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Traded Luke Jackson [Traded with #44 and #67 to Fremantle for #13, F1 and F2]
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Meek is not getting an early second. 3rd rounder at best. Go have a look at other ruck trades over the years for back up rucks.
Hopefully we hold him then. I would say quite a few clubs have asked the question of meek. So there would be no shortage of clubs. I suppose rucks have never really been traded for much have they.
Out of curiosity have you seen his Wafl stats though? Just today he got 22 Disposals, 6 odd tackles, 29 hit outs and 3 goals. Previous games are great to
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Meek is more than a back up ruck. He would be the number one ruck at a host of clubs, Sydney included!
He is basically our Darcy Cameron, and it would take the same type of situation for him to actually take over from Sean Darcy!
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Without looking at every other trade for back up rucks that left to become the main ruck, Meek is contracted at least. Early 2nd is fanciful but I think there's a world where he's worth about pick 30. Maybe I'm optimistic.
Edit" Quick look at Pruess, Pittonet and Witts trades and it seems your correct which is depressing. Some club is going to get an absolute steal there
Nank pick 46
Cameron upgraded pick 62 to 56
Witts picks 44 and 62
Pittonet pick 54
That’s just ones I could think of recently.
Cameron upgraded pick 62 to 56
Witts picks 44 and 62
Pittonet pick 54
That’s just ones I could think of recently.
No I haven’t been keeping tabs on his WAFL form. I do t doubt he could be a good AFL ruck. But history shows you won’t get an early second. Third rounder is around the mark.
You seem way over invested though. Yes Melbourne fans are going to be disappointed, but it falls into the stiff bickies category.
You took a risk with a WA boy, WC aren’t interested so you’ll have to take a fair, yet not ridiculous trade from Fremantle.
This is nothing like Cerra. You certainly won’t be getting the equivalent of the pick 3 you originally paid back. Freos first, maybe a second as well with you guys giving a third is more than enough.
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how is it nothing like Cerra? it's exactly the same.
Hard pass. Big fan of Meek who's starting to put everything together (like traditional ruckmen tend to do) and is unusually clean at his feet for a player his size. Big fear he'll be leaving next season for more opportunities since he's stuck behind Darcy and has all the tools of being a bargain pickup for a gun ruck.
More importantly Luke Jackson, what does he bring to Freo that justifies that cost? Undersized, super athletic ruck that arguably looks better playing in the the best team of the past two years.
For that price (both salary and trading) he'll need to fill some of the following:
- No.1 Ruck (Not needed, unless Darcy somehow turns into a fulltime Full Forward...)
- Play Lobb's role for the next 8-10 years (Give him the benefit of time but I've yet to seem him look anywhere near threat beyond drifting is a forward mismatch)
- Develops the ability to play CHB like a Cameron or Blicavs
I would rather Freo keep their picks and keep drafting. We're a gun small forward away from a potent forward line of Amiss/Treacy/Sturt/Schultz/Fredricks combo and our mid/backline depth is fantastic. Looking forward to seeing how Jackson goes as Melbourne's No.1 in a few years though
He played 11 games in 2019, he got injured or he would of played more. What year were you comparing too?
Darcy turned 21 in 2019, just as Jackson will do this year. Or you comparing the year Darcy turned 20 to the year Jackson turns 21?
You took the risk on a WA boy. He wants WA. You only have one club to trade with. It’s a stiff bickies situation unfortunately.
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I don't mind giving up our two first rounders for Jackson, but are we allowed to go into the draft without a single selection?
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Jackson plays this entire season as a 20 year old but let’s compare their compare their 3rd seasons.
11 games from Darcy: 11.09 disposals, 1.82 marks, 0.45 contested marks
Jackson 20 games: 14:35 disposals, 3.15 marks, 1.25 contested. (These stats are actually ahead of Darcy this year)
Sure Darcy had the hitout numbers (not playing behind the Aus ruckman like Jackson is) but as an overall player Jackson is well ahead of Sean Darcy at the same age.
Like I said, Jackson won the Rising star, Darcy didn’t even get a nomination.
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Not saying he is but some ordinary players have won the rising star. Including the Lions Lewis Taylor
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Why is the comparison being made with Sean Darcy at all? Sean Darcy is a primary ruck, Luke Jackson is a forward who fills in in the ruck.
He should be being compared to Mitch Georgiades. But even he doesn't fill in the ruck.
He should be being compared to Mitch Georgiades. But even he doesn't fill in the ruck.
Darcy turned 21 in June that year. Jackson turns 21 in September this year. It’s the comparable season. They are 3 months apart in age comparing that season.
Darcy 0.4 goals a game while playing mainly ruck. Jackson 0.5 goals while playing predominantly forward.
Darcy, more clearances, more 1%, more rebound 50s (probably because he was in the ruck), and a crap load more hitouts 27 vs. 11. Slightly less disposals, slightly less contested possessions. Less tackles.
It sort of proves Darcy was performing at the same level as Jackson is now at the same age. Darcy more of a traditional ruckman, Jackson roaming around and joining in link up play, and doing what Jackson does as a part time ruck.
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Less disposals, less contested possessions, only just more clearances, and as you said probably because he was in the ruck. Imagine how many clearances and disposals Jackson would get if was in the midfield majority of the game. When Jackson goes into the ruck his impact is far ahead of where Darcy was in his 3rd season.
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Meek is over-rated by Freo fans. Sure he dominated his opposing WAFL ruck around the ground showing off his great tank, agility and clearance work for a 1st ruck. Kicked three snags too.
Meanwhile he lost the hitouts by three to his no-name opponent.
He does everything well except actually rucking. He's not a no. 1 AFL ruck.
This conversation started because you said Jackson was miles ahead of X,Y,Z ruckman and included Darcy. I stated that Darcy was ahead, but comparing the years they turned 21, I concede that Jackson has better stats around the ground but Darcy is ahead in clearances and hitouts. I think they had equally impactful 3rd years in the afl. Perhaps your perception that Jackson outperformed all other ruckman is incorrect.
Darcy’s 4th year is again injury interrupted but his 5th year results in a BnF and all Australian squad selection. I wonder if Jackson will win a BnF by 2024, though competing with Petracca, it might be a better measure to see if he makes AA squad. Only time will tell.
Funny because you could probably apply this post to Jackson lol, does everything well except rucking
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Of course Darcy is ahead in clearances 2.8 to Jackson 2.4 because Darcy was always in the ruck. Give Jackson the amount of ruck time Darcy was getting and he’s averaging 4.5 clearances. When Jackson goes into the ruck he is a much more impactful player than Darcy in his 3rd year.
No doubt Darcy during his 5th year was amazing, I’d had him the 2nd best ruck in the league behind Gawn that year.
But those ruckman I mentioned earlier were not as impactful as Jackson at the same stage of their careers.
Earlier this year (not that I agreed) people were already calling Jackson a top 2-3 ruck in the league. No one had Darcy near the top 3 during his 3rd year.
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my question was how is it different from Cerra?
