Masten Off To A Flyer

[GoldenSky]

I just dont think shooting down confidence and mild arrogance is a good thing when a kid has talent.

How about we forget football for one second, and talk about the fact that you can't punch and assault people, whether they fall on you or not? What he did goes against the set societal standards. We don't need more arrogant, drunk little yobbos like Masten in Perth bashing people up because they feel strong and pumped after a day at the gym.

 

[clarkoscluster]

Re: Eagles Masten will be charged by cops

sauce?

Tomato please

 

[Spook]

Listen here mate. This is an internet forum so i dont know why your talking about taking us on 1 on 1. Its not like we can have a fist fight and im pretty sure our mates dont start the fights, We only step in his someone else started them.

Stepping in to STOP a fight is grabbing the bloke in a Nelson, Half Nelson or Bear Hug Pulling him away and chilling things out. Not grabbing him by the throat and threating him back and escalating the fight.
There is a big difference justifying belting someone because they were belting my mate and stopping them from belting your mate. Big Big difference.
You kids may have to learn as you get older you wont be out with a bunch of mates you will be out with your girlfriend/wife/kids and how you handle your self once you have out grown your testosterone spurt will determine what sort of a MAN you are. I am sure in your school yard its tough to step in for your mate but when you grow up and become men you will realise that getting belted one on one is allot better than needing 5 blokes to fight your fight for you.... trust me it has happened to me when working as a contractor up North years ago.

You gain more respect losing one on one than winning 3 on 1. Call me old fashioned but at least I know I am not a coward.

 

[Malceski09]

Re: Eagles Masten will be charged by cops

sauce?

Tarte sauce sounds good please

 

[Willow_2000]

I'm an old fart and have done my time at very dodgy entertainment venues, but the main thing I learnt was to always keep an eye on your friends and look after them.

If a friend got in a confrontational situation, we would always step in, calm the situation down and escort our friend away. Pretty simple to do and no one gets hurt.

It appears that some of our youths think that it is best to thump someone rather than take a "step back" and walk away. Note how many people are dying from one punch and then hitting their head on the cement ?.

Yeh im with you he probabley could of talked down the situation they were in, i would do the same at first but then if the guy turns violent towards me then the guns will come out. You cant blaim a guy for defending himself and spooks it wasnt Masten who grabbed the guy by the throat it was reported that the guy grabbed Mastens mate by the throat and thats when Masten thumped him.

 

[Crimson King]

His claims are being investigated, and the police will assist the Eagles. If what he said is true, then he will cop a talking to from the leadership group, if it was his fault suspension and a fine is looming.

Wait till the full story comes out first. We dont know what happened.

 

[Spook]

Serious question to Willow_2000 and Jafa. How old are you guys. This is not a snide question but so I get a better understanding of you attitudes to 'Stepping in' please answer honestly

 

[Spook]

You cant blaim a guy for defending himself and spooks it wasnt Masten who grabbed the guy by the throat it was reported that the guy grabbed Mastens mate by the throat and thats when Masten thumped him.

OK sorry, I got it wrong. As you say it was reported that Masten thumped a bloke who grabbed his mate by the throat? So basically Masten blind sided him and thats is why he was restrained by the police.

Third person in should only chill things out, if he hit someone that was not threating himself then he is in the shit. Why can't you guys get it. Defense of others is only what you see on American police/lawyer shows.

 

[Willow_2000]

Serious question to Willow_2000 and Jafa. How old are you guys. This is not a snide question but so I get a better understanding of you attitudes to 'Stepping in' please answer honestly

Same age as Masten, 18. So this probabley answers your question about gaining a different view of things as i grow up and i believe you are right in that sense.

 

[tin can sam]

It's nothing.

agreed.

Dick heads tried to fight him, it happens.

 

[Spook]

Same age as Masten, 18. So this probabley answers your question about gaining a different view of things as i grow up and i believe you are right in that sense.

As a recognized person in society, as all WA AFL footballers, he would have been allot better served by yelling out to the guys:
"to stop carrying on like idiots, settle down, and say we are all here for a good time, chill out FFS" then told his mate to "come on champ lets get out of here before we get in the shit"

OK you might say that 18 year olds dont often show this sort of maturity by guys like Masten have all the training and counseling to how to handle these situations and THEY ARE PAID to react the correct way. Sponsorship money makes up most of the AFL and the individual teams income that is paid out to players, the rest comes from your pocket as a member. So when they sign their contract they also sign onto a Code of Conduct that the are contracted to abide by. Hitting a guy who grabs your mate (not saying who started it but I doubt this bloke just grabbed him out of the blue for nothing at all), getting apprehended by Police, Getting handcuffed, getting charged (by summons) for disorderly conduct is not good. I am still amazed how some WCE supporters still try to justify they players misdemeanors all the time and blame the Victorian media.

PS Lee just got Laxman. India 4 for 154 in front

 

[Jafa]

Serious question to Willow_2000 and Jafa. How old are you guys. This is not a snide question but so I get a better understanding of you attitudes to 'Stepping in' please answer honestly

I`m 38. My "Stepping in attitude" simply extends to not allowing things to get out of hand. It has nothing to do with ganging up on people.

If a fights fair so be it (and this has to include both parties desire to be involved). Unfortunately nowadays - it tends not to go that way.

 

[Spook]

agreed.

Dick heads tried to fight him, it happens.

No mate that not what happened. Masten mate had argy bargy with someone else and Masten decked him.

 

[Spook]

I`m 38. My "Stepping in attitude" simply extends to not allowing things to get out of hand. It has nothing to do with ganging up on people.

If a fights fair so be it (and this has to include both parties desire to be involved). Unfortunately nowadays - it tends not to go that way.

So if its a fair fight you don't step in a and help your mate. So you are saying that Mastens mate was not in a fair fight? That Mastens mate was just standing there doing nothing and this bloke grabbed him by the throat? OK if thats the case then why cant his mate walk away?

 

[burto]

Re: Eagles Masten will be charged by cops

So umm, you were saying that he was going to be charged, right?...

What's wrong with ravers?

 

[Jafa]

No mate that not what happened. Masten mate had argy bargy with someone else and Masten decked him.

So is that how it went down or is that just the general consensus on Bigfooty.

 

[Spook]

So is that how it went down or is that just the general consensus on Bigfooty.

Police said "Masten allegedly punched a man who fell to the ground."

 

[Jafa]

So if its a fair fight you don't step in a and help your mate. So you are saying that Mastens mate was not in a fair fight? That Mastens mate was just standing there doing nothing and this bloke grabbed him by the throat? OK if thats the case then why cant his mate walk away?

I don`t know what happened - I wasn`t there. Reading this thread - I`m not sure anyone else knows what happened either.

And to answer the first bit. It`s simple. When you go out - you don`t go out to cause or get into trouble (obviously some do). Now if some pissed idiot thinks it might be fun to arc up on a mate who has no desire to play - then sure, I would have zero problems "Stepping in". However - if my mates up for some Argy Bargy - then play on.

This is really a discussion for the General Discussion board - not the main board.

 

[Jafa]

Police said "Masten allegedly punched a man who fell to the ground."

I was refering to one of Mastens mates being involved. I havn`t seen that anywhere else other than in here.

 

[Carn the Coasters]

OK sorry, I got it wrong. As you say it was reported that Masten thumped a bloke who grabbed his mate by the throat? So basically Masten blind sided him and thats is why he was restrained by the police.

Third person in should only chill things out, if he hit someone that was not threating himself then he is in the shit. Why can't you guys get it. Defense of others is only what you see on American police/lawyer shows.

Um, no its not. Get a clue before acting like you know everything.

 

[Spook]

Um, no its not. Get a clue before acting like you know everything.

OK smart asse. Show me were in the WA Criminal act it is OK to hit someone because he grabbed someone else by the throat. I think you will find that both acts are called common assault. In this case the police didn't think it was serious enough to charge him with assault but they have stated that they are going to charge him by summons with 'Disorderly Conduct"

Maybe you should get a clue, another WCE supporter trying to justify bad behavior.

(Not saying all WCE supporters are like this)

 

[Spook]

Lets relate this to Footy. If Glass and Hall are having argy bargy and Hall grabs Glass by the throat (yes it should be a free) and Hunter comes in a belts Hall one in the head, do you guys think this is all OK because he had my mate by the throat?..... No its not, thats why he would get weeks. If he came in a tried to defuse it a pull them apart and pull Glass out then he wouldn't even be charge with being involved in a mellee.

 

[campbell]

So whats the penalty for disorderly conduct, a fine or what?

Does he get an AFL penalty under the code of conduct?, and do WC do anything as well.

Hope the guy learns from this.

 

[SJT76]

OK smart asse. Show me were in the WA Criminal act it is OK to hit someone because he grabbed someone else by the throat. I think you will find that both acts are called common assault. In this case the police didn't think it was serious enough to charge him with assault but they have stated that they are going to charge him by summons with 'Disorderly Conduct"

Maybe you should get a clue, another WCE supporter trying to justify bad behavior.

(Not saying all WCE supporters are like this)

2 minutes on Google, and voila:

CRIMINAL CODE - SECT 250

Aiding in self-defence
250 . Aiding in self-defence
In any case in which it is lawful for any person to use force of any degree for the purpose of defending himself against an assault, it is lawful for any other person acting in good faith in his aid to use a like degree of force for the purpose of defending such first-mentioned person.

It's always been allowed to step in defend others. C'mon, if your GF/wife is being attacked, you can't step in and defend her, cos you'd be "third man in"?

However, whether or not the force is lawful depends very much on the circumstances.

 

[Carn the Coasters]

OK smart asse. Show me were in the WA Criminal act it is OK to hit someone because he grabbed someone else by the throat. I think you will find that both acts are called common assault. In this case the police didn't think it was serious enough to charge him with assault but they have stated that they are going to charge him by summons with 'Disorderly Conduct"

Maybe you should get a clue, another WCE supporter trying to justify bad behavior.

(Not saying all WCE supporters are like this)

OK I will show you:

Section 250: "Aiding in self-defence"

In any case in which it is lawful for any person to use force of any degree for the purpose of defending himself against an assault, it is lawful for any other person acting in good faith in his aid to use a like degree of force for the purpose of defending such first-mentioned person.