Traded Luke Jackson [Traded with #44 and #67 to Fremantle for #13, F1 and F2]

[Blackas87]

I think he can be but why would Melbourne or Fremantle over pay for him?

Both are set in the ruck position.

over pay? Melbourne drafted him at pick 3. Why use pick 3 on him if Melbourne are already set?

Answer is because he’s a gun player, and he’s justified it by winning the rising star. Gun players don’t grow in trees, that’s why you pay for them.

 

[Polo342]

over pay? Melbourne drafted him at pick 3. Why use pick 3 on him if Melbourne are already set?

Answer is because he’s a gun player, and he’s justified it by winning the rising star. Gun players don’t grow in trees, that’s why you pay for them.

Maybe Melbourne should have done their homework and realised he was a flight risk? In hindsight they likely would have taken either Lachlan Aish or Hayden Young with pick 3 instead. Drafted position means nothing when it comes to trade value. Trust me we felt the same last year. We was just lucky that Carlton had Pick 6.

 

[Yeti]

Rhys Palmer won a rising star award. I'd hardly use that as a talking point when discussing trade value.

If Calb Serong requests a trade next year when he is out of contract should it be 2 x top 10 picks because he has won the rising star award?

No club is paying that, for any player. Should he request a trade to Fremantle they will likely have to get creative. Try and turn their pick 18 this year into something closer to 10.

 

[Blackas87]

Maybe Melbourne should have done their homework and realised he was a flight risk? In hindsight they likely would have taken either Lachlan Aish or Hayden Young with pick 3 instead. Drafted position means nothing when it comes to trade value. Trust me we felt the same last year. We was just lucky that Carlton had Pick 6.

Dissgree, trade value is still high, they drafted the best player for a reason. Up for Fremantle to come up with it now. If Cerra chose Melbourne last year you would of accepted our 2nd round pick?

 

[Yeti]

Dissgree, trade value is still high, they drafted the best player for a reason. Up for Fremantle to come up with it now. If Cerra chose Melbourne last year you would of accepted our 2nd round pick?

Cerra trade seems like s good comparison. Freo should be aiming to provide something as close to that as possible.

Only having pick 18 this year will be difficult but they have done some magic previously. Maybe Connor Blakely will request a trade to the gold coast.

 

[Polo342]

Dissgree, trade value is still high, they drafted the best player for a reason. Up for Fremantle to come up with it now. If Cerra chose Melbourne last year you would of accepted our 2nd round pick?

Did you guys even have a second round pick though?? I think there is a difference between the amount we have to trade this year and what you guys had last year. I wouldn't have accepted it nope. Trade value is definetly still high. Our 2 firsts will be on the table but we have to remember he is an out of contract player. That gives a little bit of discount.

Out of curiosity. If we were comparing trade value of players. Who holds more value Young or Jackson?

 

[Polo342]

Cerra trade seems like s good comparison. Freo should be aiming to provide something as close to that as possible.

Only having pick 18 this year will be difficult but they have done some magic previously. Maybe Connor Blakely will request a trade to the gold coast.

Love the confidence in Pick 18 haha

 

[Blackas87]

Did you guys even have a second round pick though?? I think there is a difference between the amount we have to trade this year and what you guys had last year. I wouldn't have accepted it nope. Trade value is definetly still high. Our 2 firsts will be on the table but we have to remember he is an out of contract player. That gives a little bit of discount.

Out of curiosity. If we were comparing trade value of players. Who holds more value Young or Jackson?

Melbourne had Brisbane’s 2nd round pick heading into the trade period, traded it and got our own 2nd back.

I don’t agree with the out of contract discount, to get someone of Jackson’s talent you needed a top 3 pick in his draft, you need to trade what would get you pick 3 in this years draft. Teams need to trade overs to get a contracted player out, not discount for out of contract.

Midfield is the most important and valuable part of the field, Jackson influences the games most important area so his value is higher.

 

[Polo342]

Melbourne had Brisbane’s 2nd round pick heading into the trade period, traded it and got our own 2nd back.

I don’t agree with the out of contract discount, to get someone of Jackson’s talent you needed a top 3 pick in his draft, you need to trade what would get you pick 3 in this years draft. Teams need to trade overs to get a contracted player out, not discount for out of contract.

Midfield is the most important and valuable part of the field, Jackson influences the games most important area so his value is higher.

So effectively the 2nd rounder would have been what pick like 36? :S

I mean the out of contract thing is real. Im trying to think of an out of contract player that went for fair value. Still think it also could resemble Jeremy Cameron Trade.

Without reading back what do you think the trade with Fremantle will be then mate?

 

[Blackas87]

So effectively the 2nd rounder would have been what pick like 36? :S

I mean the out of contract thing is real. Im trying to think of an out of contract player that went for fair value. Still think it also could resemble Jeremy Cameron Trade.

Without reading back what do you think the trade with Fremantle will be then mate?

It should be the other way around. If you want a contracted player you need to pay overs to entice the other club to trade.

Out of contract should be fair value. Using this case as an example, why should Fremantle get a quality player for unders while Port Adelaide can’t? Getting players unders is getting a leg up on the competition.

If Jackson were in the draft this year, you’d need a top 3 pick. If you want to draft Jackson you’d need to trade up to pick 3. That’s his value.

No idea what the trade would be. But I’d back that he signs an extension than enter the pre-season draft. No way I’d trade for unders.

 

[King Tenz]

Clearly Sean Darcy

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Sean Darcy

Age

26

Ht

203cm

Wt

111kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.1

3star

K

3.4

1star

HB

6.6

4star

CL

2.4

4star

HO

28.8

5star

D

6.8

1star

K

2.0

1star

HB

4.8

3star

CL

1.8

4star

HO

20.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

6.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

HO

32.0

5star

was better at the same age, didn't play as much because of injuries and Ross Lyon being a bit of a dumb campaigner at times.

Also, our 2 firsts for Jackson and a 2nd. Lock it in.

 

[Polo342]

It should be the other way around. If you want a contracted player you need to pay overs to entice the other club to trade.

Out of contract should be fair value. Using this case as an example, why should Fremantle get a quality player for unders while Port Adelaide can’t? Getting players unders is getting a leg up on the competition.

If Jackson were in the draft this year, you’d need a top 3 pick. If you want to draft Jackson you’d need to trade up to pick 3. That’s his value.

No idea what the trade would be. But I’d back that he signs an extension than enter the pre-season draft. No way I’d trade for unders.

The thing is though its realistically impossible for Fremantle to trade up to a top 3 pick. Id say its impossible for all top 6 finishing teams.

With regards to the Port Adelaide comment. Its because its not his club of choice. To much power to the player if you ask me.

 

[Blackas87]

The thing is though its realistically impossible for Fremantle to trade up to a top 3 pick. Id say its impossible for all top 6 finishing teams.

With regards to the Port Adelaide comment. Its because its not his club of choice. To much power to the player if you ask me.

Well that’s up to Fremantle to decide they can’t trade up. You can’t pick up talented prospects like Jackson finishing where Fremantle have finished. I wanted Melbourne to pick up Horne-Francis last year but weren’t a bottom side.

Just using Port as an example, but any club. Why should one club get a talented player on discount where the rest of the comp isn’t. It’s getting a leg up, it’s why out of contract players should be trade for value, contracted players overs.

 

[Polo342]

Well that’s up to Fremantle to decide they can’t trade up. You can’t pick up talented prospects like Jackson finishing where Fremantle have finished. I wanted Melbourne to pick up Horne-Francis last year but weren’t a bottom side.

Just using Port as an example, but any club. Why should one club get a talented player on discount where the rest of the comp isn’t. It’s getting a leg up, it’s why out of contract players should be trade for value, contracted players overs.

As a club that isn't from Melbourne Im sure there have been a lot of times we have traded players back for under. If a player wants to go home then they should go to the highest bidder trade wise. But that's not how it works in AFL

 

[markm106]

I understand the issue Freo supporters have here. They already have a gun ruck who has years left in him. And are going to be bringing in a guy who will be on as much or more money who is also a ruckman. Is it worth putting yourself out of two drafts for? I think Jackson is a fair chance to be a better player but unless you don’t trust Darcy is staying long term why invest so heavily in the ruck. You’d just be trying to work on his forward craft as he’s shown he can play with another ruck. It’s just the $ that would worry me.

 

[eastfreo75]

Well that’s up to Fremantle to decide they can’t trade up. You can’t pick up talented prospects like Jackson finishing where Fremantle have finished. I wanted Melbourne to pick up Horne-Francis last year but weren’t a bottom side.

Just using Port as an example, but any club. Why should one club get a talented player on discount where the rest of the comp isn’t. It’s getting a leg up, it’s why out of contract players should be trade for value, contracted players overs.

I agree that two late first second picks isn't quiet enough.

Pick 3 is valued 2234 points and I believe that top picks are 30-50% undervalued.

What needed is about 3200 points.

Most Fremantle posters will hate this but it should 2022 first round, 2023 first round, Pick 28 Acres trade, and Meek for stake knives.

 

[Polo342]

I agree that two late first second picks isn't quiet enough.

Pick 3 is valued 2234 points and I believe that top picks are 30-50% undervalued.

What needed is about 3200 points.

Most Fremantle posters will hate this but it should 2022 first round, 2023 first round, Pick 28 Acres trade, and Meek for stake knives.

Hells to the no on this trade haha!! That would be the most expensive trade ever just about

 

[eastfreo75]

Hells to the no on this trade haha!! That would be the most expensive trade ever just about

First round picks are not equal and picks will be 14-18.

Judd went for Kennedy (pick 4), pick 3 and pick 20.

 

[Kanye West]

So what type of player is he? Is he a ruckman?

He's an overall player, silly!

 

[Kanye West]

Maybe Melbourne should have done their homework and realised he was a flight risk? In hindsight they likely would have taken either Lachlan Aish or Hayden Young with pick 3 instead. Drafted position means nothing when it comes to trade value. Trust me we felt the same last year. We was just lucky that Carlton had Pick 6.

The thought of that make me want to cry

 

[Taylor]

I think the Taranto trade is going to indicate the value of a top three pick out of contract moving to another club. Taranto of course being a club champion award winner is how I'd balance out the age difference between the two.

And I think Taranto is going to be traded for a first and a second.

So will Jackson. But I think Freo will the Dogs a solid and try and make that first a top ten pick.

 

[Polo342]

First round picks are not equal and picks will be 14-18.

Judd went for Kennedy (pick 4), pick 3 and pick 20.

I mean I agree they are not equal. But crikey that is a crazy amount to give up. I reckon Meek alone could get us a early second if we wanted to trade him. He would probably start in close to 10 teams in the afl

 

[eastfreo75]

I mean I agree they are not equal. But crikey that is a crazy amount to give up. I reckon Meek alone could get us a early second if we wanted to trade him. He would probably start in close to 10 teams in the afl

Meek isn't getting a game.

Early second is a bit much.

Late Second and early third is about right or some sort of upgrades.

 

[Polo342]

Meek isn't getting a game.

Early second is a bit much.

Late Second and early third is about right or some sort of upgrades.

mmmm I get that he is not getting a game but that's cause we have Lobb and Darcy. Meeks stats are actually insane for a Wafl level player. Hope we hold him to contract if that's all we get :/

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I agree that two late first second picks isn't quiet enough.

Pick 3 is valued 2234 points and I believe that top picks are 30-50% undervalued.

What needed is about 3200 points.

Most Fremantle posters will hate this but it should 2022 first round, 2023 first round, Pick 28 Acres trade, and Meek for stake knives.

No, no one is worth that much. I’m going to be interested to se the difference in trade value between Taranto and Jackson.

Taranto older but much more proven, sounds like he’ll have a longer contract at similar or slightly less money then Jackson