Traded Luke Jackson [Traded with #44 and #67 to Fremantle for #13, F1 and F2]

[Lampers]

Melbourne cheated the cap to get him.


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Even if true, what on earth does salary cap have to do with Freo getting f*d over?

Freo gave up White (pick 1 three seasons earlier and hadn’t set the world on fire) and pick 22 and received pick 2 and 18 in return.

White didn’t want to stay at Freo, it’s not like he was happy there but got lured by a big cash offer.

Melbourne could’ve walked White through the preseason draft for nothing if they wanted to, but traded instead.

For a well connected guy he sure gives out nuffie vibes if he thinks that’s getting f*d over.

 

[se17enteen]

Even if true, what on earth does salary cap have to do with Freo getting f*d over?

Freo gave up White (pick 1 three seasons earlier and hadn’t set the world on fire) and pick 22 and received pick 2 and 18 in return.

White didn’t want to stay at Freo, it’s not like he was happy there but got lured by a big cash offer.

Melbourne could’ve walked White through the preseason draft for nothing if they wanted to, but traded instead.

For a well connected guy he sure gives out nuffie vibes if he thinks that’s getting f*d over.

If Melbourne did nothing wrong then why was Melbourne forced to hand over its first pick (#5) in the 1999 draft to Freo???


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[Atomboy]

What are you on about? if Jackson wants to leave the Dees and chooses Freo thats where he’ll end up unless you send him to the draft of course and get nothing for him it won’t be a bidding war mate.

Jackson loves the club, is very settled in Melbourne and has recently bought 7 Range Rovers and a Brie and crackers farm.

Very unlikely to leave.

 

[danster168]

I'll preface by staying I think he stays

Good luck getting a team to trade pick 1, Eagles won't do it

It's very unlikely that the pick 1 will be better than Jackson. Let's look at some former pick 1's form the last 13 years: Rowell, Walsh, Weitering, Andrew McGrath, Cam Rayner, Ugle-Hagan, Paddy McCartin, Tom Boyd, Whitfield, Patton, David Swallow, Watts, Tom Scully.

The ones in bold are the ones that Luke Jackson is miles better than. That's 10/13 (77%). So there's a 77% chance that the next pick 1 will be significantly worse than Jackson.
* a little harsh on Ugle-Hagan at this early stage.

The eagles should definitely do it. This is why Melbourne will lose out big time if Jackson goes. We should be asking for 3 first rounders. If Freo want to do it, I'm asking for 3 first rounders.

 

[freo_leo29]

It's very unlikely that the pick 1 will be better than Jackson. Let's look at some former pick 1's form the last 13 years: Rowell, Walsh, Weitering, Andrew McGrath, Cam Rayner, Ugle-Hagan, Paddy McCartin, Tom Boyd, Whitfield, Patton, David Swallow, Watts, Tom Scully.

The ones in bold are the ones that Luke Jackson is miles better than. That's 10/13 (77%). So there's a 77% chance that the next pick 1 will be significantly worse than Jackson.
* a little harsh on Ugle-Hagan at this early stage.

The eagles should definitely do it. This is why Melbourne will lose out big time if Jackson goes. We should be asking for 3 first rounders. If Freo want to do it, I'm asking for 3 first rounders.

Doesn't matter if they should, they won't do it


Ever since Freo did it and ****ed up, the pick hasn't been traded, it just won't happen

 

[danster168]

Doesn't matter if they should, they won't do it


Ever since Freo did it and f’ed up, the pick hasn't been traded, it just won't happen

well it won't happen because they're not allowed to trade it unless another pick comes back. But WCE would definitely be trading it if they want Jackson. It will definitely be on the table.

 

[freo_leo29]

well it won't happen because they're not allowed to trade it unless another pick comes back. But WCE would definitely be trading it if they want Jackson. It will definitely be on the table.

Nup, clubs don't trade the pick 1 anymore

They could get an exemption but they won't trade pick 1


now if they finish second last, then pick 2 would be on the table, as silly as it sounds

 

[danster168]

Nup, clubs don't trade the pick 1 anymore

They could get an exemption but they won't trade pick 1


now if they finish second last, then pick 2 would be on the table, as silly as it sounds

agreed. But there's also been no-one of Jackson age, scope and high on offer for some time.

 

[freo_leo29]

agreed. But there's also been no-one of Jackson age, scope and high on offer for some time.

I mean, Chris Judd couldn't even pry the pick 1 out of Carlton's hands

For whatever reason the pick has become untradeable

 

[danster168]

I mean, Chris Judd couldn't even pry the pick 1 out of Carlton's hands

For whatever reason the pick has become untradeable

yeah, I think it's more pride at the end of the day. no-one wants to be 'that guy' that traded away a pick 1 for a bust. I understand it. lol

 

[sherrif]

Draft points are useful to compare to similar trades which is what I've done

I'd disagree. I think they have no relevance whatsoever in terms of how trades happen. Trading teams look for what they think they need to add to their list and them try and position themselves to get that at the draft. Just like when we traded Pick 8 with pick 28 and a future 4th rounder to Melbourne in 2019. As far as points go it didn't work as we got less points in return but what the trade did was position us so that we could get ahead of potential bids for Henry while we also rated the top 8 highly and so that pick guaranteed us two picks that were likely to bring in quality players.

That's why I think Melbourne will want a trade that gets them a top 5 pick more than two firsts that would be likely to be in the mid teens if our season keeps developing like it is and with a good chance we could improve the year after.

The Cameron trade was far from a one sided trade by the way. Cameron was coming off one of his worst years where he'd kicked 24 gals in 17 games and was 27. Geelong gave up picks 13, 15 and 20 with two second rounders coming back is close to the same value as the Dangerfield trade that involved pick 9 and pick 28 considering that trade involved no second rounders going back and with Dean Gore a player with minimal trade value also included. Dangerfield was coming off a season where he won the best and fairest at Adelaide when he was traded.

 

[sherrif]

well it won't happen because they're not allowed to trade it unless another pick comes back. But WCE would definitely be trading it if they want Jackson. It will definitely be on the table.

It won't as they need mids desperately and have severe salary cap issues.

 

[Lampers]

If Melbourne did nothing wrong then why was Melbourne forced to hand over its first pick (#5) in the 1999 draft to Freo???


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I know Melbourne breached the salary cap so clearly they did something wrong.

But what is “getting f*d over” about receiving pick 2 and 18 for a former #1 pick (who didn’t want to be at Fremantle) along with pick 22?

That seems like a good faith and fair deal, especially when they could’ve got White for free in the pre season draft.

I would agree that walking White into the pre season draft and refusing to trade would be “getting f*d over”, but that isn’t what happened.

Add in the AFL penalty and Fremantle get pick 5 as well, so two top five picks for a player who was always leaving to somewhere in Melbourne, and that’s getting “f*d over”?

Fremantle traded pick 17 to Melbourne for Jeff Farmer who was a star player having kicked 109 goals in his previous 37 games. Thoughts on the fairness and good faith of that deal?

P.S. I’ll always have a soft spot for Freo, dealing pick 6 and 23 for Hogan and 65 resulted in Melbourne getting May and Sparrow. Melbourne don’t win the premiership without May. Ed Langdon for a second rounder helped out too. Three premiership players. Thanks.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

yeah, I think it's more pride at the end of the day. no-one wants to be 'that guy' that traded away a pick 1 for a bust. I understand it. lol

I'd have no problem whatsoever with the club trading pick 1 for Jackson at this stage. Number 1 currently doesn't look like it's projecting as the next Sam Walsh/Matt Rowell which would have me a little more hesitant.

We secure a guaranteed star with the pick and we can secure the elite midfielder with the number 1 picks we'll have in 2023 and 2024.

 

[Northernsoul74]

I'd have no problem whatsoever with the club trading pick 1 for Jackson at this stage. Number 1 currently doesn't look like it's projecting as the next Sam Walsh/Matt Rowell which would have me a little more hesitant.

We secure a guaranteed star with the pick and we can secure the elite midfielder with the number 1 picks we'll have in 2023 and 2024.

Wardlaw is projecting very very well. Ashcroft a gun but Lions bound. Tsatas projects very well to.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

Wardlaw is projecting very very well. Ashcroft a gun but Lions bound. Tsatas projects very well to.

Wardlaw is the one I'm keen on but still haven't heard the same hype as Walsh got across the full year, then there's also risk for us he doesn't want to move to the other side of the country/go-home risk. I don't really think there'll be any risk we can't find a replaceable version of Tsatas with the picks we're going to have over the next couple of years.

It's early days in the year and a pretty big disclaimer but at this stage I think a guaranteed Luke Jackson at 21 over the potential of an 18 year old is worth the sacrifice.

 

[Tulip]

Melbourne cheated the cap to get him.


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Doesn't explain how Freo were ****ed lol. Gutnick himself went to the AFL about the cap.

If Jackson leaves, I'll happily get ****ed with picks 2 and 18.

 

[kane249]

For whatever reason the pick has become untradeable

Well last team to do it was Fremantle when they traded it for Croad (plus the extra picks that went with it).
Was very lopsided in Hawthorns favour

 

[bzparkes]

It won't as they need mids desperately and have severe salary cap issues.

Agree with the first part, not so sure about the second. No younger players are putting themselves up for a pay rise right and and I'm expecting a reasonable cull of seniors at the end of the year.

Really don't want the club making a play for Jackson when its the midfield that's in dire straits.

Just wait a few years until he becomes an RFA and use him as the piece to push for a flag if the rebuild headed that way.

Very much hope he re-signs so WCE don't attempt something stupid.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I'd disagree. I think they have no relevance whatsoever in terms of how trades happen. Trading teams look for what they think they need to add to their list and them try and position themselves to get that at the draft. Just like when we traded Pick 8 with pick 28 and a future 4th rounder to Melbourne in 2019. As far as points go it didn't work as we got less points in return but what the trade did was position us so that we could get ahead of potential bids for Henry while we also rated the top 8 highly and so that pick guaranteed us two picks that were likely to bring in quality players.

That's why I think Melbourne will want a trade that gets them a top 5 pick more than two firsts that would be likely to be in the mid teens if our season keeps developing like it is and with a good chance we could improve the year after.

The Cameron trade was far from a one sided trade by the way. Cameron was coming off one of his worst years where he'd kicked 24 gals in 17 games and was 27. Geelong gave up picks 13, 15 and 20 with two second rounders coming back is close to the same value as the Dangerfield trade that involved pick 9 and pick 28 considering that trade involved no second rounders going back and with Dean Gore a player with minimal trade value also included. Dangerfield was coming off a season where he won the best and fairest at Adelaide when he was traded.

Regardless of Cameron's year before getting traded, that deal was an absolute steal you'd do every single day of the week. The Dangerfield trade is actually another good example of a club getting shafted by what the trading club had to offer for an out of contract player isnt it?

 

[sherrif]

Regardless of Cameron's year before getting traded, that deal was an absolute steal you'd do every single day of the week. The Dangerfield trade is actually another good example of a club getting shafted by what the trading club had to offer for an out of contract player isnt it?

It really, really wasn't. Ask pretty much every Geelong supporter you come across on big footy. They had one of the biggest melts ever when it happened. Cameron was not looking like the superstar he can be for the season and a half before the trade happened. He was a restricted free agent who had his offer matched so it wasn't the same as a player simply swapping clubs via a normal trade. Geelong supporters thought they would gain his services for way less than what they paid for Dangerfield who was in his prime years and on the way up when they got him. Hence how he won the Brownlow Medal his first year at Geelong.

The Dangerfield trade was not actually a steal and it was completely different circumstances. Essentially the trade was a compromised trade due to Adelaide matching the offer Geelong made. The trade basically was Adelaide saying that for Danger to get to Geelong with no complications they had to offer more than the compensation they would receive if he left as a free agent but not his true market value compared to if he wasn't a restricted free agent.

Jackson if he did come would be in a similar situation to Mitch Clark entering the trade period in that yes he might want to get home but he could assess his options again if no trade could be arranged and signing with Melbourne for 2 years would be a real possibility if no trade with Fremantle could be arranged.

It's very unlikely he'd entertain an offer from West Coast in my view as he's got no connections with them currently and obviously they look like going through some lean years. He already knows a heap of Freo players after training with Darcy, Treacy and Acres last preseason and doing his academy time with the club. He also knows Serong and Young from his junior days and Andrew Brayshaw via his brother.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

It really, really wasn't. Ask pretty much every Geelong supporter you come across on big footy. They had one of the biggest melts ever when it happened. Cameron was not looking like the superstar he can be for the season and a half before the trade happened. He was a restricted free agent who had his offer matched so it wasn't the same as a player simply swapping clubs via a normal trade. Geelong supporters thought they would gain his services for way less than what they paid for Dangerfield who was in his prime years and on the way up when they got him. Hence how he won the Brownlow Medal his first year at Geelong.

The Dangerfield trade was not actually a steal and it was completely different circumstances. Essentially the trade was a compromised trade due to Adelaide matching the offer Geelong made. The trade basically was Adelaide saying that for Danger to get to Geelong with no complications they had to offer more than the compensation they would receive if he left as a free agent but not his true market value compared to if he wasn't a restricted free agent.

Jackson if he did come would be in a similar situation to Mitch Clark entering the trade period in that yes he might want to get home but he could assess his options again if no trade could be arranged and signing with Melbourne for 2 years would be a real possibility if no trade with Fremantle could be arranged.

It's very unlikely he'd entertain an offer from West Coast in my view as he's got no connections with them currently and obviously they look like going through some lean years. He already knows a heap of Freo players after training with Darcy, Treacy and Acres last preseason and doing his academy time with the club. He also knows Serong and Young from his junior days and Andrew Brayshaw via his brother.

As you would well know as a beacon of paying more than most are comfortable with, almost all BF supporters expect their player for unders, adding the fact that they thought they'd be getting Cameron for free just adds to their angst. Cameron was a terrific deal, dont care what Geelong supporters think. I guarantee if we got Jackson for what I said, you'd have a lot of Freo posters up in arms about the overpay. Dangerfield was an absolute steal, not sure how you can argue that, regardless of the RFA nature and whatnot.

If Jackson asks to get home, he'll get home IMO. The landscape has changed a lot since the Clark days

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree until we get more info Sherrif, thanks for the good discussion

 

[markm106]

The recent trading history between Melbourne and Freo doesn’t really sound like what happened 25 years ago is still on Peter Bell’s mind. Although if we wrangled picks 2 and 28 for Jackson and 22 we’d take it if he wants out.

 

[tombomb]

Obviously Jackson would have to be cool with it, but if I was West Coast with pick 1 and convinced Jackson to come, id be telling Melbourne that we are taking him in the PSD. End of.

May as well exploit the stupid system when you get the chance. Melbourne weren't shy about doing it when they had the chance.

 

[Tulip]

I mean, Chris Judd couldn't even pry the pick 1 out of Carlton's hands

For whatever reason the pick has become untradeable

If Carlton could take that trade back, they would. Pick 4 and JJK vs Pick 1. Horrid.