Coach Adelaide under Matthew Nicks

[Purple7x08_24]

Experienced coaches generally don't work because most of the time they are yesterday's men just topping up their super, Pagan and Malthouse to Carlton, Clark to North etc.

It is almost taboo to poach a coach from another club. Hardwick has backdoored it to get to GC, Freo had a good run after poaching Lyon from the Saints, Collingwood eventually got there after poaching Malthouse from WC. There are not many examples of a wanted coach changing clubs over the years which is why statistics for experienced coaches would not read great.

On the other hand it is fine to say McRae wasn't an experienced coach but clubs are churning through a dozen Brendan Boltons, Mark Neelds, Scotty Watters etc to find that one diamond from the assistant ranks.

Buckley is not comparable to the guys like Lyon. I think hes still got a robust understanding of todays game but also a very good football head and could easily get a team on side. He speaks well and players love him.

He pretty much said he would coach Tas if tge offer came. This is an opportunity for clubs to throw everything at him.

Crows already locked Nicks away so they ****ed that up.

 

[Cdog71]

Crows where undermanned against the Tiges.
We got some players back, had some talent in the midfield but we just looked a lot stronger down the spine with Balta and Taranto playing compared to the Crows.

Darcy Fogarty

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Darcy Fogarty

Age

25

Ht

194cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.5

2star

K

5.7

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.7

4star

G

1.2

4star

D

6.3

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

2.3

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.3

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.6

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

1.0

4star

looks too heavy to me, it’d be easier for him with Tilthorpe but still athletic tall types seem to deal with him without too much trouble.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Where's that Carlton guy who always mentions "young Reid"

Red Bull - the legend who coined it

 

[Borussia Teeth]

That's fair, though in the Crows case we have gone with a first time head coach every time since Gary Ayres.

Neil Craig
Brenton Sanderson
Phil Walsh (RIP)
Don Pyke
Matthew Nicks

I think it would be ok to give an experienced head coach a go at this point. Though I think there is a cultural reason why we don't, an experienced coach might be a bit too independent and rock the boat for all the second rate losers that have clung to the club for years.

Nicks is a bald fraud and should be dismissed.

Experienced head coach you say…Who says no faster to a Nicks - Hinkley swap???

 

[BACCS]

They need Rankine, Tex and Dawson to go ballistic to have a chance of winning games. It's not sustainable

Some deep analysis there! Club needs 3 best players to do well to be competitive, who woulda thunk it? Who’s Sydney’s best 3 players this year? They’ve played all season and are the reason they’re winning so many games. Having your star players available more often than not will always be important.

 

[BACCS]

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Whether or not Nicks can coach I think there are some genuinely deluded Adelaide fans if they think that team is supposed to be making finals

That’s obviously not our best 22 and missing 2 of our top 3 players and important players in key positions (Thilthorpe and Murray). There are some issues with our club right now very clearly, but picking out that team as an example to bag our list is straw level analysis.

 

[1970crow]

Kingy had some criticism until he had a coffee with Nicks, been his biggest backer since.

Exact same happened with Blight.

 

[fuic08]

Exact same happened with Blight.

Secret mob boss or something

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

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Whether or not Nicks can coach I think there are some genuinely deluded Adelaide fans if they think that team is supposed to be making finals

Yeh I just don’t see why expectations are so high with that group. Get Rankine and Tex back with Dawson and they will get you some wins but noway will that side be able to consistently win yet.

 

[Taper]

Yeh I just don’t see why expectations are so high with that group. Get Rankine and Tex back with Dawson and they will get you some wins but noway will that side be able to consistently win yet.

Crows haven't played finals for 7 years, so it's understandable the fans are getting restless.
However, David King makes a good point about Nicks not having the cattle and rebuilding teams often take one step back to go two steps forward.

 

[Handsuper47]

I think he doesn't have the cattle, while at the same time I think once you've had five years as coach and you still can't go anywhere maybe it's time to walk - or better yet, Adelaide should look at Port Adelaide, see they've had the same coach since 2013 and start making the hard decisions Port is unable to do.

 

[Daka]

Experienced coaches are overrated.

Was McRae an experienced coach?
Kingsley wasn't an experienced coach but instantly revitalised GWS, albeit they're having a lean trot atm.

You don't need to pick someone who's been a senior coach before, in fact you're generally better off not doing it.

He was incredibly experienced, look at his resume been under everyone successful of the last 15-20 years.
Leigh Matthews, Hardwick, Clarkson, Malthouse.

 

[Rabish Binney]

I think he doesn't have the cattle, while at the same time I think once you've had five years as coach and you still can't go anywhere maybe it's time to walk - or better yet, Adelaide should look at Port Adelaide, see they've had the same coach since 2013 and start making the hard decisions Port is unable to do.

The club had the opportunity to make a hard decision by not renewing Nick's contract so early in the season.

Instead they renewed it. Straight after our loss to GC in round one.

Oh the irony

 

[J_Moore]

List/football managers would be more urgently in need of replacement, you’d reckon.

The Crows shot the lights out last year in one of the more statistically unlikely seasons you’ll see in terms of accuracy/efficiency.

Papered over some cracks.

 

[HTPunter]

Fogarty was in our top 5 last night and heading into the game was the highest ranked key forward in the comp over the last month. He's tracking just fine and will be a lot better off once Thilthorpe returns too.

And Balta was pretty much BOG. Plus I was actually addressing one key aspect of his game, which was his decision making & execution around body contact, and if you think that was fine, you have no idea.

A big CD boost came from the Eagles game too where most key forwards would have gone ok

 

[HTPunter]

Isn't that the same of any best 22 in the comp that are just coming out of a rebuild and starting to push finals? Our genuine A grade players are Tex, Dawson and Rankine and then we have a lot of promising talent under the age of 25 (Soligo, Rachele, Nankervis, Thilthorpe, Fogarty, Worrell, Keane, Pedlar, Hinge, Murray, Curtin, Dowling). We also have the 3rd ranked defence this year.

The list is not premiership quality yet, but it's certainly good enough to be starting to make finals. To be in the bottom 4 is 100% on our poor off field decisions made post 2023.

Read the post I replied too. Was rating Adelaide a lot higher than just coming out of a rebuild.

Tex was A grade in 2023 but there’s none of that in 2024 either and it seems less than likely (not many KF’s do a Hawkins) that he’ll return to it too.

 

[BACCS]

List/football managers would be more urgently in need of replacement, you’d reckon.

The Crows shot the lights out last year in one of the more statistically unlikely seasons you’ll see in terms of accuracy/efficiency.

Papered over some cracks.

I don’t think our list is in absolute dire straits like some believe, but I do think freshening that aspect of the club up can only be a good thing after nearly a decade in those roles.

I would attribute 80% of our issues this year coming from poor planning by our football department over the off season and 20% on recruiting.

Collingwood’s best 22 isn’t fantastic atm due to a mountain of injuries, but their system is elite and can cover for the short term. That’s what an elite football department can achieve with almost any list.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

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Whether or not Nicks can coach I think there are some genuinely deluded Adelaide fans if they think that team is supposed to be making finals

This team in particular?
Yeah maybe not but there’s 7-8 best 22 players missing from this team.

Adelaide got as close to finals (without getting in) as a team can get last year.

This was despite going 1-5 in games under a goal and the coach making continuous selection blunders.

The crows were a popular choice amongst neutrals at the start of the season.
It’s real hindsight hero stuff to claim that’s just “deluded crows fans”.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

They need Rankine, Tex and Dawson to go ballistic to have a chance of winning games. It's not sustainable

You could say the same thing about port

 

[Del165198]

You could say the same thing about port

They don't play for port mate

 

[BACCS]

They don't play for port mate

Saying a teams best 3 players would normally need to play well to win consistently is hardly ground shattering stuff, that’s the same for any club.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

List/football managers would be more urgently in need of replacement, you’d reckon.

The Crows shot the lights out last year in one of the more statistically unlikely seasons you’ll see in terms of accuracy/efficiency.

Papered over some cracks.

In what way?

Adelaide were 5th for inside 50’s and second for behinds scored.

Hardly a massive anomaly

 

[Handsuper47]

The club had the opportunity to make a hard decision by not renewing Nick's contract so early in the season.

Instead they renewed it. Straight after our loss to GC in round one.

Oh the irony

well I didn't know that, shoot!

 

[RonnieRaven]

Saying a teams best 3 players would normally need to play well to win consistently is hardly ground shattering stuff, that’s the same for any club.

The indictment on the crows is your 3 best players is made up of a cooked Tex and two players traded in.
Drafting and development is deplorable.
Freos last 4 bnf winners have been drafted this rebuild.
Ryan, Darcy, brayshaw, serong

 

[Go the Guts]

Noone could in all seriously argue that fogarty is tracking "absolutely perfectly"

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Um, yep they could and do. He’s been excellent for the last month or more. Was the number 1 rated forward in the comp for the previous month going into our last game. Can’t track much better than that.