Yeah but 10 such seasons with all the advantages Collingwood has in resources and fixture...
MM has 2 more years and has now topped up - no flag will equal fail without question.
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Yeah but 10 such seasons with all the advantages Collingwood has in resources and fixture...
MM has 2 more years and has now topped up - no flag will equal fail without question.
lol actually it was your mummy that helped me
She fears that with your list it'll be another 50 years of sweet F A
But we didnt win it, and we didnt kick those 2 extra goasl to win 2002 and that is the problem with malthouse, his coaching and game plan is so structured and predictable, he has nothing up his sleeve to take teams in this era that one step further. he is 95% there, but that 5% gap is probably the hardest part to make up. A bit like the 100m sprint at the olympics: yeah you are good enough to be in the best 8, but its that indefinable quality that makes you the very best. malthouse has always been workmanlike, throughout his playing career and now min his coaching and if it wasnt for some inexplicably huge bodies coming out of Perth circa 1992 to 94 ( and you do the maths on why that is) he probably wouldnt have won those either.
malthouse is good but he isnt great and he hasnt got the ability to outthink, out coach the very best these days and he has had 10 years to assemble mediocre lists. Sure he coaches them very well to get as far as they do, but unless you like coming 4th all the time, then really its a shallow claim to say he is a great coach. Great coaches dont go 15 years without landing a flag, they dont get 12 years at a club to produce no flags either.
LOL at the bitter Melbourne troll venting his spleen and daring to comment on a far superior club's coachibg structure. You're views and bias doesn't amount to a hill of beans, spoon-lover. When was your mob's last flag? '64? Begone, Captain Cutlery.lol actually it was your mummy that helped me
She fears that with your list it'll be another 50 years of sweet F A
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advanced? they won their first spoon just before he took over. how is that a genuine question?
Year dot. spoon. 10 years later, regular top 4?
that looks like progression to me
I think the relationship between a captain and coach is much different than the relationship between coach and assistant coach. Even more so that the assistant will BECOME coach. Buckley has alot more vested interested in what Mick does as it ultimately comes back to him in a few years time. No doubt they will disagree on a few things and if they have had such a great relationship as captain/coach lets hope they can work through things when they have a difference of opinion.
Also, the handover is a pretty risky one. Buckley spent his time in the media analysing the game but coaching is much different. Also, I'm not a real believer in that his coaching some U/16's undefeated through a youth carnival is all that impressive. After all, if he had lost a couple of games he wouldn't be under media scrutiny would he? Dissecting every part of his game plan, selections, etc. He will have a fair bit of pressure on him.
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lol actually it was your mummy that helped me
She fears that with your list it'll be another 50 years of sweet F A
Ahh you asked for celestial assistance, should have guessed. Seems she has let her standards slip since moving upstairs
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Agree 100% with what you are saying but didnt want to get caught up in people posting unless you win the flag you fail. Its a cop out to measure flags as the only measure of success.
But as a Collingwood fan I leave myself open to claims of accepting 50 yrs of mediocraty if I put that into a reply. Happy to debate that elsewhere but didnt want to get sidetracked here
All true and obviously the roles are different than ever before.
But the inescapable truth is that these two men have worked with each other for over ten years and know intimately each others personalities. This has to count for a lot. Malthouse would not have agreed to this proposal if he didnt think he couldnt manage it.
I very much doubt this partnership would work with two people who have never worked together before. But considering the long history these two men have, there is every reason to believe that they will manage this arrangement easily.
I would have thought a couple of years learning the caper is a wiser decision than stepping right into the senior role at North. Thats certainly what Buckley has stated publically.
Theres a lot of sides in the game who would have happily hired him on the spot for the senior role had they been in the market for a coach. The universal opinion around the traps is that he'll make a great coach.
If Buckley cant learn the ropes in two years then he'll never make the grade, and a lot of experts will be wrong.
It doesnt matter where we finished, this thread is about Mick and his lack of success in 10 years. Fact is that he has had more chances than any other coach in the modern history of the game and he has been a failure.
Erm, it's 2010 this year, and in 2009 they finished 4th and 80+ points shy of the premier, this is fact.
As for 2007, you might want to check both your maths and your memory
. They were 6 points shy of a grand final appearance, anything can happen on the big day as the Hawks proved in 2008.advanced? they won their first spoon just before he took over. how is that a genuine question?
Year dot. spoon. 10 years later, regular top 4?
that looks like progression to me
There's progression and there's success, they are not the same thing. Ask any player or coach in the AFL their ultimate footballing ambition and I'm pretty sure their response won't be regular finals appearances.
Who finished 4th in 1982? I've got no idea, but I can tell you without blinking that Carlton were premiers. 4th means nothing
The only thing that matters is the current list and the current developmetal stage the club is going through. Collingwood has made the finals four years running and made two PF's, all along the way with a younger and younger list and seeing of the retirement of some legends of the clubs recent past. Any club would be mad to sack a coach on the spot when he's got the list somewhere where it needs to be.
Turning over coaches because of an arbitrary cut-off point in time is pointless and totally lacking in vision. Thats what Richmond does and what StKilda has done in the past. Collingwood should be applauded for thinking outsiode the square. And I'll guarantee that Roos is planning a similar succession at Sydney because he doesnt want a repeat of the Swans previous 73 years of abject failure.
Buckley is the biggest, arrogant w***er in the AFL (apologies to Eddie McGuire & Adrian Anderson)
He reminds me of a Cancer that keeps spreading until it kills you off.
RIP Collingwood Football Club
Poor choice of words
.. Considering what your club prez is going through The only thing keeping your club alive is its name. That will not save it in the long run..
It is your opinion, it does not mean it is facts or that you have any idea what is happening at Collingwood.
MM tenure at Collingwood is the same as Malcolm Blight tenure at Geelong. Overall both are great coaches but have limited success at those clubs.
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a)MM has been a great coach and without him we wouldnt be where we are
b)Why would bucks get rid of some of our best players when they are still playing well (barring medhurst from last season)
c)To rebuild takes a few year malthouse has coached collingwood since the year 2000 where where the year before we finished wooden spooners two years later Grand Finalist a year after that premiership favourites
Now our team is almost complete so if we dont get the cake in the next 2 years then you may say he is a failure but you would be wrong because he taken us from the bottom to grand finalist in the space of 2 year and now we are genuine top 4 team.
b)Why would bucks get rid of some of our best players when they are still playing well (barring medhurst from last season)
c)To rebuild takes a few year malthouse has coached collingwood since the year 2000 where where the year before we finished wooden spooners two years later Grand Finalist a year after that premiership favourites
Now our team is almost complete so if we dont get the cake in the next 2 years then you may say he is a failure but you would be wrong because he taken us from the bottom to grand finalist in the space of 2 year and now we are genuine top 4 team.
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Exactly right we wouldnt be on the verge of a premiership without him.
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I'm not quite that optimistic for you guys, but I guess you guys would know your list as good as anyone. Good on MM!
Good thread NoChance, it has certainly brought out the usual overly defensive but not overly smart comments from the feral brotherhood but I'm sure you'll find that most of them want MM out and Big Bucks in.
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All collingwoods supporters wanted our greatest player to coach us thats a gimee but MM has been a great coach and we certainly didnt want him out.
Blasphemy!!
Nah seriously I agree but that will rub a lot of the MM crowd off side, he has been good for the club in many respects but ultimately 10 years and not 1 flag is a failure to achieve what he was hired to do.
Que the he still has 2 years to achieve it, yes he does and unless he changes his selection policy and game plan we still wont win even with arguably our best list since he has been at the club.
I have no confidence in our current game plan to win a flag, unless Buckley is having a major say/influence I am skeptical.
Top 4 again this year maybe a Gf finish imo, which is what MM coaching ceiling is now days competitive but lacking the "it" factor to really dominate the league.
2 years till Buckley takes over and another 1 to re-train the group, then I think we will see our 1st flag since 1990 in 2013.
But it wont stop me barracking as hard as ever and still hold hope of a flag for 2010, GO PIES!
