masten what's his future?

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didnt even get close to addressing quinz's post

I more that answered the question. It was did i think he should have been traded 12 months agowhen he was aparently on fire. Did you not read my post, do you answer questions for others?

Put your glasses on.
 
staring positions mean jack **** these days.
Just coz he starts in the forward line doesnt mean his role is a forward.
He starts in the forward line then pushes through the midfield creating space for the likes of kennedy an lecras etc.
How often do u see 6 forwards standing round the forward line once play is back underway?
Not very often coz mastens job is to push higher up the ground an get involved.

If hes not getting many touches its coz hes getting in the wrong spots or not working hard enough.

Our young guy Fyfe starts in the forward line then pushes up into midfield an has had quite a few high posession games plying the role it looks like the eagles are trying to do with Masten.
An Fyfe is a skinny little twig that makes Notte look like a tank.
 
staring positions mean jack **** these days.
Just coz he starts in the forward line doesnt mean his role is a forward.
He starts in the forward line then pushes through the midfield creating space for the likes of kennedy an lecras etc.
How often do u see 6 forwards standing round the forward line once play is back underway?
Not very often coz mastens job is to push higher up the ground an get involved.

If hes not getting many touches its coz hes getting in the wrong spots or not working hard enough.

Our young guy Fyfe starts in the forward line then pushes up into midfield an has had quite a few high posession games plying the role it looks like the eagles are trying to do with Masten.
An Fyfe is a skinny little twig that makes Notte look like a tank.
Fyfe is wayyyy more strongly built than Notte.
 

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Terry Wallace tried this at Richmond. Enough said?

Deledio would be on the same level as Griffen/Cooney if he wasn't "developing his all round game" for 3 years off the HBF and then the HFF.

It's a losing player development strategy and we have basically wasted 12 months in Masten's development because of it.

I don't agree with it either...
 
I don't agree with it either...

It comes down to his natural game and physical attributes. He's a short arse and he plays a short mans game, he doesn't have a great vertical leap or a great mark.

Goal awarness is not a strength, not is his agility, at full fitness he's certainly got a little zip.

His natural running power is elite and once he gets of thos quick hands he runs very hard to make position.

Putting Mastens back to goal will destroy him.
 
Terry Wallace tried this at Richmond. Enough said?

Deledio would be on the same level as Griffen/Cooney if he wasn't "developing his all round game" for 3 years off the HBF and then the HFF.

It's a losing player development strategy and we have basically wasted 12 months in Masten's development because of it.

Didn't Pagan hamper Bryce Gibb's development by playing him in backline when he started too?
 
it is frustrating to think masten was drafted with our 3rd pick when you see his performance out on the field i dont think he has improved at all whether this is due to injuries,poor coaching or the fact that he is just not that good i dont know.maybe down the track he will prove us all wrong and develop like luke hodge has remember he was drafted before juddy and alot of people bagged hawthorn for that.we can only hope he could be half the player hodge is(maybe im just living in dream world:))
 
Basically every WC fan needs to take a deep breath and step back. He wasnt that bad last night, yes he needs more intensity and probably fitness so he can play midfield but I thought he did some quite clever stuff last night. He's very low on confidence (I wonder why with so many supporters backing him) and injuries not only impacted him through the majority of the season but also his preseason aswell.

If I didnt know better I would say that OP is a troll because that recruiting him because he is 'family' line is classive Freo troll material. Its completely untrue because he is not related to Woodhouse in the slightest.

Masten's draft was a very weak one. West Coast were desperate to get their hands on pick 2 for Cotchin but it didnt fall that way. Take a look at the next selections after Masten;
- Pick 4. Cale Morton: Struggling for Melb, was dropped 2 weeks ago.
- Pick 5. Jarrod Grant: Mental case skinny forward who has only played 5? games. Yay.
- Pick 6. David Myers: Cant get a game for Essendon.
- Pick 7. Palmer: Basically a clone of Masten.
- Pick 8. Lachan Henderson: Plodder KPP.
- Pick 9. Ben McEvoy: Dinisaur ruck.
- Pick 10. Dangerfield: this is the one pick after Masten that would be preferred but he was considered abit of a reach at pick 10, if you took him at pick 3 then you would have been laughed out of town. He was a high'ish risk pick that came off but he was a half back flanker who averaged 15 touches at TAC level. Every chance he would have been a dud. Well done to Crows though.
- Pick 11. Patrick Vespremi. No done anything for Swans.
- Pick 11. Rioli: he would have left after 2yrs. The Crows wanted to draft him badly but in the end they had to overlook him because he basically told them he would not be able to play out of Melbourne. Once again, if you took him at pick 3 you would have been laughed out of town. He was talented but had very few runs on the board and a chance he wouldnt even last 2yrs in the West.

So I would love any fan whining about Masten to point out who they would have taken in that draft. As I said, if you did take Rioli it wouldnt have worked and Dangerfield would have been a massive risk as many though he would go 12-30 and nowhere near top 3.

While we are on it, take a look at the draft afte Ebert. Same thing. West Coast were just unlucky that this extremely weak draft fell on the year that you lost Judd. There is very little talent at all in the top 40.

Jarrad Grant.
Sorry but Grant is ten times the player Masten is at the moment even with a skinnier body. Grant has also had a fair share of injuries (Osteitis Pubis, foot injury due to being stung by a stingray) that has impeded his development. He has now cemented his spot in our 22 and is an integral part of our structure as he provides support for our other forwards as mentioned by Rocket. He is a nightmare matchup as he is tall, ultra quick, and has one of the best hands both in the air and at ground level down at the kennel. Considering he is only 21, once he fills up, i'm confident he can be a superstar.
 
Masten has been disappointing. But i do remember Woodhouse saying in an interview just before that draft when they were still trying to haggle for pick 1 from Carlton that in their opinion Cotchin was the only genuine high quality midfielder available in that year and they knew Richmond would take him at pick 2. I don't think it's fair to call the Masten selection an error of judgement or bungle from the recruiters. They knew the draft was thin and had to just pick the best from a bad bunch.
 
The only chance I see for Masten is that he gets super fit and gets on the ball and becomes one of thoses zip around players that seem to be everywhere.
They are sort null and void at the moment because of all the rotations but maybe if interchanges become capped he might come into his own.
Needs to be in a position where he can just go and go and not think too much.
Is going to stuff up a bit so needs to get plenty of it.
 

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Gibbs and Murphy didnt have to contend with OP, and 2 knee injuries.... And Masten has had fantastic games...How quickly people forget?
 
Gibbs and Murphy didnt have to contend with OP, and 2 knee injuries.... And Masten has had fantastic games...How quickly people forget?

I'm not sold on Masten at all, but he is apparently contracted to 2013 so one way or another, we will all have to be patient with him. Earlier on this year he played some really crap games and then turned it on in the Derby before getting injured. Hopefully he can repeat that minus the injury.
 
Does no1 remember the 5 or so odd games in a row he was averaging over 25 disposals a game? He was playing very well. Give him time, he is coming back from injury and will hopefully get a full pre-season under his belt
 
Gibbs and Murphy didnt have to contend with OP, and 2 knee injuries.... And Masten has had fantastic games...How quickly people forget?

Irrespective of the injuries, Masten is as suggested earlier, light years from those two. See Gibbs' game against us earlier in the season, and Murphy's second half against us on the weekend.
 
Irrespective of the injuries, Masten is as suggested earlier, light years from those two. See Gibbs' game against us earlier in the season, and Murphy's second half against us on the weekend.

Bryce Gibbs: 83 games
Marc Murphy: 96 games

Chris Masten: 38 games

To put this into perspective, Gibbs has played more AFL games than:

Matt Priddis, Mark Le Cras, Sam Butler, Beau Waters, Ashley Hansen, Shannon Hurn....and probably half of our squad.

I agree Masten is struggling (low on confidence, despite however cocky he might be off-field) but half of you are screaming out "TRADE HIM!!!!11!" like we get some sort of reward for getting rid of under-achieving high draft picks!

We picked him, we wouldn't get what he's worth in a trade, deal with it and give him at least 40 more games before comparing him to people who are about to hit the 100-game mark.
 
Jarrad Grant.
Sorry but Grant is ten times the player Masten is at the moment even with a skinnier body. Grant has also had a fair share of injuries (Osteitis Pubis, foot injury due to being stung by a stingray) that has impeded his development. He has now cemented his spot in our 22 and is an integral part of our structure as he provides support for our other forwards as mentioned by Rocket. He is a nightmare matchup as he is tall, ultra quick, and has one of the best hands both in the air and at ground level down at the kennel. Considering he is only 21, once he fills up, i'm confident he can be a superstar.

We are all willing to admit better player where taken behind Masten. Who while a superior junior talent doesn't have elite AFL attributes.

Case point is Masten is currently not fit and playing in the bottom placed side.

Id imagine Masten and the coaching staff are are as frustrated as we are in regards to his development nad his form.
 
Trade him while there's still some speculation as to whether he can play at all (he can not).

I cannot believe we overlooked Rhys Palmer. From memory 30 touches / 5 rolls in the GF of the U/18 championships wasn't good enough? It was fairly well documented that Masten had some "concerns" over his attitude, yet we took him anyway.
 
Watched the replay of the Essendon game and Dunstall was giving
Masten a serve a few times. Watching closely he did some pretty good things in close and help set up a couple of goals by hand and foot.

One funny thing was when he marked on an tightish angle 35m out but decided to centre the ball to Le Cras. Le Cras was spoiled and then Dunstall started bagging him about "suposidly" being a top 10 draft pick and questioned why he would pass and not have a shot. 10 seconds later Lynch does a similar pass and Le Cras marks and goals under similar pressure.:eek: and the commentators are happy.

One second they call him selfish ............. the next they criticise him for passing the ball to Le Cras and not having a shot himself.:cool:

When Masten is fully match fit he will be a game winner, especially in a couple more years with 80 games experience.:thumbsu:
 
Bryce Gibbs: 83 games
Marc Murphy: 96 games

Chris Masten: 38 games

To put this into perspective, Gibbs has played more AFL games than:

Matt Priddis, Mark Le Cras, Sam Butler, Beau Waters, Ashley Hansen, Shannon Hurn....and probably half of our squad.

I agree Masten is struggling (low on confidence, despite however cocky he might be off-field) but half of you are screaming out "TRADE HIM!!!!11!" like we get some sort of reward for getting rid of under-achieving high draft picks!

We picked him, we wouldn't get what he's worth in a trade, deal with it and give him at least 40 more games before comparing him to people who are about to hit the 100-game mark.

Good post :). I think Masten will come good he has shown a bit
 

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