List Mgmt. Luke Jackson - Yay or Nay?

[Wizard]

If we are trading for him he needs to promise to do something productive with his bar and facial hair situation.

I think he may be the weirdest looking player in the league and he moves equally strangely. Got some Keplar Bradley characteristics.

 

[Purple_Turtle]

The way I see it there's about two ways to fit Jackson into our forwardline:

1: Two Tall Forwards

FF: Sturt Amiss/Taberner Schultz
HF: Walters Jackson Switkowski
I: Frederick

With two tall forwards the focus moves to our medium and small forwards to provide pressure and create goals. Jackson's role, like Mason Cox

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Mason Cox

Age

33

Ht

211cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.7

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.2

4star

D

6.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.3

2star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.8

5star

, is to take contested marks in the forwardline, bring the ball to ground so our smaller and medium forwards can get to work, take the attention of a KPD and chop out for Darcy in the ruck. (At the price we'll pay we'd obviously want Jackson to produce far more consistently than Cox does.)

The main question mark for me would be whether we'd favour Amiss or Taberner as our KPF. Taberner if fit will probably provide more for us now, but Amiss is the future and has been very promising in his last two games.

2. Three Tall Forwards

FF: Walters Amiss Schultz
HF: Jackson Taberner Switkowski
I: Frederick

In this system Jackson slots in as our third tall forward, and rotates with Darcy into the ruck. With the extra height in our forward-line we'd need all our small and medium forwards to bring the pressure to stop the ball getting walked out by the opposition defense, so we wouldn't have space for players like Sturt.

I have a slight preference for the two tall forward setup. I think it would allow us to make better use of some of the small and medium forwards we have like Sturt and preserves the speed advantage we have over opposition teams, and make the lack of a power forward less obvious. I think Collingwood are the inspiration for this, where their forwardline has lacked a genuine power forward but has had access to an elite group of small and medium forwards in recent years.

 

[Retzlaff]

I think he may be the weirdest looking player in the league and he moves equally strangely. Got some Keplar Bradley characteristics.

This boosts his value to 3 first rounders

 

[Wobbly Punt]

It's a weak sauce but certainly more credible than Hackdorn, Hardie, Barich etc but I was told this morning by someone with loose connections to him that Rory staying here is still very much a possibility. We may need to fit both Lobb & Jackson in to the team. I wonder what that would look like?

In the above Purple Turtle scenarios;
FF: Sturt Amiss/Taberner Lobb
HF: Walters Jackson Switkowski
I: Schultz

or
FF: Walters Amiss Lobb
HF: Jackson Taberner Switkowski
I: Schultz

In both these in my mind Freddy is off the bench and being pushed up the ground to a wing. He seems made for that role if he can increase the tank. He'd a rich man's Langdon if he can build the endurance. More speed, better skills, better hair and in our jumper.

I'll cop heat for this but at some point next year (his first inevitable injury for example) I'd be plonking Treacy in the Tabs role in either of the above scenarios and going with option 1 with Sturt in there. Sturt's game y'day showed what an actual forward can do to a game. Yes a very quiet first half but he was dominant in the second. A couple of missed shots were annoying but I'd rather he be in there adding the x-factor that Noddy does in the guts. Amiss should be starting from here on in too.

 

[Purple_Turtle]

In the above Purple Turtle scenarios;
FF: Sturt Amiss/Taberner Lobb
HF: Walters Jackson Switkowski
I: Schultz

or
FF: Walters Amiss Lobb
HF: Jackson Taberner Switkowski
I: Schultz

I don't think we can play four talls in our forwardline, so we can't have Amiss, Lobb, Jackson and Taberner in the same team.

I think Jackson as a third tall with Lobb and either Taberner or Amiss would work, but we'd need everyone else to provide the pressure so I can't justify having Sturt if the knock is the pressure he's putting on opposition defenders.

Also having small forwards who can lay a significant amount of pressure on the opposition is complementary to having a tall backline with players like Cox, Ryan, Young and Chapman all able to clunk marks and hurt the opposition the other way. I'm not sure having three talls roaming in the forward-line would be our best set-up.

 

[theGav56]

I'm not sure we can plan a structure around Jackson taking marks in the forward line can we? It just isn't a strength. He could be a decoy for Taberner and Amiss perhaps.

 

[freo1]

Biggest Nay every. Cannot fathom why the club would think we need another Ruckman when we already have one of the best young rucks in the comp - who's actually got runs on the board already. Jackson has nothing more than potential. Hasn't proven anything. Big, dumb move coming up if we get him. club destroying kinda dumb move.

 

[Demons09]

Biggest Nay every. Cannot fathom why the club would think we need another Ruckman when we already have one of the best young rucks in the comp - who's actually got runs on the board already. Jackson has nothing more than potential. Hasn't proven anything. Big, dumb move coming up if we get him. club destroying kinda dumb move.

Settle down with the he hyperbole.

 

[Kram]

I haven't even really noticed him when I've watched Melbourne play which shows how much I know.

 

[Sky]

I haven't even really noticed him when I've watched Melbourne play which shows how much I know.

Next step is Aaron Naughton for you. Would look better in purple

 

[Purple Jesus]

If we are trading for him he needs to promise to do something productive with his bar and facial hair situation.

I think he may be the weirdest looking player in the league and he moves equally strangely. Got some Keplar Bradley characteristics.

He looks like Buzz Lightyear

 

[Docker82]

You take talent like this who is from WA when its available, he is young and shown his athletic ability so he can play 75% fwd 25% ruck (he can refine his footy IQ to play forward).

For everyone who doesn't want this trade and we should go for someone else, who else is available?

JVR isn't leaving
Jack Williams hasn't even got a game for WCE
Logan McDonald signed on for Sydney
Georgiades for what you'd pay you may as well front up more for a bigger talent
Naughton doesn't want to leave

There's not many WA born forwards who will come here, and the one who may want to come home and arguably the biggest talent of the lot people seem to have issues with. Im also staying away from signing Eastern states players who are already drafted into the AFL because they seem to head home after 3-4 years.

If we miss this boat we are stuck with a average forward line for another 2-3 years, this years draft is weak and any draftee taken in the years after is going to take years to build up to AFL level, assuming there's a generational KPF we can land.

I don't know why so many on here were so keen on Jack Williams tbh.

In my book he's not much of a prospect due to very poor athleticism. I said last year I wouldn't have been surprised to see him overlooked at the draft altogether. I stand by that statement. Don't want him on our list.

 

[Wabjub]

I don't know why so many on here were so keen on Jack Williams tbh.

In my book he's not much of a prospect due to very poor athleticism. I said last year I wouldn't have been surprised to see him overlooked at the draft altogether. I stand by that statement. Don't want him on our list.

Amiss was the obvious talent, kicked 16.8 in 7 games compared to Williams 15.14 in 17 games. In the end if the talent comes up you take it with both hands and thats my opinion on Jackson.

 

[Docker82]

Amiss was the obvious talent, kicked 16.8 in 7 games compared to Williams 15.14 in 17 games. In the end if the talent comes up you take it with both hands and thats my opinion on Jackson.

I thought Amiss was the best talent of the three WA KPFs from last year by a fair distance. He has elite football ability and above average athleticism. I was confident before we drafted him that he was an elite KPF prospect. He will make it.

JVR is only slightly worse in football ability but quite poor athletically. He’s still quite a natural footballer but I had doubts over whether his athleticism would hold him back from being a top line KPF. He might make it.

Williams simply doesn’t have anywhere near the football ability of either. He’s behind JVR as athletically too. He does have a little extra height compared to the other two but I don’t think it’s nearly enough to make up for his weaknesses. He won’t make it.

 

[Wabjub]

Well according to Ralph talking about it on "On the couch" is that we pitched him a hybrid mid role like Blicavs (mid/wing/fwd) which got his interest.

 

[se17enteen]

Well according to Ralph talking about it on "On the couch" is that we pitched him a hybrid mid role like Blicavs (mid/wing/fwd) which got his interest.

I told you guys he would be a midfielder at Fremantle. .


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[Joao]

I told you guys he would be a midfielder at Fremantle. .


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Ruck/mid/forw/wing you mean.

Sounds like we have NFI how to use him, which isn't surprising given the player he is and the players we have and actually need. He's basically going to be tall James Aish but forward instead of back.

 

[s_wd6]

Ruck/mid/forw/wing you mean.

Sounds like we have NFI how to use him, which isn't surprising given the player he is and the players we have and actually need. He's basically going to be tall James Aish but forward instead of back.

That ruck/mid/fwd/wing description was just Ralph describing Blicavs role.

All he had to say about our pitch to LJ was "hybrid mid"

 

[Descent]

Ruck/mid/forw/wing you mean.

Sounds like we have NFI how to use him, which isn't surprising given the player he is and the players we have and actually need. He's basically going to be tall James Aish but forward instead of back.

Nah, he’s a 200cm Dusty Martin. Start in the middle, sprint up forward and create a mismatch

 

[ilikepotatoes]

Clearly goes in front of Walker and Henry for the half back role right Ralphy?

 

[Joao]

That ruck/mid/fwd/wing description was just Ralph describing Blicavs role.

All he had to say about our pitch to LJ was "hybrid mid"

Well if you're going to take any of Ralph seriously (honestly, everything he said could be bs) then I am not sure how you pick and choose which bits are true.

I'm sure JL has some plan (hopefully), we'll get a look in preseason.

 

[ilikepotatoes]

Ralph still thinks Lobb is worth a second round pick?

Ok

 

[Descent]

Nah, he’s a 200cm Dusty Martin. Start in the middle, sprint up forward and create a mismatch

Obviously I have my tongue firmly in my cheek, but I also desperately want a 200cm Dustin Martin. Would be a cheat code.

 

[Joao]

Ralph still thinks Lobb is worth a second round pick?

Ok

He is. You won't get a first for Lobb at his age. Might get an upgrade.

 

[Cobbler]

How the pitch went down:

Freo ‘We’d like you at Freo’
Jackson ‘I like it in Melbourne… solid group’
Freo ‘What sort of role do you see yourself playing your best football’
Jackson ‘Honestly, I’m just happy to keep developing at Melbourne.’

Freo ‘We see you as a hybrid… play a variety of roles’
Jackson ‘Oh… I think I’m going to keep working on my craft with Maxy. One day I’ll take the number 1 ruck. That excites me’

Freo ‘We already have Darcy and Meek. We can utilise you in so many other ways’
Jackson ‘Yeah… I mean I don’t wish to sound rude, but I’m a loyal type of bloke and see myself as a ruck’

Freo ‘We’d like to pay you $6.3 million over 7 years’
Jackson ‘So… hybrid role you say…’