Traded Luke Jackson [Traded with #44 and #67 to Fremantle for #13, F1 and F2]

[Snuffaluphagus]

just think in terms of improving the team at the expense of the individual; and about your opinion on the relative values of Darcy and Jackson. nothing sinister.

I dont think the team necessarily improves swapping the two. Regardless of what Danster says, until proven otherwise, Darcy is a better ruck than Jackson. He might be a lumbering tree, but he's elite at everything you mainly need rucks to do. Take contested marks / compete for ground ball / clearances /surprisingly good resting up forward / win ruck contests. Max Gawn might have awesome mobility, but he's elite at those other things first, it/s why Grundy was never worth his contract.

If Darcy wanted to leave, I would do a direct swap for Jackson, but I wouldnt include anything else

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Jesus Christ mate.

Jackson would almost certainly put Freo over the line for a flag.

As long as you don't give up any of your young guns, you do whatever it takes to get him to Freo.

This obsession with draft picks is irrelevant for a club in Freo's position.

Seize the day.

Freo supporters have PTSD but there is literally never been a more perfect time at our club for a player like Jackson

• We have young talent coming our arse at the moment with 5 top 21 picks of the last couple of years unable to crack the first side despite most playing well, even dominating at WAFL. We can afford to splurge on sure things that meet our timeline rather than go through the draft.
• We are entering our window, not exiting it
• He fills a need should Lobb again look to leave
• What we can pay is limited by the assets we have available and he's out of contract

If Freo supporters still dont want Jackson, they basically have resigned themselves to never wanting to trade for big name players again

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

I dont think the team necessarily improves swapping the two. Regardless of what Danster says, until proven otherwise, Darcy is a better ruck than Jackson. He might be a lumbering tree, but he's elite at everything you mainly need rucks to do. Take contested marks / compete for ground ball / clearances /surprisingly good resting up forward / win ruck contests. Max Gawn might have awesome mobility, but he's elite at those other things first, it/s why Grundy was never worth his contract.

If Darcy wanted to leave, I would do a direct swap for Jackson, but I wouldnt include anything else

I don't think you should or have to give up Darcy in a potential Jackson trade.

If Jackson was contracted and wanted to go home maybe, but he isn't.

If you guys get Jackson, I can almost guarantee you that Freo will win a flag.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I don't think you should or have to give up Darcy in a potential Jackson trade.

If Jackson was contracted and wanted to go home maybe, but he isn't.

If you guys get Jackson, I can almost guarantee you that Freo will win a flag.

Yeah I mean, I know we wont be giving up Darcy if he asks for a trade. It would be some combination of two firsts and Lobb

 

[markm106]

Jackson needs to prove himself as a fwd before freo would think about selling the farm.
Comparing lobb and Jackson the only thing he has over lobb this year is clearances.
We need goals.
We have a gun rk and and number 2 whose progressing well.
Freo only over spend on trades if it’s a fwd.

If Freo want to use him as a forward who chops out in the ruck they’ll probably overspend. Unless Darcy can improve his fitness and agility and become a bit more like Gawn getting back and forward more often. It’s not uncommon for Gawn to take a key forward to allow May of Lever free for a play. He also plays inside forward 50 often. Allows Jackson an reasonable amount of ruck time. Probably not going to happen with Darcy but he is young.

 

[RonnieRaven]

If Freo want to use him as a forward who chops out in the ruck they’ll probably overspend. Unless Darcy can improve his fitness and agility and become a bit more like Gawn getting back and forward more often. It’s not uncommon for Gawn to take a key forward to allow May of Lever free for a play. He also plays inside forward 50 often. Allows Jackson an reasonable amount of ruck time. Probably not going to happen with Darcy but he is young.

Darcy won our bnf last year.
His battle injury concussion so far this year.
The most jacko will get is 40% ruck time.
Like Neale last year would love at freo but worth more to their current club then freo so an agreement won’t happen.

 

[s_wd6]

If Jackson wants to get here he will. Not the same as Neale because neale had 2 years left, Jackson is OOC. Freo will cough up whatever draft picks for him. They will not trade away star young players for him. Like the Cameron trade, Melbourne would have to take the best available that we can offer if he were to request a trade and nominate freo.

Of course none of that matters since he is going to re-sign, but he's the sort of player you would give up top draft picks for at this stage now that the rebuild is essentially complete.

 

[markm106]

Darcy won our bnf last year.
His battle injury concussion so far this year.
The most jacko will get is 40% ruck time.
Like Neale last year would love at freo but worth more to their current club then freo so an agreement won’t happen.

Yeah I don’t see Jackson being a player you’d be particularly requiring. Unless Darcy left. Or Jackson became a gun key forward which isn’t his role. Gawn has 3 more season ls after this year so could see Jackson taking the ruck role whereas he won’t at Freo.

 

[RonnieRaven]

If Jackson wants to get here he will. Not the same as Neale because neale had 2 years left, Jackson is OOC. Freo will cough up whatever draft picks for him. They will not trade away star young players for him. Like the Cameron trade, Melbourne would have to take the best available that we can offer if he were to request a trade and nominate freo.

Of course none of that matters since he is going to re-sign, but he's the sort of player you would give up top draft picks for at this stage now that the rebuild is essentially complete.

Of course but like snuff has said our absolute best offer if we continue form will be two teen first rders and lobb.

 

[danster168]

He would run rings yes. But ill guarantee you Darcy will have far more impact on the game currently

I don't disagree with you there. I rate Darcy. But I wouldn't say far more. Jackson is probably a top 5 ruckman right now, especially if given the number 1 ruck role.

 

[s_wd6]

Of course but like snuff has said our absolute best offer if we continue form will be two teen first rders and lobb.

Cameron was a Coleman medallist and went for 3 teens with 2 second rounders coming back. Severe under bc he was ooc and nominated geelong and that was the best Geelong could offer.

In the context of that then 2 teens and lobb is enough.

 

[danster168]

Cameron was a Coleman medallist and went for 3 teens with 2 second rounders coming back. Severe under bc he was ooc and nominated geelong and that was the best Geelong could offer.

In the context of that then 2 teens and lobb is enough.

I don't want Lobb. At 30, he's not adding value to the trade. He'd have to be someone else.

I'd feel ripped off at getting 2 speculative picks for Jackson. At the very least, you go and deal with a 3rd club. You package up your 2 firsts to get a pick in the top 5. Then you throw us 5 and 1 or 2 good players. Jackson is worth more than Cameron was as he is so much younger. Yes, he's not a Coleman medallist. He's a generational ruck talent. If you don't want to pay up, we'll deal with WCE who will offer us pick 1 or 2 as a starting point.

 

[s_wd6]

I don't want Lobb. At 30, he's not adding value to the trade. He'd have to be someone else.

I'd feel ripped off at getting 2 speculative picks for Jackson. At the very least, you go and deal with a 3rd club. You package up your 2 firsts to get a pick in the top 5. Then you throw us 5 and 1 or 2 good players. Jackson is worth more than Cameron was as he is so much younger. Yes, he's not a Coleman medallist. He's a generational ruck talent. If you don't want to pay up, we'll deal with WCE who will offer us pick 1 or 2 as a starting point.

You won't deal with WCE if jackson doesn't want to go to WCE.

 

[danster168]

You won't deal with WCE if jackson doesn't want to go to WCE.

Yes we will. Same as with Cerra wanting to come to Melbourne but he was told Melb had nothing to give so he went for his next best option which was Carlton. It's the exact same thing.

 

[s_wd6]

Yes we will. Same as with Cerra wanting to come to Melbourne but he was told Melb had nothing to give so he went for his next best option which was Carlton. It's the exact same thing.

No its not. Cerra was happy to go to Carlton. If he didn't want to go to carlton, he wouldn't have ended up there. Richmond wanted him too but he didn't want to go there, so we didn't deal with them. If Jackson does not want to go to WCE, he will not end up at WCE. It's not that hard to comprehend.

 

[danster168]

No its not. Cerra was happy to go to Carlton. If he didn't want to go to carlton, he wouldn't have ended up there. Richmond wanted him too but he didn't want to go there, so we didn't deal with them. If Jackson does not want to go to WCE, he will not end up at WCE. It's not that hard to comprehend.

Cerra's preference was to come to Melbourne. That's on the record. If Jackson wants to go to WA, both freo and WCE are in WA the last time I checked. We will push so hard for WCE that it'll be wce. Why go to freo just to play behind Darcy? He'll most likely stay a Deee but if he did go, he'll go to WCE because NicNat will retire soon.

 

[dylan93]

This is being done to death.

If he went to Freo (which is the only WA team he'd be keen on), Freo would have to cough up and big time.

Simple as that.

However, especially if we bag another flag I reckon he'll stay for 3-4 which will take him to FA and then who could blame him if he wanted to go to the club he's spent his life supporting.

 

[s_wd6]

Cerra's preference was to come to Melbourne. That's on the record. If Jackson wants to go to WA, both freo and WCE are in WA the last time I checked. We will push so hard for WCE that it'll be wce. Why go to freo just to play behind Darcy? He'll most likely stay a Deee but if he did go, he'll go to WCE because NicNat will retire soon.

So by your logic, if cerra wanted to go to Vic we have all 8 teams to choose to deal with?? Why would we go with Carlton then if north and Richmond had more to offer?? Oh yeah it's bc cerra WANTED to go there.

 

[Demons09]

Cerra's preference was to come to Melbourne. That's on the record. If Jackson wants to go to WA, both freo and WCE are in WA the last time I checked. We will push so hard for WCE that it'll be wce. Why go to freo just to play behind Darcy? He'll most likely stay a Deee but if he did go, he'll go to WCE because NicNat will retire soon.

Whats the difference between Tim Kelly and Jackson? Kelly wanted WC and he got there.

 

[danster168]

Whats the difference between Tim Kelly and Jackson? Kelly wanted WC and he got there.

whats the difference between jackson and the cerra deal?
maybe in the kelly deal, freo didnt have the trade currency/didn't want him for the price.
The cerra deal is much more applicable. He wanted to come, we had the money but not the draft currency.

 

[s_wd6]

whats the difference between jackson and the cerra deal?
maybe in the kelly deal, freo didnt have the trade currency/didn't want him for the price.
The cerra deal is much more applicable. He wanted to come, we had the money but not the draft currency.

Freo had the draft currency AND the money AND wanted Kelly for that price. But guess what. None of that matters because he DIDN'T WANT TO GO THERE.

Cerra situation they had the money but they weren't prepared to pay the draft currency required so he couldn't nominate them bc they wouldn't have been committed to getting the deal done for that price, whereas Carlton were committed to it.

 

[tonygeeks]

Cerra's preference was to come to Melbourne. That's on the record. If Jackson wants to go to WA, both freo and WCE are in WA the last time I checked. We will push so hard for WCE that it'll be wce. Why go to freo just to play behind Darcy? He'll most likely stay a Deee but if he did go, he'll go to WCE because NicNat will retire soon.

I think you might be underwhelmed at what WC would put on the table , another big trade and no draft for 2 yrs and the supporters will attempt to burn the joint down


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[LeverPuller]

It’s a bit of the Tim Kelly

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19.9

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trades about it. If Jackson nominated WC and they try to walk him through the PSD it’s a risk. There are some key variables there too - if they manage to finish above North then North could swoop. But also, it’s still going to take a very serious offer to get him to go home and potentially leave the club where he is at least a 1x and possibly 2x premiership player.

But if he nominated Freo then on form there is no PSD option, so they have to put a package together. You’d be looking at 2 firsts and change I would suspect given those are in the teens. And if you can’t satisfy Melbourne and try to walk him through the draft there is no way WC don’t swoop. Heck, if I were in WC’s seat in this scenario you would consider using pick 1 on him if you won the spoon; if you were happy to try and give it up for a trade potentially and it locks him in with how good he is, why not?

I think he signs a 2 year deal then re-examines after that though, would have a very good chance to be a multiple premiership player then.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

It’s a bit of the Tim Kelly trades about it. If Jackson nominated WC and they try to walk him through the PSD it’s a risk. There are some key variables there too - if they manage to finish above North then North could swoop. But also, it’s still going to take a very serious offer to get him to go home and potentially leave the club where he is at least a 1x and possibly 2x premiership player.

But if he nominated Freo then on form there is no PSD option, so they have to put a package together. You’d be looking at 2 firsts and change I would suspect given those are in the teens. And if you can’t satisfy Melbourne and try to walk him through the draft there is no way WC don’t swoop. Heck, if I were in WC’s seat in this scenario you would consider using pick 1 on him if you won the spoon; if you were happy to try and give it up for a trade potentially and it locks him in with how good he is, why not?

I think he signs a 2 year deal then re-examines after that though, would have a very good chance to be a multiple premiership player then.

Good post, still don't know why given Freo's list demographic and age that they wouldn't give up at least 2 FRPs change as you said.

The odds of them finding as good or better player in the next couple of drafts with their first round picks would be something like 5 percent or less.

I get Freo have been burnt by trades in the past, but geez, if they want to win their inaugural premiership (and maybe more), they should that deal if they can.

I honestly think Freo are closet to winning a flag than most of their long suffering and cynical fans think tbh

 

[LeverPuller]

Good post, still don't know why given Freo's list demographic and age that they wouldn't give up at least 2 FRPs change as you said.

The odds of them finding as good or better player in the next couple of drafts with their first round picks would be something like 5 percent or less.

I get Freo have been burnt by trades in the past, but geez, if they want to win their inaugural premiership (and maybe more), they should that deal if they can.

I honestly think Freo are closet to winning a flag than most of their long suffering and cynical fans think tbh

That defensive unit on form is every bit as good as Melbourne’s. I believe they’re a key forward away - Taberner and Lobb won’t get it done consistently I believe and if Lobb leaves it’ll leave them short. But if he stays and Jackson comes in it’ll send them close.

I don’t blame them for being bitter. The list is long and particularly in Melbourne’s case they’ve in hindsight lost almost every major trade they’ve made since their inception - famously the Jeff White and Jesse Hogan trades, but Colin Sylvia as a free agent and the loss of Langdon and what he’s become at Melbourne would hurt too. But the future is now, and they’ve certainly got their best shot since the early 2010s.