If that’s anything to go by, Carlton are primed for the next 2-3 years.
And Collingwood are much older then people realise..
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If that’s anything to go by, Carlton are primed for the next 2-3 years.
If that’s anything to go by, Carlton are primed for the next 2-3 years.
And Collingwood are much older then people realise..
Totally snuck up on me. Too fixated with the Daicos boys, but yeah: Pendles, Sidebottom, Howe, Elliott etcCollingwood are very old, like the 3rd oldest Premiership side ever behind Geelong and the last Hawks side.
Totally snuck up on me. Too fixated with the Daicos boys, but yeah: Pendles, Sidebottom, Howe, Elliott etc
They’re already in trouble with mcstay going down, don’t have a lot of depth up forward. Will have to rely on mihocek and Cox againIt is the whole list. Under 25 they have Daicos and Quaynor. The rest is poo. Not everyone goes and goes like Pendles or Fletch. Over half their list will start to show a significant decline over the next few years.
Having said that, there is a lot about Collingwood over the last decade that reminds me of Essendon back in the 90s. There is lots of kids who look skinny and a few old fellas holding it together despite losing their athletic edge, they don't look like that impressive set of private school elites, like Carlton and West Coast currently do, Melbourne as well. I won't write them off making a few tweaks looking like a rebuild.
I completely wrote them off when Buckley drafted/traded for nothing but mids and thought last year was a complete fluke (I still think it was and think they were a much better side this year, despite being one of the least dominant premiership sides). So I have learned my lesson while part of this Malthouse-Buckley-Pendlebury era continues, I will not write them off.
nah you’re forgetting billy frampton, he basically won ‘em the final, remember? he completely kept harris andrews out of the game as per the commentary teamThey’re already in trouble with mcstay going down, don’t have a lot of depth up forward. Will have to rely on mihocek and Cox again
Comes down to improvement or if we remain static and injuriesJust to temper everyone's expectations, Squiggles data based approach has us in the bottom 5. You tell me why you think they're wrong and better than any of the 13 teams it rates ahead of us:
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Not really a surprise when you consider they had 14 or so players from the 2018 GF. I think we got sucked in by the poor year in 2021 . They have played and won finals in 5 of the last 6 years. They most likely only have another couple of years with most of the current group and will have to do a Geelong to stay there after that in my view.Totally snuck up on me. Too fixated with the Daicos boys, but yeah: Pendles, Sidebottom, Howe, Elliott etc
Collingwood traditionally regenerate pretty quickly, but pendles and sidebottom will we huge losses. I think people underestimated how big of hole selwood was going to leave at geelong, then were surprised when they dipped.Not really a surprise when you consider they had 14 or so players from the 2018 GF. I think we got sucked in by the poor year in 2021 . They have played and won finals in 5 of the last 6 years. They most likely only have another couple of years with most of the current group and will have to do a Geelong to stay there after that in my view.
And a bit of a premiership hangover for them and injury to Cameron. Agree on Selwood. They covered the actual play output but the leadership was gone at a point they really needed it to counter the drop off.Collingwood traditionally regenerate pretty quickly, but pendles and sidebottom will we huge losses. I think people underestimated how big of hole selwood was going to leave at geelong, then were surprised when they dipped.
Yep I also don’t think a lot would’ve slacked off as much as they did if they were coming back to selwood doing preseason with them over the summerAnd a bit of a premiership hangover for them and injury to Cameron. Agree on Selwood. They covered the actual play output but the leadership was gone at a point they really needed it to counter the drop off.
This honestly means very little. This is still based off of this year, for instance before the season started GWS and Adelaide were below us.Just to temper everyone's expectations, Squiggles data based approach has us in the bottom 5. You tell me why you think they're wrong and better than any of the 13 teams it rates ahead of us:
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What are the axes representing here?Just to temper everyone's expectations, Squiggles data based approach has us in the bottom 5. You tell me why you think they're wrong and better than any of the 13 teams it rates ahead of us:
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Just to temper everyone's expectations, Squiggles data based approach has us in the bottom 5. You tell me why you think they're wrong and better than any of the 13 teams it rates ahead of us:
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Is this Squiggle graph to be believed?Most models had the Houston rockets being terrible this season and they did a similar offseason top up.
The reason is Essendons data may be skewed given a few blowout losses due to points given up off back half turnovers.
Fixing ball usage coming out of HB should propel Essendon up both of those metrics due to this.
It could be blind optimism but it could also be fact I’m not sure which
Is this Squiggle graph to be believed?
I can't think of anyone that predicted Essendon to be top 5 team for half of 2023 and then implode the 2nd half, ending up where we did.
If Essendon ends up bottom 4 in 2024 it would be from a very hard draw, 0 improvement from any players or we face loads of injuries.
Yep I also don’t think a lot would’ve slacked off as much as they did if they were coming back to selwood doing preseason with them over the summer
Is this Squiggle graph to be believed?
I can't think of anyone that predicted Essendon to be top 5 team for half of 2023 and then implode the 2nd half, ending up where we did.
If Essendon ends up bottom 4 in 2024 it would be from a very hard draw, 0 improvement from any players or we face loads of injuries.
I mean I wouldn’t put it past us to show zero improvement and cop a ton of injuries to key playersIs this Squiggle graph to be believed?
I can't think of anyone that predicted Essendon to be top 5 team for half of 2023 and then implode the 2nd half, ending up where we did.
If Essendon ends up bottom 4 in 2024 it would be from a very hard draw, 0 improvement from any players or we face loads of injuries.
Ridley and Setterfield for me going down really took the wind out of our team with no real way to recover. Made for a season death spiral.These turnover issues seem to directly corolate with Ridley being injured. Combined Ridley being back with natural age based progression and there’s a reasonable arguement to be made that the team could be pretty good this season
Essendon had the 5th worst point differential last season and that seems to line up with that graph
(Since point differential is one of the best indicators of team quality)
So it’s accurate in a sense but also could be skewed by a few Blowout losses at the end of the season. Both of which Essendon gave up huge amounts of points via turnover.
These turnover issues seem to directly corolate with Ridley being injured. Combined Ridley being back with natural age based progression and there’s a reasonable arguement to be made that the team could be pretty good this season
Kelly
This is such a meme now.