Malthouse V Buckley

[loki04]

Who knows..probably the same reason your mob seems to like starting threads about our club.

I think the reason so many think Collingwood underachieve is they get so much advantage, particularly with the draw. Now before you all sceam yes I know thats financially driven and all clubs want to play you at the G and its all our own fault...blah blah. But the fact remains if Adelaide had 16 or 17 games a year at AAMI or WCE had the same at Sooby and we could then play the prelim and granny at home also, we might just have done better over the journey. Not guaranteed of course.

Not if the majority of those games were vs Port (Freo for WC) ie neutral games as both teams reside and play home games in Adelaide (Perth).

We may only travel 4 times a year but how many "Home" game advantages do we get per year vs a interstate side?

 

[Lockyer24]

What? You get 10 home games a year against travelling opposition, we play maybe 3 at best and the rest is against Melbourne teams on neutral ground.

Swings and roundabouts, no one complained we had to play Carlton and Essendon twice when they were powers. Now all the interstate team suck and we miss out on easy wins.

Have a look who we play twice this year, anyone who thinks we have an easy draw is having a laugh.

 

[loki04]

Q1. No. He hasnt outtayed his welcome. But he is nearing retirement age and the Pies have thought of an inventive and progressive succession plan.

Q2. You tell me. Do you think he underachieved in 2002/3 with the likes of Mckee, Kinnear, McGough, J Cloke, Steinfort, Walker, Lonie, Cole, Lokan, R Shaw, Woewoedin, Molloy, Scotland , Betheras, Freeborn and others at his disposal??? The 02/03 GF sides were amongst the worst GF teams of the entire decade. Only a coach of Malthouse's calibre would have got them as far as they made it.

Its taken many years for the list to rebuild and now its as good as its ever been in MAthouse's time as coach.

The 03 side was not a bad side won 16 games for the year and finished 2nd on the H n A ladder, and from 02 -04 the top 8 was very tight with a lot of good teams.

2010 will be the closes year for a good group of top 8 sides where any of 7 could win since 03.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

We relied to the extreme on our best 4-5 players in 02-03. Our last 5-10 was poor to shocking.

Without Buckley, Clement, Burns, Rocca and a couple others on their day (Presti, Wakes, Tarrant, Licuria) we'd have been lucky to have made the top eight.

 

[loki04]

We relied to the extreme on our best 4-5 players in 02-03. Our last 5-10 was poor to shocking.

Without Buckley, Clement, Burns, Rocca and a couple others on their day (Presti, Wakes, Tarrant, Licuria) we'd have been lucky to have made the top eight.

Yes without the top 8 of a teams 22 i'd imagine it would be hard to make the 8.

The team had flaws no doubt but it wasn't a bad team, made back to back GF's lucky teams don't do that and finished 2nd with high amount of wins in season proper and was well entrenched in the top4 in 03. Not a poor side.

 

[W. Smithers]

he's by far the greatest coach in waiting in the league and the best/smartest/diligent midfielder of the last 50 years

For Collingwood

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Yes without the top 8 of a teams 22 i'd imagine it would be hard to make the 8.

We wouldnt have made it without Buckley, let alone anybody else.

It was an outstanding achievement to make consecutive GF's with such a shallow list.

 

[Caj]

Q2. You tell me. Do you think he underachieved in 2002/3 with the likes of Mckee, Kinnear, McGough, J Cloke, Steinfort, Walker, Lonie, Cole, Lokan, R Shaw, Woewoedin, Molloy, Scotland , Betheras, Freeborn and others at his disposal??? The 02/03 GF sides were amongst the worst GF teams of the entire decade. Only a coach of Malthouse's calibre would have got them as far as they made it.

Its taken many years for the list to rebuild and now its as good as its ever been in MAthouse's time as coach.

So its taken him 7 years to rebuild the list to the point where it is the 4th best team and 80 points shy of the premier team in the competition?

Give the guy a payrise

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

So its taken him 7 years to rebuild the list to the point where it is the 4th best team and 80 points shy of the premier team in the competition?

Give the guy a payrise

He has been given notice, actually.

Sydney supporters have no right to talk about rebuilding. It took them 73 years.

 

[NOCHANCE]

Q1. No. He hasnt outtayed his welcome. But he is nearing retirement age and the Pies have thought of an inventive and progressive succession plan.

Q2. You tell me. Do you think he underachieved in 2002/3 with the likes of Mckee, Kinnear, McGough, J Cloke, Steinfort, Walker, Lonie, Cole, Lokan, R Shaw, Woewoedin, Molloy, Scotland , Betheras, Freeborn and others at his disposal??? The 02/03 GF sides were amongst the worst GF teams of the entire decade. Only a coach of Malthouse's calibre would have got them as far as they made it.

Its taken many years for the list to rebuild and now its as good as its ever been in MAthouse's time as coach.

Last time I say it Im not trolling just a general observation, which as weve seen some Collingwood people agree. Second those names you listed who do think drafted and traded for these blokes.

 

[NOCHANCE]

HAHAHAHA Are we supposed to believe you're some famous ex player are we? Just cause you go down and sit your fat arse in Skilled Stadium does not mean you know any more about OUR club.

How many threads have you started about Collingwood?
Do you have some sort of infatuation with our club?

The reality is, is that noone cares what you think anymore because you're a proven troll. I have an opinion regarding the OP and it probably differs to yours but the fact of the matter is, is that you start a thread which you know will incite the black and white masses just for your own enjoyment.

Anything with your name next to it belongs in the Bay!

If its to close to the truth and you dont like it dont read it. For your info I dont go to Geelong games that often but am a member but Im also a member of Melb and Kangas to help out. To many one eyed bias no knowthings at AFL games a hat you well and truly wear.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Last time I say it Im not trolling just a general observation, which as weve seen some Collingwood people agree. Second those names you listed who do think drafted and traded for these blokes.

Malthouse was obviously involved in the recruiting even back then. He inherited a teriible list from Shaw and built it into a good list. And yes he made mistakes.

But I fail to see how the mistakes he made drating/trading in 2002-4 are justification for sacking him in 2010 after he has remedied those list deficiencies and built the list up for another assault and send his team deep into September action four years running.

Its a bit like telling the Dogs that they should sack Eade because he hasnt won a flag as coach and because he made mistakes at the Swans. It doesnt make sense.

 

[Caj]

He has been given notice, actually.

No he was given a 2 year contract extension and then a further 3 year contract to do who knows what

 

[Loco_Pie]

How do you know he's the greatest coach in waiting? A great player does not always transform to a great coach. Tim Watson, Royce Hart or dare I say it Tony Shawbeing good examples.

Leigh Matthews, Paul Roos, Woosha, Bomber, Ron Barassi...........

Thankfully for the other 15 clubs, Collingwood have chose to retain Malthouse for another 2 years

Make that 14 clubs, we've bent the Swannies over for the last 4 years. Best lube up again this year I think
Great coach Roosy, but I'd like to see his head to head record vs "underachieving" Malthouse coached teams. Any idea Cag?

 

[Gavin Excell]

Its been interesting reading some (not all) pie fans jump on any question that is being asked by non Collingwood supporters about the clubs direction under Malthouse.

Its is also a very interesting question that is raised. Do you accept that Malthouse has done all he can out of an average list and applaud his (relative) sucess OR do you hold him responsible that after ten years Pies have not seemingly advanced?

These are all genuine questions.

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

Q1. No. He hasnt outtayed his welcome. But he is nearing retirement age and the Pies have thought of an inventive and progressive succession plan.

What? Wait for an actual innovative and nimble club to get Buckley in the door and on a handshake agreement before panicking and then running around like headless chooks and cobbling together some half-arsed succession plan that is bound to end in tears?

 

[Zeke]

How is is this super thread still open?

 

[NOCHANCE]

What? Wait for an actual innovative and nimble club to get Buckley in the door and on a handshake agreement before panicking and then running around like headless chooks and cobbling together some half-arsed succession plan that is bound to end in tears?

Exactly, Collingwood pannicked and ED couldnt handle losing Buckley good coach or not. Ed has promised a big fish for years but has failed time and time again. Ball is his apparent big scoop, a player dropped mid year for form and not rated in his ex clubs best 18 for 2010.

 

[NOCHANCE]

How is is this super thread still open?

Maybe you should stick to the Collingwood board were you can talk up your list without any counter arguments. Maybe join in the discusion that Sidebottom is better than Ziebel or that Beams and Blight were both rated first round picks and Collingwood were prepared to use pick 11 on either but were wrapt and suprised the 3 players you targeted you got.

 

[Zeke]

No chance.

 

[Gavin Excell]

How is is this super thread still open?

Close everyhting. Shut it down. Nothing to see here.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Exactly, Collingwood pannicked and ED couldnt handle losing Buckley good coach or not. Ed has promised a big fish for years but has failed time and time again. Ball is his apparent big scoop, a player dropped mid year for form and not rated in his ex clubs best 18 for 2010.

Come on lets be frank. Eddie lacked the guts to sack Malthouse.

 

[Gone Critical]

Its been interesting reading some (not all) pie fans jump on any question that is being asked by non Collingwood supporters about the clubs direction under Malthouse.

Its is also a very interesting question that is raised. Do you accept that Malthouse has done all he can out of an average list and applaud his (relative) sucess OR do you hold him responsible that after ten years Pies have not seemingly advanced?

These are all genuine questions.

I think the guenuine answer is MM has had some very good and some ordinary years at Collingwood up to 2006. He got teams to the GF that were not expected to make it. But no flag was won so we ultimately failed. Since 2006 he has built a list that compares favourably to the other good young lists in the AFL.

So the majority of Collingwood people believe the list has advanced significantly in the last few seasons and are prepared to see how MM sees out his tenure before labelling him as failed.

The fundamental difference between those who would condemn MM and those who still believe is whether you see the current list (which he has full responsibility for) as likely to deliver the goods. I believe we have advanced and if a flag comes his position will have been justified.

So we probably have different answers to the question you ask and the answer lies in the future

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

Exactly, Collingwood pannicked and ED couldnt handle losing Buckley good coach or not. Ed has promised a big fish for years but has failed time and time again. Ball is his apparent big scoop, a player dropped mid year for form and not rated in his ex clubs best 18 for 2010.

And is often the way with these things, it looks like after everything that happened, in Brad Scott, we've got an absolute gem anyway.

Bucks may lead Collingwood to five straight flags and Brad might get sacked in June after we lose our first ten games by a combined 1000 points.

But my gut is telling me that Scott's the business and the Malthouse/Buckley succession thing isn't going to go as smoothly as many hope.

 

[NOCHANCE]

I think the guenuine answer is MM has had some very good and some ordinary years at Collingwood up to 2006. He got teams to the GF that were not expected to make it. But no flag was won so we ultimately failed. Since 2006 he has built a list that compares favourably to the other good young lists in the AFL.

So the majority of Collingwood people believe the list has advanced significantly in the last few seasons and are prepared to see how MM sees out his tenure before labelling him as failed.

The fundamental difference between those who would condemn MM and those who still believe is whether you see the current list (which he has full responsibility for) as likely to deliver the goods. I believe we have advanced and if a flag comes his position will have been justified.

So we probably have different answers to the question you ask and the answer lies in the future

See Zeke someone actually discussing the pros and cons of your club and guess what hes a Collingwood supporter. All clubs have faults and weaknesses if you keep your head in the sand it doesnt just go away.