List Mgmt. Luke Jackson - Yay or Nay?
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It'll be an upgrade, thats what I meant.
I'd be stunned and very disappointed if we let our leading goalkicker go for an outright second round pick.
Apparently he was worth a second round pick last year, and he's worth a lot more after the season he had.
I think a 1st round upgrade + 2nd rounder ~30 is the upper end. If we cave for less than Dogs 2nd we are ****weak.
JL offered him a return to the midfield, and he turned it down to stay in the forward line. His form in the past couple months has been very good. Needs to stay forward.
We’ll start with a first rounder, they’ll start with a second rounder.
It’ll end up being Lobb and pick 13 for pick 11 and 29. It really should be quite a simple trade tbh.
Reckon we start the Jackson bidding at pick 13 and a future 2nd. Pick 11 gets us that small bit closer but not quite there imo. Melbourne will want two first rounders.
I don't reckon we should give it to them. I think I'd hold firm on 11 + 2nd and some Dees favourable swaps.
We got less for Cerra than we paid even though he had 4 years of development. OOC players don't appear to get value so lets not give it to them.
I’m inclined to agree.
that’s a fair level for what he is currently
I know Hogan was our fault, but they did us no favours there either (he was lucky to be worth the pick 23 alone) so I feel very comfortable with bending them over.
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Hoo boy, from the way his GF has been mythologised I was very excited to click on that vid thinking it would assuage a lot of the fears we've all been having.
But was any of that actually all that amazing? Don't get me wrong, it was a decent game from a young tall on the big stage, but the way it's been talked up I was expecting a whole lot of WOW and the only moment that actually gave me that was one mark on the far wing.
You have just finished saying this under Ralph's On The Couch report:
Sounds like we have NFI how to use him, which isn't surprising given the player he is and the players we have and actually need. He's basically going to be tall James Aish but forward instead of back.
That's an unashamed use of Ralph comments to support your own views. Pot. Staggering stuff.
Eh? I am taking all of the Ralph stuff on board (which I admitted could be somewhere between 0 and 100% correct) which means we have told him he is playing everywhere which suggests to me we don't know what we are doing with him as I don't believe he is equally good at every position.
John Ralph does not in anyway form part of my argument against Jackson. If you want to have a crack at that, there are many other posts in here you can try for a gotcha on.
As I said earlier I legit couldn't even remember him when he came up as a possible recruit when I would know most of the Dees players. But I'm kind of the opposite, it's hard not to be impressed by the athleticism and skills of a bloke that's 6ft 6. As long as we don't overpay perfect 2nd ruck that could be a utility around the ground.
Nay.
Sean Darcy plays 70 % time in the ruck currently. How much competitive advantage do we get from having Jackson ruck the other 30% of the time. Sure Jackson or Darcy can play forward a bit but then you're spending top dollar to play a ruck as an okish forward. Lobb or Darcy Cameron are better forwards.
This whole hybrid mid thing comes across as a weak counterargument to the above. Has it ever worked? The only time I can remember was when Matthew Richardson had a great season on the wing before injuring himself.
Luke Jackson is the opposite of a Moneyball pick. He is what I would describe Jackson as a Connolly/Schwab pick. An overhyped player brought in to generate short term excitement m. A "Moneyball" player is someone with perceived flaws or a questionable background who joined the A's on a small contract, but contributed in a big way.
Sean Darcy plays 70 % time in the ruck currently. How much competitive advantage do we get from having Jackson ruck the other 30% of the time. Sure Jackson or Darcy can play forward a bit but then you're spending top dollar to play a ruck as an okish forward. Lobb or Darcy Cameron are better forwards.
This whole hybrid mid thing comes across as a weak counterargument to the above. Has it ever worked? The only time I can remember was when Matthew Richardson had a great season on the wing before injuring himself.
Luke Jackson is the opposite of a Moneyball pick. He is what I would describe Jackson as a Connolly/Schwab pick. An overhyped player brought in to generate short term excitement m. A "Moneyball" player is someone with perceived flaws or a questionable background who joined the A's on a small contract, but contributed in a big way.
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Fair play - who you were referring to then with the comment "sounds like we have NFI how to use him"? Assumed Ralph being under his spiel.
As an aside I think we can all assume the club have plenty of ideas on how they want to use him - but they will remain under wraps for now.
I'll get on board once he gets here and I am curious to see what JL can do with him.
Don't forget that Langdon had consecutive top 5's in the Doig, and then they took him for SFA. We essentially got a future 2nd, which we traded to Port on draft night to get some of the points used on Henry. The future 2nd ended up being pick 38. What an absolute reaming and I want them to get some of their own medicine.
Blicav was best as a KPD. Can definitely see Jackson doing well there.
Well the default feedback for Ralph is **** off so it's probably implied.
There would've been reasonable benefit waiting another couple of years, before making the big play for him. But it seems we've committed fully to getting him.
He makes stuff happen and wins contests. There's plenty to work with, that's for sure.
He makes stuff happen and wins contests. There's plenty to work with, that's for sure.
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Taylor’s been having this dream for some time.
Anyone ever considered that our first-choice onball unit, as great as it is, is not uniformly strong enough or big enough?
I am looking forward to seeing Ras and Johnson in there one day but they are not yet the D9 dozer - the Petracca, Oliver, de Goey type - they need to be.
Brownlow era Fyfe was that guy. That guy with a phenomenal leap to boot. And him strolling through the middle will always help but he’s more banged up than Ava Devine’s arseh*le.
We need a unit in there who doesn’t get strong-armed or sidelined and who doesn’t have a shoulder that’s been operated on more often than Ava’s chest puppies.
Imagine a 6’6” ruck rover.
I don’t need to. I’ve seen it.
Anyone ever considered that our first-choice onball unit, as great as it is, is not uniformly strong enough or big enough?
I am looking forward to seeing Ras and Johnson in there one day but they are not yet the D9 dozer - the Petracca, Oliver, de Goey type - they need to be.
Brownlow era Fyfe was that guy. That guy with a phenomenal leap to boot. And him strolling through the middle will always help but he’s more banged up than Ava Devine’s arseh*le.
We need a unit in there who doesn’t get strong-armed or sidelined and who doesn’t have a shoulder that’s been operated on more often than Ava’s chest puppies.
Imagine a 6’6” ruck rover.
I don’t need to. I’ve seen it.
