1 - South Barwon, Newcomb, Geelong Ammos, Belmont, Bell Post Hill
2 - Corio, Nth Geelong, Leopold, Bell Park, Modewarre
3 - Wade Chapman/Fopiani, Fletcher/Woolnough, Haami Williams
4 - J. McLeod (Thomson), Scott Faulkner (GWSP), Tim Clark (Ammos),
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1 - South Barwon, Newcomb, Geelong Ammos, Belmont, Bell Post Hill
2 - Corio, Nth Geelong, Leopold, Bell Park, Modewarre
3 - Wade Chapman/Fopiani, Fletcher/Woolnough, Haami Williams
4 - J. McLeod (Thomson), Scott Faulkner (GWSP), Tim Clark (Ammos),
Yeah Spot on Zoey however you have basically covered all new coaches in the GFL as having made 'big inroads' lol. Fair to say Woolnough/Fletcher have made the biggest improvements considering the players and leadership they have lost (I'm starting to eat my own words actually... didn't rate St. Mary's due to that factor).
What about 4) for the GFL?
M. Corrigan, D. Cameron (Sth B)
G. Verco (Newt)
D. Carson (GWSP)
buddy your a f**k wit for making up so much shit like that and if you have any balls go and front him and tell him to his face and then see what happens.........w****er.......gee get off the poor blokes back, he has given barwon heads great service..........
your a fu**in goose, why say bulls**t like that on here, i'm 1 of the melb boys & u couldn't b further from the truth post shit like that again & it'll b your last fu**wit
here, here chip i totally agree with you. people have nothing better to do other than make up the biggest crap i have ever heard of.......go chip
must be an opposition player trying to ruffle a few seagull feathers....f***em i say chip...........
What ive heard is that corio has been dogged by loads of injury's so its hard to cover your main play makers and goal kickers.........i think they will improve heaps in the 2nd half of the year.
J.Mcleod.........wrong answer......just a massive hang out and gets easy kicks.........
Will get found out when tough players play on him....
Hornet12
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I'll only comment on GFL as not too qualified to reply on GDFL or BFL comps. Leopold would no doubt be disappointed with how they are going and considering their great year last year, you would have thought their depth would see them up and about despite key injuries. Bell Park have had a tough draw to start the season but if they were to be amongst it they would have wanted better than 1-2. Gilham at GWSP has got his boys up and about as has Glen Keast at NS. George Verco has been a fantastic pick up for Newtown whilst Dale Carson (GWSP) despite being quiet on Sat will also prove one of the stars of the season. David Cameron also giving Sth Barwon another string to their bow after switching from defence to attack. Aside from the Swans clearly out on top, it looks like a very even season and with the recruitment of some quality key position players, dare I say, the GFL may not be the midfield-oriented comp that it has been in recent seasons.
J.Mcleod.........wrong answer......just a massive hang out and gets easy kicks.........
Just going by the papers, seems to have kicked a lot of goals. How about giving your opinions, lets see what you think.
benchie
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Is that the David Cameron that played for geelong several years ago before heading to Brisbane?
No its not
this is a bit left fielded. but i was just wondering if anyone from GWSP, Leopold or Albans knows if tony Brown has been tagged every game this season so far....I know that when Newtown played Leopold, Ben Sanderson and Guy Roberston rotated on him and gave him no room to move.
Just wondering if this is why his first 3 games have been quieter than you'd expect from him.
And just my 2 cents on who i think from GFL has been really good are George Verco (N&C), Craig MCcaughan , Paul and Mark Corrigan (SB)
D Carson (GWSP), Blair Allan (St Albans), Josh Rudd (St Joeys)
Just wondering if this is why his first 3 games have been quieter than you'd expect from him.
And just my 2 cents on who i think from GFL has been really good are George Verco (N&C), Craig MCcaughan , Paul and Mark Corrigan (SB)
D Carson (GWSP), Blair Allan (St Albans), Josh Rudd (St Joeys)
tony brown didnt play against st albans
Hornet12
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Brown played ok against West. Got in their best but was far from his usual form. Didn't look like he was being tagged. Russell Whiteford played on him from memory and did a very good job without sacrificing any of his own game. Dale Carson kicked 7 straight Rnd 1 and 7 straight Rnd 2 but 0 Rnd 3 in the Roosters good win over St Marys. Good for GWSP that he can have a very quiet day and their forwards can help them to one of their best wins in recent times.
Thought i wouild throw this up for discussion.
What are peoples thoughts on a threee tiered competition in Geelong with promtion/relegation.
I think it would be a great thing for local football for its long term future and would make football inthe Geelong region possibly the strongest country footy comp in the country.
Of course most GFL clubs are against such a move, which is fair enough for them to look after their own backyard but for the betterment of football in Geelong it needs to happen. Someone like the VCFL needs to step in and make it happen because all clubs will never agree to it.
It would make football in Geelong stronger because the weaker clubs will be more competitive and teams lower on the ladders will have something to play for, survival. It also gives better clubs an oppurtunity to become better through promotion.
Aside from league loyalties and clubs wanting to keep the status qou i find it hard to get negatives out of it. It would be tough for a few years unbtil clubs found their feet and rightful spot but in the long term it would be great .
A club like Portarlington who has won what 2 games in 3 or 4 years would be able to step down a level and actually be competitive. I am sure they would love to win regularily no matter who they played as long as they won. And for stronger clubs such as Ocean Grove in the past and Geelong Amateurs promotion to the top league would be a great incentive for them, and staying up once they got there and even greater challenge.
The set up could look something like this to start with.
Premier League (GFL)
Division 1 (BFL)
Division 2 (GDFL)
The 2 grand Finalists in Div 1 and 2 get promoted.
The bottom 2 teams in Premier and Div 1 get relegated.
Simple.
Each team would find their appropriate spot.
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What are peoples thoughts on a threee tiered competition in Geelong with promtion/relegation.
I think it would be a great thing for local football for its long term future and would make football inthe Geelong region possibly the strongest country footy comp in the country.
Of course most GFL clubs are against such a move, which is fair enough for them to look after their own backyard but for the betterment of football in Geelong it needs to happen. Someone like the VCFL needs to step in and make it happen because all clubs will never agree to it.
It would make football in Geelong stronger because the weaker clubs will be more competitive and teams lower on the ladders will have something to play for, survival. It also gives better clubs an oppurtunity to become better through promotion.
Aside from league loyalties and clubs wanting to keep the status qou i find it hard to get negatives out of it. It would be tough for a few years unbtil clubs found their feet and rightful spot but in the long term it would be great .
A club like Portarlington who has won what 2 games in 3 or 4 years would be able to step down a level and actually be competitive. I am sure they would love to win regularily no matter who they played as long as they won. And for stronger clubs such as Ocean Grove in the past and Geelong Amateurs promotion to the top league would be a great incentive for them, and staying up once they got there and even greater challenge.
The set up could look something like this to start with.
Premier League (GFL)
Division 1 (BFL)
Division 2 (GDFL)
The 2 grand Finalists in Div 1 and 2 get promoted.
The bottom 2 teams in Premier and Div 1 get relegated.
Simple.
Each team would find their appropriate spot.
Thoughts
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Being a fan of soccer and the tier-type structure there, i think it might be good for footy here. There would be some issues to work out, such as travel between some clubs (e.g Portarlington to Anakie). Also whether it would be difficult for the clubs in lower divisions to attract players each year would be another query. But the base idea of it sounds ok.
NoRumoursAllFact
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Although i dont agree with a lot of stuff u write, i have always thought this would be a sensational idea Hulkster.
Although only the wooden spooner should get relegated and premiership team promoted.
The problem with the travel is nothing.. werribee to winch and vice versa is a fair hike.. but teams only have to do it once every year at the most. The problem is jumpers, so teams would have to come up with alternative strips. if u went by the results last year... Torquay, Grovedale and Colac Tigers would all be in the same league so a clash strip would be needed for when they play.
But how exciting would the games between bottom teams be towards the end of the year if they were playing for league survival.. more coverage, more money, it's a crime that they haven't done it yet.
Football Geelong should take ownership of the three leagues, combine it as 'Football Geelong' and have premier,div1 and div2.
The addy would actually be worth reading and the standard would improve across the board.
Although only the wooden spooner should get relegated and premiership team promoted.
The problem with the travel is nothing.. werribee to winch and vice versa is a fair hike.. but teams only have to do it once every year at the most. The problem is jumpers, so teams would have to come up with alternative strips. if u went by the results last year... Torquay, Grovedale and Colac Tigers would all be in the same league so a clash strip would be needed for when they play.
But how exciting would the games between bottom teams be towards the end of the year if they were playing for league survival.. more coverage, more money, it's a crime that they haven't done it yet.
Football Geelong should take ownership of the three leagues, combine it as 'Football Geelong' and have premier,div1 and div2.
The addy would actually be worth reading and the standard would improve across the board.
Travel i dont think would be an issue ,there is already a fair bit of travel in local footy, Geelong to Colac, Anglesea to Queenscliff, Winchelsea to Werribee etc.
I actually think it would help attract players to clubs. There is the incentive of possibly winning a premiership and then getting promoted and play at the higher level. Currently a team like Portarlington, and even St Albans to a lesser exent cant attract players beacause basically they are going to lose every week. But if they dropped down a level they might have a better chance to win some games and be successful thereofre making it easier to attract payers.
There was discussion about this last year and Football Geelong had thought about this concept for some time. However, the GDFL was the largest hurdle to climb since they believed that majority of their teams would linger in the 'third division' and could potentially destroy their clubs. They also argued that their league was financially strong (thanks to the help of owning Buckleys) and that having a three division competition wouldn't be beneficial for them at all.
The proposition is never ruled out completly however. Football Geelong is continuosly in discussions with the GDFL about certain issues and one day, the GDFL may have to turn to the Football Geelong for survival or even vice verser! (I'm not suggesting that will occur in the near future, just a possibility.)
My concerns are that this structure could make or break clubs.
Geelong Ammos have been for years saying they should be in the GFL and that they could succesful on and off the field. The have the characteristics of many GFL clubs with recent premierships, financially strong and have an excessive number of junior footballers to come through. This is a situation where a club could 'make it' because given the oppotunity, I believe the Ammos would become succesful. Other clubs in a similar situation would be Torquay and Drysdale.
In regards to clubs breaking, the struggling clubs of the GDFL and BFL may find it hard to maintain players and support if they aren't succesful. For example (for arguments sake), say a club like Barwon Heads was placed in the division two competition but was relegated after a poor season, what insentives would their be for playes to remain at the club? Money is one reason but success is by far better then money. This year and last year, Barwon Heads have thrown a bit of money round to find success so the loyalty isn't there compared to other clubs. Why wouldn't players just seek money AND success at rival clubs such as Ocean Grove, Leopold and Drysdale? So basically, if clubs that aren't stable don't succeed, they will just crumble until they rebuild and buy themselves a succesful team again.
My vote is for a three division comp though, would bring a new perspective to Country and Local Football.
The proposition is never ruled out completly however. Football Geelong is continuosly in discussions with the GDFL about certain issues and one day, the GDFL may have to turn to the Football Geelong for survival or even vice verser! (I'm not suggesting that will occur in the near future, just a possibility.)
My concerns are that this structure could make or break clubs.
Geelong Ammos have been for years saying they should be in the GFL and that they could succesful on and off the field. The have the characteristics of many GFL clubs with recent premierships, financially strong and have an excessive number of junior footballers to come through. This is a situation where a club could 'make it' because given the oppotunity, I believe the Ammos would become succesful. Other clubs in a similar situation would be Torquay and Drysdale.
In regards to clubs breaking, the struggling clubs of the GDFL and BFL may find it hard to maintain players and support if they aren't succesful. For example (for arguments sake), say a club like Barwon Heads was placed in the division two competition but was relegated after a poor season, what insentives would their be for playes to remain at the club? Money is one reason but success is by far better then money. This year and last year, Barwon Heads have thrown a bit of money round to find success so the loyalty isn't there compared to other clubs. Why wouldn't players just seek money AND success at rival clubs such as Ocean Grove, Leopold and Drysdale? So basically, if clubs that aren't stable don't succeed, they will just crumble until they rebuild and buy themselves a succesful team again.
My vote is for a three division comp though, would bring a new perspective to Country and Local Football.
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Your talking about the ammos premiershipS Where did the 'S' come from ? havent they only won the '04 flag in the past decade at least? If anyone deserved to go to GFL based on this it would have to be ocean grove for their sustained success... which by the way could amount to another flag this year.
In regards to the GDFL thinking that their clubs would 'linger' in div2.. how would that be any different to how it is now, only difference is that there is no chance for teams to get any better. The GDFL are looking at this the wrong way if this is the case. Looking at past results over a decade.. the only teams that would be doing any lingering at this stage would be inverleigh, geelong west, belmont and maybe even winchelsea.. but even belmont have had a solid start to this year. Maybe the incentive of a promotion would sting some regular under-achievers into action.
Clubs would have no trouble attracting players either because as it stands now.. players can be attracted to leave GFL clubs to go to GDFL and vice-versa.
In regards to the GDFL thinking that their clubs would 'linger' in div2.. how would that be any different to how it is now, only difference is that there is no chance for teams to get any better. The GDFL are looking at this the wrong way if this is the case. Looking at past results over a decade.. the only teams that would be doing any lingering at this stage would be inverleigh, geelong west, belmont and maybe even winchelsea.. but even belmont have had a solid start to this year. Maybe the incentive of a promotion would sting some regular under-achievers into action.
Clubs would have no trouble attracting players either because as it stands now.. players can be attracted to leave GFL clubs to go to GDFL and vice-versa.
i'm glad you could contain yourself whispers...
Flat Track Bully
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Milky Mahoney thread...
A few issues...
Lower grades of footy and netball...
It's all well and good for a team's senior side to be promoted...however what if their two's and thirds are just battlers in their current competition.
Also not every GDFL and BFL side is fielding a under 18's at this stage...(Newcomb having withdrawn theirs after just a couple of rounds) .(Yes that can be overcome by removing the under 18s from each league and running it like the under 16's and 14's with Geelong junior footy.
Remember we had promotion and relegation between the GFL and GDFL div one in the 80s....and some club's became yo yo's
St.Joseph's anyone?...GDFL premiers 82...GFL wooden spooners 83...GDFL premiers 84.
Ammos also struggled after winning the GDFL premiership in 85 (I think) and were hammered in 1986 by all and sundry...I think they were the last team to be promoted.
Netball...well Newcomb are the other example of a team not having the numbers.
If they were, hypothetically, the team to go up in 2008...they would go with a struggling netball section (no A grade) and non under 18 footy...not the ideal situation in supposedly the number one footy league in country Vic. (It's not the O and M has the GFL covered in so many ways it's not funny...)
ohwhenthesaints
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***GFL TAKE NOTE***
The wrecking ball of muscle they call Andrew "Fodda" Forster, is about to be unleashed. The sledgehammer himself has been doing the running lately and is about to to let his ripped body and iron pipe arms loose on the GFL. He has been working on his talk skills at the BC, with such killer lines to the girls as, "If you play your cards right, you could be coming home with me."
The wrecking ball of muscle they call Andrew "Fodda" Forster, is about to be unleashed. The sledgehammer himself has been doing the running lately and is about to to let his ripped body and iron pipe arms loose on the GFL. He has been working on his talk skills at the BC, with such killer lines to the girls as, "If you play your cards right, you could be coming home with me."
Hornet12
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The Multi-tiered structure of a football competition in the Geelong region not only makes sense from a strength perspective but it will also foster renewed enthusiasm and interest in local football. Each club would no doubt have their own issues to sort through but what we have read already is that it is right for the supporters and right for the community. I am not a soccer fan as such but this system works very, very well and let's not forget that soccer has been around for a lot longer than footy so they must be doing something right. League domination and also floundering (see Port/St Albans) have been all too common threads locally for some time and this structure will put an end to that once the clubs settle. I agree with everything that has been said so far. Surely clubs like St Albans, Port, etc would look forward to chalking up some wins and so too clubs like Ammos, Ocean Grove, Torquay towards flexing their muscles and matching it with the former GFL clubs. Possibly one of the key features would also be clubs from BFL/GDFL retaining their better players who in most cases tend to gravitate towards the GFL. This is WHAT Geelong needs and Football Geelong needs to take control. Every grade other than Seniors inc. netball will sort itself out in due course. Get the structure for the seniors right first and everything will flow on from there.
Football Geelong should take ownership of the three leagues, combine it as 'Football Geelong' and have premier,div1 and div2.
Yes, yes let Football Geelong take ownership of it... Get real! There's a little problem with the fact that the GDFL are the landlords of a little place called Buckleys. After 12 hard years of paying off loans, the place belongs to us in the next couple of years. The freehold is valued at about $8000000 based on current rent income. That means the 10 full member clubs and 2 part member clubs are sitting pretty.. I don't know what raiders will do with all that extra money when the loans are paid off... Maybe buy Football Geelong and wind it up!!
Yes, yes let Football Geelong take ownership of it... Get real! There's a little problem with the fact that the GDFL are the landlords of a little place called Buckleys. After 12 hard years of paying off loans, the place belongs to us in the next couple of years. The freehold is valued at about $8000000 based on current rent income. That means the 10 full member clubs and 2 part member clubs are sitting pretty.. I don't know what raiders will do with all that extra money when the loans are paid off... Maybe buy Football Geelong and wind it up!!
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