Matthew Scarlett; Why is it assumed?

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I was just reading the Mike Sheahan article regarding sharing the Anzac Day clash between clubs (another thread, done many times over Sheahan you twit), when something caught me:

"One great full-back, Essendon's Dustin Fletcher, will play his 14th Anzac Day fixture tomorrow. Scarlett, an even better full-back, won't ever get to play on the MCG on the biggest day of the home-and-away season."

Says friggin who??

Before someone points out the bleedingly freakin obvious - yes, I am an Essendon supporter (who else was going to pick out the above line, really).

It seems that there are a number of commonly held beliefs in footy, including BigFooty, that from what I can tell actually haven't been quantified. You know the type I mean, things assumed as fact that when you actually look at them, are perhaps as not as clear cut as they seem.

Who says Scarlett is better then Fletcher? Why is it just ASSUMED?

Dustin Fletcher is held in absolute reverance at Essendon, alongside and possibly ahead of Matthew Lloyd, just below James Hird for players that have played in the last twenty years.

So here's a couple things I looked at:

DISPOSALS:
Over the course of their respective careers, Fletcher and Scarlett have averaged approximately the same (around 14) disposals per game. But look a little deeper...

Scarlett peaked in disposals in 2007 and 2009, coincidentally in years when Geelong won the flag. So in a great side, Scarlett performed.

Fletcher on the other hand, has gotten his hands on the ball more as Essendon dipped on the ladder. He peaked in 2007.

The inference I'm making here, that Scarlett has gotten his hands on the ball MORE when his team mates are playing well. Fletcher has lifted in deeper times.

OPPONENTS:
This doesn't need much explanation. Scarlett has played on the best of his generation, but Fletcher has played on some of the greatest of all time. Lockett, Dunstall, Modra, Carey, Kernahan amongst others.

LONGEVITY:
I understand I am selling Scarlett short here, as he may very well go on to play as long as Fletcher has. As it is Fletcher has been an exceptional player for a longer period of time.

PREMIERSHIPS:
Both have two premierships. Importantly, Fletcher has his in what would be considered two different sides (ie. 2007 and 2009 Geelong were virtually the same side).

Both have a B&F. Fletcher got his in the most successful season by a team in history.

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I am not trying to downplay Scarlett as a player, but I am absolutely amazed that it is taken as a given that Scarlett is the superior.

What do you think?
 

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don't fullbacks tend to do more when their team is losing?


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Interesting point - so why has Scarlett got MORE of the ball when the Cats are winning? Especially considering the strength of the Geelong midfield which should squeeze opportunities dry at that end of the ground.

Empty disposals maybe?
 
I'd take Fletcher at his peak over Scarlett. But I think these comparisons are just silly subjective crap they are both great players so who really cares.
 
Yep spot on. The talk about Scarlet being the best ever FB is insanely ridiculous. He's no where near as good as Fletcher defensively, or even players like Bolton, Glass, Lake.

Fletcher gets sold short by most people, one of the great defenders of the game.
 
Who says Scarlett is better then Fletcher? Why is it just ASSUMED?
Mike Sheehan has watched them both over the length of their careers. He has made a judgement as to who is better. You can disagree with that judgement, but bemoaning the fact it exists is just ******ed. I'm not old enough to remember the first half of Fletcher's career, so I'm not really in a position to pass judgement - but the fact you're questioning whether Scarlett was racking up 'empty possessions' shows you aren't, either.

PS: ****ing lol at saying Glass is better than Scarlett. At the start of 07 people were comparing Rutten, Glass and Scarlett in the same sentence; since then Scarlett has gone so far past the other two it's not funny.
 

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Scarlett has had less goals kicked against him than any FB you will find.

As for longevity, do you even know how long Scarlett has been caning, week in, week out, FF's for?

Fletcher was great. Scarlett is better. The one FB of the the modern era IMO that might be comparable is Silvagni.
 
Better than anything OP offered.

Oh I'm sorry... disposals, discussion of WHEN they performed, opponents, longevity certainly don't hold a candle to the opinion based, and often derided AA selections - which is all you brought to this thread. :rolleyes:
 
It is impossible to factually say if a player is better than another...

Spot on.

But Mike did it, as fact, in his article.

Hence the thread. An assumption that appears to have no basis.
 
I think both players have been around long enough to conclude something on facts rather than assumptions.
 
I think both players have been around long enough to conclude something on facts rather than assumptions.

Ok, so conclude something based on FACT then for us please.

A FACT is indiputable, black and white, so please include these facts in your conclusion.
 
Oh I'm sorry... disposals, discussion of WHEN they performed, opponents, longevity certainly don't hold a candle to the opinion based, and often derided AA selections - which is all you brought to this thread. :rolleyes:

Yeah coz disposals are so important for a full back.

You offered opponents and didnt give any information on how he did on said opponents. He played on Sticks, so what? Sticks could have kicked 10 on him for all we know. And back then you could actually spoil an opponent without giving a free.

Longevity i'll give you but like u said, Scarlett has a couple years on him.

AA at least offers an opinion by more than yourself as to how a player performs. Experts on the game who have chosen Scarlett as the best (or one of the bst) defenders 5 times to Fletchers 2. I'll take their opinion over yours.
 

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