Opinion Matthew Nicks: Adelaide's Coach (Part 2) - Full Support of the Board

[conVINCEd]

being appointed to the midfield rotation is like being appointed to the US Supreme Court, you own the role until you retire. No better example than Thommo >snip< And then over a preseason he went from top 3 to outside the entire group and given a home pity game.

So, Thommo isn’t a great example of your theory.

 

[George Kramer]

The only thing that is confirmed with Pedler is that, when he came on and played part of the game when some of the heat had died off, he did well.

I've already said there can be errors when risks are taken - such as Massie or Otten.

But what this board means when we complain about selections is that the club has picked a whipping boy you don't like over some unproven player you do.

So Otten is a risk which is an error but not the player whose form had been poor leading into the Swans game? Just happens to be the same bloke you’ve been defending being on our list all offseason, so no bias there

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

The McAsey pick wasn't wrong. Going on the camp wasn't wrong. Ben Hart

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as an assistant coach wasn't wrong. Tippett's contract wasn't wrong.

Can only criticise decisions if you have access to a time machine and can examine the outcome of the alternative.

 

[skam85]

The McAsey pick wasn't wrong

Yeh how do we know the other guy we took with our highest ever draft pick at the time would have been a poor footballer with a sad face too

 

[Mostyn]

So Otten is a risk which is an error but not the player whose form had been poor leading into the Swans game? Just happens to be the same bloke you’ve been defending being on our list all offseason, so no bias there

I'm not defending him as much as you bring him up over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

I don't think I've ever brought him up first - I've just responded to the obsessive amount he's targeted here. I'm sick of talking about Sloane.

And I wasn't even really responding to Sloane. I was responding to the idea that you could know what happened with an event that didn't occur. It's unknowable.

 

[Mostyn]

The McAsey pick wasn't wrong. Going on the camp wasn't wrong. Ben Hart

Ben Hart

Age

50

Ht

190cm

Wt

83kg

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Def

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Last 5

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14.0

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10.2

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3.8

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M

3.8

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1.6

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No current season stats available

D

14.0

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9.6

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.2

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as an assistant coach wasn't wrong. Tippett's contract wasn't wrong.

Can only criticise decisions if you have access to a time machine and can examine the outcome of the alternative.

You can criticise things as much as you want. That's just an opinion.

You can say something that happened was bad.

But you can't say that you know what would have happened if an alternative was done - that's impossible to know.

That's my incredibly obvious point. Everyone that complains about selections saying "if only they'd done what I wanted, we would have been vastly better."

They're wrong. There's no way to know that.

 

[Carmo]

You can criticise things as much as you want. That's just an opinion.

You can say something that happened was bad.

But you can't say that you know what would have happened if an alternative was done - that's impossible to know.

That's my incredibly obvious point. Everyone that complains about selections saying "if only they'd done what I wanted, we would have been vastly better."

They're wrong. There's no way to know that.

Yeah but, if you cant assume unknowables are knowable, how will you ever have reason to complain on a public forum silly? This would end life for some.

 

[Eddie Murphy]

We went 3-3 with Crouch and Dawson later in the year, beating Port, Gold Coast and West Coast. Far too early to say it was elite

Small sample size sure, but stat-wise I don’t think you can say our midfield lost out in any of our last five games, where Dawson, Crouch, and Laird featured most.

 

[George Kramer]

I'm not defending him as much as you bring him up over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

I don't think I've ever brought him up first - I've just responded to the obsessive amount he's targeted here. I'm sick of talking about Sloane.

And I wasn't even really responding to Sloane. I was responding to the idea that you could know what happened with an event that didn't occur. It's unknowable.

And yet you’re so sick of it but you keep on talking about him…. You could just stay off the topic, except you prolong it by putting up ridiculous posts

 

[rabidcrow]

Does a "very very clear plan" include moving Dawson from defense to the midfield mid season and bringing back Crouch after not playing him for a year?

Very very clear plan is we have used 2 high draft picks on midfielders and those guys are clearly being developed for the midfield alongside a couple of experienced guys. Undoubtedly we fell into Dawson - and didn’t Crouch came in because we decided Keays wasn’t the answer. But Schoenberg and Soligo on top of the other Rachele and Pedlar are getting rotated through there. The changing of the guard is happening - but over a couple of seasons, not a couple of games like some on here call for


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[George Kramer]

Very very clear plan is we have used 2 high draft picks on midfielders and those guys are clearly being developed for the midfield alongside a couple of experienced guys. Undoubtedly we fell into Dawson - and didn’t Crouch came in because we decided Keays wasn’t the answer. But Schoenberg and Soligo on top of the other Rachele and Pedlar are getting rotated through there. The changing of the guard is happening - but over a couple of seasons, not a couple of games like some on here call for


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Please quote any posters calling for it after a couple of games. Given you won’t be able to, I’ve noticed you’re going down the Wayne path, creating a point that isn’t there.

Do you really want to be known as Wayne Jnr? And I’m not talking Milera.

 

[Mostyn]

And yet you’re so sick of it but you keep on talking about him…. You could just stay off the topic, except you prolong it by putting up ridiculous posts

I've never mentioned Sloane on this.

You're the one who turns every single discussion into a post about Sloane.

Honestly, just get over it.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Very very clear plan is we have used 2 high draft picks on midfielders and those guys are clearly being developed for the midfield alongside a couple of experienced guys. Undoubtedly we fell into Dawson - and didn’t Crouch came in because we decided Keays wasn’t the answer. But Schoenberg and Soligo on top of the other Rachele and Pedlar are getting rotated through there. The changing of the guard is happening - but over a couple of seasons, not a couple of games like some on here call for


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Reckon Crouch came into the side because of Laird's one week injury absence, then did enough to hold his spot

 

[Mostyn]

Please quote any posters calling for it after a couple of games. Given you won’t be able to, I’ve noticed you’re going down the Wayne path, creating a point that isn’t there.

Do you really want to be known as Wayne Jnr? And I’m not talking Milera.

Lol - i feel like we've done this already?

"You'll never find examples of posters saying anything this dumb".

** cue Ciao Giacomo immediately coming up with a half dozen examples of people saying exactly that **

There's ALWAYS posters saying things incredibly prematurely ...

 

[George Kramer]

Lol - i feel like we've done this already?

"You'll never find examples of posters saying anything this dumb".

** cue Ciao Giacomo immediately coming up with a half dozen examples of people saying exactly that **

There's ALWAYS posters saying things incredibly prematurely ...

And BACCS supplying stupidly defensive club posts. Or @KRISTOF relying on heat maps or changing his mind on trades when we don’t get what he demanded before the trade. Yes there’s ALWAYS stupid ambassador posts…

 

[Mostyn]

And BACCS supplying stupidly defensive club posts. Or @KRISTOF relying on heat maps or changing his mind on trades when we don’t get what he demanded before the trade. Yes there’s ALWAYS stupid ambassador posts…

And there's stupid bedwetter posts.

It's a board of amateur obsessives who are desperately sure of their own opinions, so there will always be people sounding off with kneejerk posts.

And not everyone is intelligent enough to change their mind once they consider things more deeply, like I do.

 

[rabidcrow]

Sorry, what?????

Great answer. Once again we get a taste of your incredible insight and value add to a discussion


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[rabidcrow]

There is no doubt that a lack of midfield speed could be a real issue next season .....if we're not seriously increasing the mid minutes of Rankine, Pedlar & Rachele

I don't include Soligo in that agenda ....as pace is not his strength ....still a very very good footballer in the making, so don't misinterpret my comment

I'm assuming from Drugs Are Bad Mackay? ....he doesn't believe the re-contracting of Crouch was a good move .....he's a mid only

Personally doubt we see much of Rankine in the midfield - pinch hit maybe

The focus for growth will be Pedlar, Rachele and Soligo in that order I think


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[rabidcrow]

How could Soligo show more as a pure midfielder at training when, if he was still a year away from the transition, he'd be playing other roles at training?

When you look at how most teams have developed their best mifielders, they've been given key roles in their 3rd season. Proper inside midfield, 20+ touch stuff. Not pissing around on the fringes.

Take Caleb Serong. Averaging 26 touches and 6 clearances in his third season. Tom Green was spending significant inside time in his 2nd season and in his fourth he was practically their best mid. Will Day, fourth season goes in and dominates. Crouch AA in his 4th season back in the day.

That's not even counting the guys that played in the midfield straight away like Bailey Smith, Matt Rowell, Sam Walsh, etc.

These timelines are not years away for our players. They are right now.

Agree that next year we should see another clear step up for Pedler Rachele and Soligo - if you look through the CBA stats this year they had 7-8 week bursts of significant time and then dropped away
Would expect that to pretty well double this year

In terms of the comparison above I suggest most of those guys were drafted as accumulators - Day aside - whereas Pedlar and Rachele were more power athletes. Soligo was drafted in the late 30’s
So I think it was expected they would take a bit longer.
Confident we see further building on what they did last year


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[rabidcrow]

Who is Tex keeping out? Our best young forward prospects are already playing forward in the AFL side

No one. But Tex gets targeted more than anyone else in our forward line. Does his presence mean that Thilthorpe and Fog get a lot less ball directed their way? Reducing their time as the key options in the forward line?

Now Tex is top 5 forward in the comp and Laird Sloane and Keays clearly are not top 5 mids

But there are some comparisons with the midfield argument


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[Mostyn]

Agree that next year we should see another clear step up for Pedler Rachele and Soligo - if you look through the CBA stats this year they had 7-8 week bursts of significant time and then dropped away
Would expect that to pretty well double this year

In terms of the comparison above I suggest most of those guys were drafted as accumulators - Day aside - whereas Pedlar and Rachele were more power athletes. Soligo was drafted in the late 30’s
So I think it was expected they would take a bit longer.
Confident we see further building on what they did last year


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I agree. For me, the ratio of CBAs probably starts at -

Dawson 80%
Laird 65%
Crouch 65%
Rachele 40%
Pedlar 40%
Soligo 10%

 

[rabidcrow]

Please quote any posters calling for it after a couple of games. Given you won’t be able to, I’ve noticed you’re going down the Wayne path, creating a point that isn’t there.

Do you really want to be known as Wayne Jnr? And I’m not talking Milera.

George. Plenty are asking for it after a couple of games ( and by that I mean it should have already happened immediately)
There are numerous posts on here complaining about Sloane, Keays, Laird and Crouch getting a heap of midfield time at the expense of “the kids”.
This indicates the kids should have been getting the majority of the midfield time in the season just gone.
My argument is they are clearly - very clearly - being integrated into the midfield over time. I suspect as others have said based on Burgesses numbers and recommended minutes

That point is indisputable in my view.
Now if we don’t see further growth in midfield time for “the kids” this year and the team stagnants then I am all for calling the coaches out

Does that clear it up for you?


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[George Kramer]

George. Plenty are asking for it after a couple of games ( and by that I mean it should have already happened immediately)
There are numerous posts on here complaining about Sloane, Keays, Laird and Crouch getting a heap of midfield time at the expense of “the kids”.
This indicates the kids should have been getting the majority of the midfield time in the season just gone.
My argument is they are clearly - very clearly - being integrated into the midfield over time. I suspect as others have said based on Burgesses numbers and recommended minutes

That point is indisputable in my view.
Now if we don’t see further growth in midfield time for “the kids” this year and the team stagnants then I am all for calling the coaches out

Does that clear it up for you?


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No, no one’s asked for them to be playing full time mid straight away. But they’ve been shunted to the half forward line with minimal minutes in the midfield.

Were you one who argued with me that Pedlar couldn’t cope with any centre bounce attendances this year? Because there were a few right up until he started to and showed what he could do.

 

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[1970crow]

Was it not 7 pretty reasonable games?

6 late season, meant to say a couple, probably a few good games, but I think he was only genuinely valuable in 2 or 3. In terms of looking like a different player. Either way, a few games at the end of a season need to be averaged out over a greater period when it comes to list management decisions.