Current Major incident at Bondi Junction

[Topkent]

Armed security won't have stopped that. Anyone can go to a aisle in Woolworths stab 10 people and no security in sight. I know tots hassle but if it was tto prevent event like this I'm happy for the little inconvenience.

Are you reading what you're saying? You can literally grab a knife from inside Woolworths and just stab people.

 

[Moonwatcher]

Plenty of mass shooting/murder events in Australia have been committed by non-Muslims.

But yeah, let's automatically shift the blame for this atrocity by implication to a Muslim........

We didn't get an immediate demonisation of white people as one would have expected given it was a non muslim white person. It is natural to ask if it was islamic terrorism in that situation.

 

[Topkent]

Maybe knives only can be bought online and delivered home?

Fine then I'll grab a screw driver from inside the store
You're really not thinking at all

 

[chickenonachain]

Media/police reporting on non white terrorism tends to be misleading due to concerns over racism/bigotry. The question will be asked till a definitive statement on the motive is made.

The question will be asked by people who hate muslims and or are racist

 

[RobboYobbo]

Maybe knives only can be bought online and delivered home?

We need to ban all knives immediately. People can eat and carve meats with their hands. How can we allow this?

 

[jason_recliner]

Fact - the only thing that could have saved lives in this situation is if he was shot dead earlier. Anyone disagree?

Plenty of ways to stop him earlier without using a gun.

 

[ms finch]

Fact - the only thing that could have saved lives in this situation is if he was shot dead earlier. Anyone disagree?

The guys who apprehended Mert Ney with a milk crate beg to differ.

You can bring down someone with a knife with other means. You cannot bring down someone with a gun easily without a gun. If you arm more people in society, rest assured the criminals will have more access to guns, too.

One of the things you are missing in your commentary is that if we had more individuals with guns in society, the perpetrator yesterday likely would have had a gun as well.

 

[jason_recliner]

... we don’t have the gang issues.

Yeah, you're right champ, no gang issues in Australia.

 

[CD Xbow]

The most recent mall shooting in the US claimed the same amount of lives as this incident.

"Our tragedy was lesser than the US cos no guns" rhetoric is such a holier than thou attitude

Why is it holier than thou? It's true.
More guns and lax gun laws means more gun deaths. An incident like this with a gun would most likely result in many more daeths.
It's not an unresonalble point of view and backed up by many events in the USA.

 

[RobboYobbo]

Plenty of ways to stop him earlier without using a gun.

So why didn’t anyone? The bollard failed. Realistically shooting him dead earlier was the only practical option

 

[sherb]

We didn't get an immediate demonisation of white people as one would have expected given it was a non muslim white person. It is natural to ask if it was islamic terrorism in that situation.

Natural for you maybe......

 

[CD Xbow]

Both

Both cases where sadly good guys with guns were too slow. At a minimum shopping centre security guards need to be armed.

No. Just no.

 

[CD Xbow]

Fact - the only thing that could have saved lives in this situation is if he was shot dead earlier. Anyone disagree?

Again no.

 

[Jazny]

We didn't get an immediate demonisation of white people as one would have expected given it was a non muslim white person. It is natural to ask if it was islamic terrorism in that situation.

But when you get the answer, why are you still going on about Islamic terrorism? This incident had nothing to do with muslims. Islamic terrorism is extremely rare here.

 

[CD Xbow]

We need to ban all knives immediately. People can eat and carve meats with their hands. How can we allow this?

You are in the running for the dumbest poster on big footy after a score of posts. Keep it up.

 

[ms finch]

I am absolutely certain the guy with the bollard would have had a nice clean shot at the bastard. And if he was experienced with firearms even more so. And that’s talking a random not a trained guard with firearms training and practice.

That’s so reductionist and ridiculously illogical. You are saying that based on footage of one guy with a bollard, we should arm people so that guy with the bollard could have shot him.

This ignores:

• Bollard guy would not have been the only person with a gun;
• Having multiple random people with guns in this situation dramatically increases the risk of everyone getting shot;
• More guns in society increases the likelihood the perpetrator has a gun.

This has been the experience in the US.

In your scenario, what is more likely to play out is this:

The perpetrator enters with a gun and starts shooting indiscriminately. People cannot confront him easily because he has a gun so bollard guy isn’t even facing him down on the escalator in the first place. Anyone who does have a gun and chooses to act is doing so in chaos and under duress and is likely to shoot someone else with a weapon or, even if they go for the perpetrator, they risk shooting someone in the crossfire.

People can’t help victims because they have to hide. We can end up with a major hostage situation if the perpetrator enters a store full of people while being pursued by the police. Police can’t engage as easily because he has a gun not a knife.

You will more likely end up with dozens more dead than an easy apprehension of the perpetrator.

 

[Cmarsh]

So how do you go about restricting knives like we restricted guns?

 

[Moonwatcher]

why are you still going on about Islamic terrorism?

1. I was responding to the statements being made.
2. From memory I have not claimed nor asked if it was islamic terrorism.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Fact - the only thing that could have saved lives in this situation is if he was shot dead earlier. Anyone disagree?

A couple of guys with golf clubs could have stopped him.

 

[2 eazy]

Are you reading what you're saying? You can literally grab a knife from inside Woolworths and just stab people.

My other comment also stated also stop selling knives in store only online that with metal dectectors at doors will stop this happening again.

 

[Cmarsh]

A couple of guys with golf clubs could have stopped him.

Personally I'd think I would stand a better chance with a gun than a golf club.

 

[Moonwatcher]

My other comment also stated also stop selling knives in store only online that with metal dectectors at doors will stop this happening again.

Knife attacks are rare enough not to resort to metal detectors.

 

[Armitage Shanks]

He reportedly had a history of mental health issues. Wonder if there were any prior risk assessments? Will be some pretty stressed psychiatrists/psychologists/health practitioners this morning I would think.

 

[BFew]

By cesspit you mean Stokes Channel 7?

No. The cesspit that has a very musky smell to it X

 

[ms finch]

Personally I'd think I would stand a better chance with a gun than a golf club.

That’s presuming they have a knife and you have a gun. Once more guns are available more perpetrators will have a gun and more random people with no training will have guns. Shooting a gun accurately and purposefully is not as easy as people think it is, and that is exponentially more the case when people are under duress.

When someone has a knife, people can defend themselves and take them down with things like chairs and bollards and gold clubs. When someone has a gun you have no chance of getting them with something like that.

When Mert Ney went on his rampage with a knife, a group of individuals were able to stop him with chairs and a milk crate. If he or Joel Cauchi had a gun, there is no way people could have even attempted anything like that. And if there were more guns generally, chances are the police officer would not have been able to identify or confront him the way she did, either.