or even make Finals next season? Brisbane have no old players on the way out bar Zorko. They will be competitive for a few years to come. We dream of being in their position.

Trajectory. I think Lions are going backwards while we are going forwards.

 

[jenniferHAWKinS]

You have to be kidding? It's literally true. One team has made Finals years in a row, whilst the other hasn't.

Do you think we will finish above them, or even make Finals next season? Brisbane have no old players on the way out bar Zorko. They will be competitive for a few years to come. We dream of being in their position.

They are better than us right now but no closer to a flag. List management is about identifying players that wilt under intense pressure and the Lions have far too many of those.

 

[Stratton24]

You've missed the most obvious one - much much closer to a flag. He can play out his career competing for a flag or struggling through a rebuild.

Port were closer to a flag than Collingwood last year. Good luck predicting the future.

 

[jenniferHAWKinS]

Have it on relatively good authority (mate is connected to the family) that Gunstan to Brisbane on a 2 year contract is pretty much done but waiting for finals to play out.

As long as Jack Gunston remains at the Hawks I’m happy.

 

[Jazzfan]

I think the Lions have now missed their premiership window. Their current squad has fallen over under pressure consistently in big games over the last 4 years. Ashcroft will help but some deep seeded issues (no heart) with many players on that list.

Dunkley, Gunston and Ashcroft would improve them in 2023.

Still have growth to come from Clug, Raynar, Coleman and Bailey. Hipwood is coming off an ACL too, he'll be better in 2023.

Andrews is a massive worry for them but.

 

[jenniferHAWKinS]

They will have to trade unless they want to lose their McStay compo.

The McStay compo pick will be substantial. As stupid as it is, Gunston’s value on the open market is far less than what that pick will be. It makes perfect sense for the Lions to trade with us.

 

[Hawkers Hero]

Without trying to start a 'Best 22' thread before list management is complete, I find it useful to start with the notional team to see where we need improvement - this can either be natural (I.e. Newk, Ward, CMac etc) or structural (I.e. FAs, trade or draft).

By my reckoning the team at present absent inevitable injuries (assuming Gunners stays and Titch goes as i think he has to) looks something like;

Hardwick Blanck DGB
CJ Sicily Scrimshaw
Amon JOM Day
Moore Gunston Wingard
Butler Lewis Breust

Reeves Newk Ward

Lynch/Kosi Finn CMac Worpel

Unlucky to miss are players like Nash, Morrison, Impey, Bramble and Lynch/Kosi who I all rate and would happily play. Jeka and Frosty also stiff.

Looking at this, we are building some nice depth but the notable gaps I see are replacements for Gunston, Breust and the second ruck role. We would be hopeful Ramsden comes on in 18mths or so to play that ruck/fwd role and I see Wingard playing more of a Breust role in due course with a pure mid coming in.

Fast forward 2 years and IMO the biggest hole in the list is CHF if Kosi doesn't show improvement and we persist with Jeka back.

If you could get a second top 10 pick this year and get say Cadman and Wardlaw you go a long way to solving the 2024 team. Maybe that looks like putting our 2023 first and one of our surplus defenders on the table to see what comes back?