Malthouse V Buckley

[SwanBet]

So he is great at what?

Are you saying he is the best person waiting to coach, because thats what he is doing. There is no such thing as best in waiting.

As for being the best mid in the last 50 years plenty have been better much better, for one Greg Williams.

Bucks at his best would not have been top 5 in the comp.

You have to be kidding me? What less would i expect from a Carlton Supporter?

Did you watch Nathan Buckley play at all?
Buckley is probably in the top 5 midfielders of the Last 50 years, an absolute champion. To say he wasn't a top 5 player in the comp ever is just insane, are you like 12 years old or something?

7 time All Australian, a Brownlow medal, a norm smith medal, a Rising Star award and 6 Copeland Trohpy's speaks for itself. If he won a premiership he deserved he may well have been seen as one of the greatest ever.

Buckley>>>>>>G.Williams by far.

Buckley>>>>>> C.Judd by far.

 

[BONG RIPS MKII]

7 time All Australian, a Brownlow medal, a norm smith medal, a Rising Star award and 6 Copeland Trohpy's speaks for itself. If he won a premiership he deserved he may well have been seen as one of the greatest ever.

don't cite that joke of a norm

if he deserved a flag he wouldn't have gone missing in the last quarter

Buckley>>>>>>G.Williams by far.

Buckley>>>>>> C.Judd by far.

absolutely no way

incredibly biased call

very overrated

wouldn't be one of the top 10 mids of the last 50

 

[laminex]

You have to be kidding me? What less would i expect from a Carlton Supporter?

Did you watch Nathan Buckley play at all?
Buckley is probably in the top 5 midfielders of the Last 50 years, an absolute champion. To say he wasn't a top 5 player in the comp ever is just insane, are you like 12 years old or something?

7 time All Australian, a Brownlow medal, a norm smith medal, a Rising Star award and 6 Copeland Trohpy's speaks for itself. If he won a premiership he deserved he may well have been seen as one of the greatest ever.

Buckley>>>>>>G.Williams by far.

Buckley>>>>>> C.Judd by far.

Only some one who clearly has such low aims as you, could rate Bucks as anything more that a good player. Greg Williams is in the best 5 of all time mate. He played hard racked up goals won Grand finals. he did it all

oh and so has Judd

Sorry kid but bucks just don't count champ. I know you think 2nd is good enough but it anit

 

[laminex]

don't cite that joke of a norm

if he deserved a flag he wouldn't have gone missing in the last quarter



absolutely no way

incredibly biased call

very overrated

wouldn't be one of the top 10 mids of the last 50

Spot on

 

[SwanBet]

don't cite that joke of a norm

if he deserved a flag he wouldn't have gone missing in the last quarter

absolutely no way

incredibly biased call

very overrated

wouldn't be one of the top 10 mids of the last 50

No he deserved a flag because he was a champion of the game, have you heard the expression? Its sad when you see complete non committal players like Nathan Ablett there with a medallion.

Seriously i don't no why i even bother but if you think Gary Ablett Jnr is a top 10 midfielder on the past 50 years you'd be kidding yourself. Where do you Geelong supporters rate him anyway?

Buckley is a star don't deny it, he dominated football from the get go and thats why i rate him so highly. 13 years of brilliance and consistency. Thats why i rate him so highly, i'm sorry if some of your hate for Buckley and Collingwood get in the way, but if you don't rate him then your just stupid and ignorant.

 

[BONG RIPS MKII]

No he deserved a flag because he was a champion of the game, have you heard the expression? Its sad when you see complete non committal players like Nathan Ablett there with a medallion.

if you win a flag you deserve it

ablett kicked 3 so he definitely deserved it

Seriously i don't no why i even bother but if you think Gary Ablett Jnr is a top 10 midfielder on the past 50 years you'd be kidding yourself. Where do you Geelong supporters rate him anyway?

ablett is definitely top 10 of the last 50, he has been the best player in the afl for 4 years

Buckley is a star don't deny it, he dominated football from the get go and thats why i rate him so highly.

no you rate him because he played for your club

13 years of brilliance and consistency. Thats why i rate him so highly, i'm sorry if some of your hate for Buckley and Collingwood get in the way, but if you don't rate him then your just stupid and ignorant.

try 13 years of handball receives and frontrunning

he was a product of the collingwood hype machine

good player, nothing more

 

[The Fireman]

No he deserved a flag because he was a champion of the game, have you heard the expression? Its sad when you see complete non committal players like Nathan Ablett there with a medallion.

Seriously i don't no why i even bother but if you think Gary Ablett Jnr is a top 10 midfielder on the past 50 years you'd be kidding yourself. Where do you Geelong supporters rate him anyway?

Buckley is a star don't deny it, he dominated football from the get go and thats why i rate him so highly. 13 years of brilliance and consistency. Thats why i rate him so highly, i'm sorry if some of your hate for Buckley and Collingwood get in the way, but if you don't rate him then your just stupid and ignorant.

? I think everyone rated him..in their own way...but Ablett is better.

 

[NOCHANCE]

We've lost to the two best sides from last year and the one of the toughest road trip sides in the competition - who made top six last year. Its hardly the end of the world.

Obviously with three of our best small forwards temporarily out of action (Medhurst Davis and Dick) we've lost a little flexibility and decided to stretch Brisbanes defence by going a bit taller. It didnt work - one side effect of a taller forward line is reduced forward pressure at ground level - and this week its back to the drawing board. Clearly theres no room for both Anthony and Dawes in Collingwood's forward line. While Davis hasnt been in great form due to injury, at least he had a high tackle count.

We sit 7-3 and we'd have taken that at the start of the year. And it needs to be noted we are yet to play Adelaide, Richmond or the Eagles - which the other top four sides have already had the benefit of playing. Freo's played them all.

Hardest road trip between 2001 and 2004 maybe but Brisbane without 4 of there best 10 playing Brown and Fev going at about 50% is hardly a threat. Malthouse had a massive swing at Buckley and Malthouse is hardly trying to hide his annoyance at the situation that Eddies put him in.

 

[NOCHANCE]

No he deserved a flag because he was a champion of the game, have you heard the expression? Its sad when you see complete non committal players like Nathan Ablett there with a medallion.

Seriously i don't no why i even bother but if you think Gary Ablett Jnr is a top 10 midfielder on the past 50 years you'd be kidding yourself. Where do you Geelong supporters rate him anyway?

Buckley is a star don't deny it, he dominated football from the get go and thats why i rate him so highly. 13 years of brilliance and consistency. Thats why i rate him so highly, i'm sorry if some of your hate for Buckley and Collingwood get in the way, but if you don't rate him then your just stupid and ignorant.

Buckleys non commitment to his club cost him three flags!!!

 

[SwanBet]

if you win a flag you deserve it

ablett kicked 3 so he definitely deserved it



ablett is definitely top 10 of the last 50, he has been the best player in the afl for 4 years



no you rate him because he played for your club



try 13 years of handball receives and frontrunning

he was a product of the collingwood hype machine

good player, nothing more

Well my opinion is if your rating Ablett that high, then you have to rate Buckey that high.

Lets not forget Ablett was like a lost man living in his dads shadow for 5 seasons before he stood up. Ablett at the moment is not a top 10 mid of the last 50 years, i dont see why everyone on BigFooty creams themselves over him when he plays a decade of classy football then he will be one of the best of all tim and yes better than Buckley but at the moment he isn't.

Its a little hypocritical to be saying Buckley was a handball recieve machine when your talking up Gary Ablett Jnr

And you say i rate him cause he played for my club, What do you think your doing with Jnr?

Buckey is a champion, not just a good footballer. He carried us to two grandfinals against who i see as the greatest team of all time Brisbane(circa 01-04)

 

[SwanBet]

Sorry kid but bucks just don't count champ. I know you think 2nd is good enough but it anit

Take it you don't rate Gary Ablett Snr?

Yeah my bad, 16th isn't that bad is it Carltank?

 

[BONG RIPS MKII]

Well my opinion is if your rating Ablett that high, then you have to rate Buckey that high.

well, no, i don't, because ablett is simply a better player

Buckey is a champion, not just a good footballer. He carried us to two grandfinals against who i see as the greatest team of all time Brisbane(circa 01-04)

he's not a champion, that word is thrown round far too freely

he was a good player, and that's all

 

[SwanBet]

well, no, i don't, because ablett is simply a better player



he's not a champion, that word is thrown round far too freely

he was a good player, and that's all

Im sorry but what is a champion then? He's been Collingwoods greatest ever player in my opinion. 7 time All Austrlalian, 6 time B&F, Brownlow Medalist, Rising Star and NormSmith. How is he not a champion?

How is Ablett any better? Both received alot of the ball, both racked up huge numbers, Both were fast, Buckley was much more skilled and a better leader and Ablett has more strength and explosion out of packs, very similar, only Buckley did it for over a decade, Ablett for 4 seasons. In those 4 seasons he has been Better than Buckley's best 4 buck unless Ablett plays at an elite level for another 3 seasons ill rate Buckley higher.

 

[laminex]

No he deserved a flag because he was a champion of the game, have you heard the expression? Its sad when you see complete non committal players like Nathan Ablett there with a medallion.

Seriously i don't no why i even bother but if you think Gary Ablett Jnr is a top 10 midfielder on the past 50 years you'd be kidding yourself. Where do you Geelong supporters rate him anyway?

Buckley is a star don't deny it, he dominated football from the get go and thats why i rate him so highly. 13 years of brilliance and consistency. Thats why i rate him so highly, i'm sorry if some of your hate for Buckley and Collingwood get in the way, but if you don't rate him then your just stupid and ignorant.

Sorry i thought you were an adult, Your mother should not allow you on a forum without watching you.

 

[laminex]

Take it you don't rate Gary Ablett Snr?

Yeah my bad, 16th isn't that bad is it Carltank?

16th flag, we already have that mate.

I do rate GASnr i also rate Bucks, i just rate them different to you. Bucks was a handy good player that would walk into any teams best 22 of the time. But he was not and never will be a top 10 or a once in a decade player like GAJ, Judd, Williams, Hird, Cary and many others that most would pick well ahead of Bucks.

 

[SwanBet]

Sorry i thought you were an adult, Your mother should not allow you on a forum without watching you.

Nothing funnier when a 15 yearold tries to cover up that he is a child by trying to attack someone else saying that there a child. Classic

 

[Art Corvelay]

Can someone please include a quote of Malthouse criticising Bucks? I saw him can the forwards in our members email, who were indeed woeful.

Bucks was a handy good player that would walk into any teams best 22 of the time.

Seriously Bay13 is a bit further down Just a handy good player? LOL. Must be the best "handy good" player in history to be spoken about in the same breath as Hird & Vossy.

try 13 years of handball receives and frontrunning

Led the Pies for contest possesions, nice try.

 

[Roby]

He never mentioned Buckley at all, he mentioned the forwards, and so he ought to have. The pressure they put on the opposing defenders was abysmal. He also said the midfield need to get first use of the ball a lot more, should that be interpreted as a public criticism of Mark Neeld? In fact, if any coach criticises the performance of a single line, does it follow therefore, that they are directly insulting the line coach?

In that case I apoligise for making such comments. The thread was brought back up by a poster a comment regarding Malthouse criticising Buckley. Next time I'll have to make sure to check a source before I take what is said on this forum as factual.

In that case, there is nothing to see here. End Thread.

 

[robjude]

Sorry swanbet, cant agree with you that buckley was in the top 5 of the last 50 years. he was a better kick than most. but thats about the only thing that he better than the rest. voss, williams, ablett,judd,skilton,harvey,stewart, are just a few that would be the equal to him and the first 5 better.

 

[loki04]

16th flag, we already have that mate.

I do rate GASnr i also rate Bucks, i just rate them different to you. Bucks was a handy good player that would walk into any teams best 22 of the time. But he was not and never will be a top 10 or a once in a decade player like GAJ, Judd, Williams, Hird, Cary and many others that most would pick well ahead of Bucks.

You are kidding yourself, if we had Buckley on the weekend we wouldn't of lost since he has retired we have 0 players who stand up and take a game by the scruff of the neck something only the champion players do and something Buckley did weekly for us.

Buckley also didn't have the midfield support of Voss, Ablett and Hird who all played in champion teams, also you show you have no idea when you claim Buckley spent his career recieving Hand balls on the outside of packs. He was top 5 in the AFL from 2000 - 2004 for hard ball gets was one of our best clearance mids and basically dominated his position at the time.

He used to burn through 4 taggers a game simply due to work rate, players in the late 90's early double 00's rated him as the best midfielder in the game Crawford said in his speech that everyone knew who the best player in the league was in Buckley when receiving his Brownlow.


FIGJAM and Buckley's persona is why he isn't rated like the overrated golden boy hird who was the media darling and everyone got swept up in it.

 

[loki04]

Sorry swanbet, cant agree with you that buckley was in the top 5 of the last 50 years. he was a better kick than most. but thats about the only thing that he better than the rest. voss, williams, ablett,judd,skilton,harvey,stewart, are just a few that would be the equal to him and the first 5 better.

Lol better at what?

Winning the ball? Buckley used to rack them up and use it better then anyone.

Better mark? no very strong over head, Hird only one who would pip him here.

More versatile? no Buckley has played and won his position at CHB, FF, RR, HBF...

Performed in Finals? Best pie player in all his finals games and Norm smith 02 in a losing side.

Better user? lol don't make me laugh.

Better at winning the contested footy? Buckley is the only one mentioned who has been #1 in the AFL for hardball gets from the listed players, Voss arguably.

The guy was an all round freak, the only one thing the players listed have over Buckley is the teams they played in were superior then the pie sides Buckley carried for over half his career.

 

[Art Corvelay]

You are kidding yourself, if we had Buckley on the weekend we wouldn't of lost since he has retired we have 0 players who stand up and take a game by the scruff of the neck something only the champion players do and something Buckley did weekly for us.

Buckley also didn't have the midfield support of Voss, Ablett and Hird who all played in champion teams, also you show you have no idea when you claim Buckley spent his career recieving Hand balls on the outside of packs. He was top 5 in the AFL from 2000 - 2004 for hard ball gets was one of our best clearance mids and basically dominated his position at the time.

He used to burn through 4 taggers a game simply due to work rate, players in the late 90's early double 00's rated him as the best midfielder in the game Crawford said in his speech that everyone knew who the best player in the league was in Buckley when receiving his Brownlow.


FIGJAM and Buckley's persona is why he isn't rated like the overrated golden boy hird who was the media darling and everyone got swept up in it.

Particularly agree with the part in bold.

 

[robjude]

your last name isn't buckley is it??? burnt of 4 taggers my arse! harvey,ablett,judd and cousins were known for that, not buckley.I think that he was a great player,all time great. but there is a few in front of him.

 

[laminex]

You are kidding yourself, if we had Buckley on the weekend we wouldn't of lost since he has retired we have 0 players who stand up and take a game by the scruff of the neck something only the champion players do and something Buckley did weekly for us.

Buckley also didn't have the midfield support of Voss, Ablett and Hird who all played in champion teams, also you show you have no idea when you claim Buckley spent his career recieving Hand balls on the outside of packs. He was top 5 in the AFL from 2000 - 2004 for hard ball gets was one of our best clearance mids and basically dominated his position at the time.

He used to burn through 4 taggers a game simply due to work rate, players in the late 90's early double 00's rated him as the best midfielder in the game Crawford said in his speech that everyone knew who the best player in the league was in Buckley when receiving his Brownlow.


FIGJAM and Buckley's persona is why he isn't rated like the overrated golden boy hird who was the media darling and everyone got swept up in it.

Hird is a golden boy because he is the best player i have ever seen, he won games he dragged his team across the line. Bucks demanded the ball because he thought and only trusted him self with it, he has admitted to that by the way. Hird was a true champion Bucks sits below the true champs of the last 50 years. I know you need him to be a great of the AFL bit is not, he is a great of Collingwood and that should be enough for you.

 

[laminex]

Lol better at what?

Winning the ball? Buckley used to rack them up and use it better then anyone.

Better mark? no very strong over head, Hird only one who would pip him here.

More versatile? no Buckley has played and won his position at CHB, FF, RR, HBF...

Performed in Finals? Best pie player in all his finals games and Norm smith 02 in a losing side.

Better user? lol don't make me laugh.

Better at winning the contested footy? Buckley is the only one mentioned who has been #1 in the AFL for hardball gets from the listed players, Voss arguably.

The guy was an all round freak, the only one thing the players listed have over Buckley is the teams they played in were superior then the pie sides Buckley carried for over half his career.

Did you ever ask yourself why no collingwood player made into the team of the century?

Buckley is not a Voss or a Hird, He is not even a Williams, Ablett or Judd.

Why do Collingwood supporters think they have the best players. He was good i am not saying he wasn't but he is not great like the other talked about.