Manchester United: Where to next?

[Cruyff14]

Green
Ozil
Sanchez
Auba
Laca
Leno
Saliba
Tierney
Gabriel
Partey
Odegaard
Ben White
Ramsdale
Tomiyasu

Amber
Martinez
Chambers
Welbeck
Cech
El-Neny
Xhaka
Holding
Sokratis
Guendouzi
David Luiz
Martinelli
Cedric
Ceballos
Sambi
Nuno Tavares

Red
Sanogo
Kallstrom
Gabriel Paulista
Ospina
Debuchy
Mustafi
Lucas Perez
Asano
Mkhitaryan
Mavrapanos
Pablo Mari
Lucas Torreira
Lichsteiner
Denis Suarez
Pepe
Runarrsson
Willian

Could probably swap a few around, but I think for the most part it's accurate enough, and I guess how many of those are considered "major" but a lot of them cost at least 10m Euros.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Thought this was interesting.

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This was Carra and GNev on MNF discussing how badly United have recruited since summer 2013. It would be really interesting to put that up against the rest of the teams in the PL to see how other teams have recruited in the same time frame. They removed stuff like 3rd GK signings or youngster who werent brought in as major signings or havent developed yet etc.

United here are going at a strike rate of green signings at 6%. Green and Amber signings at 27% and Red signings at 72%

Yikes. If 72% of all your major signings are shite. Then no wonder United are in a spot of bother.

Post up your own teams Green, Amber and Red signings since 2013. It would be interesting to see how it compares to other clubs over the same time period.

I'd move Cavani to Red and chuck Blind, Sancho and Varane into Amber. No complaints aside from that.

 

[Cruyff14]

I'd move Cavani to Red and chuck Blind, Sancho and Varane into Amber. No complaints aside from that.

Yeah I thought about Varane in the amber. Agree with Blind, he was decent enough. Was Mata really red? I'd have thought maybe amber too.

But has Sancho done much to be in amber?

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Yeah I thought about Varane in the amber. Agree with Blind, he was decent enough. Was Mata really red? I'd have thought maybe amber too.

But has Sancho done much to be in amber?

When you sign a player and then have a system in place that doesn't suit the player, is that the players fault?

 

[Cruyff14]

When you sign a player and then have a system in place that doesn't suit the player, is that the players fault?

No, but that doesn't really answer my question.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

No, but that doesn't really answer my question.

Sancho has played well plenty of times that I have seen him. Both in the stadium and on TV. He is best suited getting in behind the full back and having an overlapping right back to create space. Barely anyone in our team can pick him out with a pass behind and our right backs are shite.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Everyone wants Ronnie gone including Ronnie....except for ****ing Joel Glazer. Apparently it's the recruitment teams fault though...

 

[chef]

Everyone wants Ronnie gone including Ronnie....except for ******* Joel Glazer. Apparently it's the recruitment teams fault though...

You need to work out a way to get the Glazers sanctioned by the Government, seems like your only way out.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

You need to work out a way to get the Glazers sanctioned by the Government, seems like your only way out.

If the FBI actually gave a shit about Epstein then the Glazers would be in jail.

 

[jod23]

Green
Ozil
Sanchez
Auba
Laca
Leno
Saliba
Tierney
Gabriel
Partey
Odegaard
Ben White
Ramsdale
Tomiyasu

Amber
Martinez
Chambers
Welbeck
Cech
El-Neny
Xhaka
Holding
Sokratis
Guendouzi
David Luiz
Martinelli
Cedric
Ceballos
Sambi
Nuno Tavares

Red
Sanogo
Kallstrom
Gabriel Paulista
Ospina
Debuchy
Mustafi
Lucas Perez
Asano
Mkhitaryan
Mavrapanos
Pablo Mari
Lucas Torreira
Lichsteiner
Denis Suarez
Pepe
Runarrsson
Willian

Could probably swap a few around, but I think for the most part it's accurate enough, and I guess how many of those are considered "major" but a lot of them cost at least 10m Euros.

Manchester United
Green - 6%
Amber - 27%
Red - 72%

Arsenal
Green - 28%
Amber - 33%
Red - 37%

That's an interesting take.

 

[jod23]

GREEN
Can
Origi
Gomez
Firmino
Matip
Wijnaldum
Mane
Van Dijk
Salah
Robertson
Fabinho
Alisson
Jota
Thiago
Diaz
Konate

AMBER
Mignolet
Lovren
Lallana
Clyne
Klavan
Oxlade Chamberlain
Keita
Shaqiri
Minamino
Tsimikas

RED
Sakho
Aspas
Moreno
Balotelli
Markovic
Benteke
Ings
Karius


Manchester United
Green - 6%
Amber - 27%
Red - 72%

Arsenal
Green - 28%
Amber - 33%
Red - 37%

Liverpool
Green - 47%
Amber - 29%
Red - 23%

Interesting to note too all the signings that landed in the Red for Liverpool were pre FSG. Since FSG and Edwards/Klopp arrived it's either been Green or Amber.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Green:

Eriksen
Davies
Alli
Dier
Son
Alderweireld
Trippier
Sanchez
Moura
Sessegnon
Hojbjerg
Kulusevski
Bentancur


Amber:

Capoue
Chadli
Vorm
Sissoko
Wanyama
Aurier
Llorente
Gazzaniga
Bergwijn
Reguilon
Royal

Red:

Soldado
Paulinho
Chiriches
Fazio
Stambouli
Yedlin
N'jie
Wimmer
Janssen
N'Koudou
Lo Celso
Ndombele
Hart
Rodon
Doherty

Any loanee that we didn't take up and then purchase isn't considered "major". Sarr and Gil from last season are left off as they are young and being loaned for development. All signings this season are ungraded.

 

[jod23]

Manchester United
Green - 6%
Amber - 27%
Red - 72%

Arsenal
Green - 28%
Amber - 33%
Red - 37%

Liverpool
Green - 47%
Amber - 29%
Red - 23%

Tottenham
Green - 33%
Amber - 28%
Red - 38%

These figures are quite damning for United.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Manchester United
Green - 6%
Amber - 27%
Red - 72%

Arsenal
Green - 28%
Amber - 33%
Red - 37%

Liverpool
Green - 47%
Amber - 29%
Red - 23%

Tottenham
Green - 33%
Amber - 28%
Red - 38%

These figures are quite damning for United.

They may be a touch different if not done by fans

 

[UnitedWarrior93]

Thought this was interesting.

View attachment 1479730

This was Carra and GNev on MNF discussing how badly United have recruited since summer 2013. It would be really interesting to put that up against the rest of the teams in the PL to see how other teams have recruited in the same time frame. They removed stuff like 3rd GK signings or youngster who werent brought in as major signings or havent developed yet etc.

United here are going at a strike rate of green signings at 6%. Green and Amber signings at 27% and Red signings at 72%

Yikes. If 72% of all your major signings are shite. Then no wonder United are in a spot of bother.

Post up your own teams Green, Amber and Red signings since 2013. It would be interesting to see how it compares to other clubs over the same time period.

How Neville & Carragher agreed to have Ronaldo & Maguire both in amber is incredible, English bias right there for you.

 

[jod23]

They may be a touch different if not done by fans

I mean end of the day, GNev and Carra are just fans too.

What would you change from the Liverpool, Arsenal or Spurs fan made lists?

 

[Bradesmaen]

They may be a touch different if not done by fans

Especially when he puts Origi as green and Diaz/Konate who have played 5 mins as green.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

I mean end of the day, GNev and Carra are just fans too.

What would you change from the Liverpool, Arsenal or Spurs fan made lists?

GREEN
Gomez
Firmino
Wijnaldum
Mane
Van Dijk
Salah
Robertson
Fabinho
Alisson
Jota
Diaz
AMBER
Origi
Konate
Thiago
Oxlade Chamberlain
Keita
Minamino
Tsimikas
Matip
RED
Sakho
Aspas
Moreno
Balotelli
Markovic
Benteke
Ings
Karius
Mignolet
Lovren
Lallana
Clyne
Klavan
Can
Shaqiri

Generally if blokes have just turned up I wouldn't put them straight into the Green category personally, I'd have them in Amber. Let them play a few seasons first. Guys who weren't good enough and you have sold go to red like Clyne/Klavan/Lolvren, etc.

People compiling these lists are going to be naturally biased about their players. It is not a criticism, it's human nature. Almost all the players in Cruyff's Amber list are dogshit and should be in red. Half of his Green should be in Amber. I'd move 5 of Art's Green list to Amber because they either aren't very good or have just turned up so it's too early to tell. I'd move most of his Amber to Red too.

This stuff is all subjective but in my mind Green = Good players. Amber = Not sure if good enough / Just arrived. Red = Dogshit/Requires upgrade/Sold.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Generally if blokes have just turned up I wouldn't put them straight into the Green category personally, I'd have them in Amber. Let them play a few seasons first. Guys who weren't good enough and you have sold go to red like Clyne/Klavan/Lolvren, etc.

People compiling these lists are going to be naturally biased about their players. It is not a criticism, it's human nature. Almost all the players in Cruyff's Amber list are dogshit and should be in red. Half of his Green should be in Amber. I'd move 5 of Art's Green list to Amber because they either aren't very good or have just turned up so it's too early to tell. I'd move most of his Amber to Red too.

This stuff is all subjective but in my mind Green = Good players. Amber = Not sure if good enough / Just arrived. Red = Dogshit/Requires upgrade/Sold.

Everton:

Green:

Amber:

Red:

 

[moomba]

GREEN
Sterling
Delph
DeBruyne
Gundogan
Zinchenko
Jesus
Stones
Bernardo
Ederson
Walker
Laporte
Mahrez
Rodri
Cancelo
Dias
Carson
Lampard
Fernandinho

AMBER
Navas
Negredo
Demichelis
Caballero
Otamendi
Nolito
Sane
Steffen
Torres
Ake
Grealish
Alvarez
Haaland
Ortega
Phillips
Gomez


RED
Jovetic
Fernando
Sagna
Mangala
Bony
Bravo
Danilo
Mendy
Angelino

18 green, 16 Amber, 9 red - edit after seeing a couple I missed.

 

[Magma]

green
fernandinho
caballero
lampard
sterling
otamendi
kdb
gundogan
zinchenko
sane
stones
jesus
bernardo
ederson
walker
laporte
mahrez
rodri
cancelo
dias

amber
jesus navas
demichellis
sagna
delph
danilo
angelino
ake
torres
grealish

red
negredo
jovetic
mangala
bony
roberts
nolito
moreno
bravo
mendy
steffen

didnt bother to include a lot of the cfg signings who are just bought for loaning out/selling at a profit purchases because they probably all just go in amber.

 

[CURVE]

There's so much wrong with the club and I am sure fans on here will be able to speak more about it, but from the outside looking in, it looks absolutely horrific.

Recruitment has been shocking, McFred - as we all know - is an awful midfield duo. The defence isn't up to it. Ronaldo signing was a mistake.

There's no confidence, no belief. There's no unity, there's no fighting spirit.

The owners, the board etc are captaining a sinking ship and it seems to be taking more and more water on weekly at an alarming rate.

Spending a billion pounds hasn't worked. Club is obviously screaming out for a sporting director too.

Too many questions, and not nearly enough answers.

I would love to see Manchester United play FC United of Manchester in a Northern Premier League derby.

It's about as likely as Carlisle United winning the Premier League, but one can dream.

 

[jod23]

Especially when he puts Origi as green and Diaz/Konate who have played 5 mins as green.

All three are obviously green. Konate and Diaz are boss and Origi was with us for 7 years played 175 times for us and scored 41 goals including the sealer in the CL final.

 

[jod23]

Generally if blokes have just turned up I wouldn't put them straight into the Green category personally, I'd have them in Amber. Let them play a few seasons first. Guys who weren't good enough and you have sold go to red like Clyne/Klavan/Lolvren, etc.

People compiling these lists are going to be naturally biased about their players. It is not a criticism, it's human nature. Almost all the players in Cruyff's Amber list are dogshit and should be in red. Half of his Green should be in Amber. I'd move 5 of Art's Green list to Amber because they either aren't very good or have just turned up so it's too early to tell. I'd move most of his Amber to Red too.

This stuff is all subjective but in my mind Green = Good players. Amber = Not sure if good enough / Just arrived. Red = Dogshit/Requires upgrade/Sold.

I think your ratings are way off. I was thinking Green = home run. Amber = decent signing, good service. Red = shite, failed signing.

Hence Clyne, Klavan and Lovren all being in the Amber category before being moved on.

 

[jod23]

Manchester United
Green - 6%
Amber - 27%
Red - 72%

Arsenal
Green - 28%
Amber - 33%
Red - 37%

Liverpool
Green - 47%
Amber - 29%
Red - 23%

Tottenham
Green - 33%
Amber - 28%
Red - 38%

Manchester City
Green - 41%
Amber - 34%
Red - 23%