Rumour McLean Out For The Year

[blues4flag]

Fact. If Gysberts was playing for Carlton, we would love him.

 

[mediumsizered]

Fact. If Gysberts was playing for Carlton, we would love him.

Fact is Gysberts doesn't play for Carlton so he is irrelevant.

 

[Sin City]

What name calling? Please explain why it's acceptable for a senior player to have one tackle while it's appalling for a skinny 2nd gamer to have none? Simple question - you brought up the stat, not mine.

Scotland gets involved in the hard stuff, he stood up when the team needed him and busted his gut the entire game. Gysberts avoided the physical stuff all game, was more intent on running around by himself. I'm not gonna go MCB like and call him a bunch of names but he has too many glaring deficiencies.

All I'm saying is there's a reason he was taken at 11 by the Demons and no offence Sin but I'd take the opinion of a professional recruiting department than your own. Cheney, Houli and Dyson were all selected at >40 due to deficiencies in their game. The fact that Gysberts went at 11 suggests otherwise.

Of course you should do that, but you should also be able to see things for yourself if you are actually watching him. They've also made other questionable recruiting decisions, they're not gods B4F, they can get things wrong and as I've said ever since draft day I was thrilled that they stuffed it up and went for Gysberts, who they probably could've got at 18, instead of Lucas.

He stuffed it up a couple of times but he wasn't alone. I refuse to be overly critical of a young player unless there's a fundamental flaw and I don't see that with Gysberts. All I see is an 18 year old trying to pick up the pace of the game.

He stuffed it up a lot, but it's not just yesterday, it's all the time. I'm not one for bagging young players unnecessarily either but with his poor all round game I don't think I'm out of line in saying they got the pick wrong.

It took Russell 5 years to improve his disposal to a level which didn't leave supporters with their hands in their faces. Even Lucas was sloppy vs. Essendon and Geelong, as you'd expect from somebody who's never experienced anything near the intensity of AFL footy.

I'm not just judging him on his first two games.

Explain the 11 contested possessions?

Contested possessions are a pretty broad stat, a bit over rated on BigFooty. They're not hard ball gets, they're just possessions when there are other players around. His contested possessions are a problem because he was constantly giving it to team mates under pressure or putting them under pressure with bad disposal. Gibbs had 16 contested possessions last week but he was playing a loose role wasn't he.

Also, I've got no issues with Mclean's disposal and decision making in close, even if he can be a touch slow with his hands at time. His kicking when in space does leave a bit to be desired though that's not his role in the team.

Yeah, you did. This is what you said.

The irony is you're claiming he was a bad selection at 11 because of disposal and decision making yet the guy we got in the trade also struggles in this area of the game.

I'm not gonna insult you but think twice before accusing me of hypocrisy. He's not out on his own all that often so there aren't too many examples but he's kicked a few beautiful long goals early in the year. The kick to the square last week was the right decision and an excellent kick given the angle he was on. Got it a few times around half back and used it well also.

 

[serenityNow]

Fact. If Gysberts was playing for Carlton, we would love him.

Exactly.


All this talk about his lack of tackling etc is just crap, his 18 years old, 2 games into his career. When he gets more weight on him that side of his game will vastly improve. Skills will improve over time. He has no trouble reading the ball or finding it and gets through traffic well.

FFS give the kid some credit, what does someone have to do in their first 2 games to get credit?



Melbourne have got a good player in Gysberts.

 

[Sin City]

Exactly how much of him did you see from Tasmania?

Emma Quayle describes him as an honest, inside midfielder who rarely fumbles or panics. In stark contrast to your assessment of him. Melbourne saw fit to draft him at 11. Yet we should disregard all that and expect him to be a wasted pick just because you saw him play once or twice?

Fair question, I saw a bit of him, saw enough of him and follow the draft/potential draftees pretty closely. You don't have to agree with me but if you go through the last few years of Emma Quayle's previews/top 20s or whatever they are you'll see some strange things, there will be plenty that you don't agree with now that you've seen them and some things that leave you scratching your head.

 

[blues4flag]

Think we're gonna have to agree to disagree here. I'm not claiming he'll be star but as an 18 year old who was clearly rated as a 1st round selection, he can go either way while you seem to have him pigeon holed as a dud. I'll make an effort to watch him closer in future but maintain you're being overly harsh.

 

[stevedarui]

I dunno Demonheart, I've seen both games Gysberts has played and teams are happy to let him get the ball because he's got very bad disposal and is a terrible decision maker. Has the fitness to keep going for a whole game which is a plus, but I really haven't been impressed. 0 tackles on a day like yesterday is appalling.

So Geelong round 1 who hadn't seen Gysberts play said before the game let Gysberts get the ball because has bad disposal and is a terrible decision maker.

Round 2 Carlton who saw Gysberts the week before said before the game let Gysberts get the ball because has bad disposal and is a terrible decision maker. Are you fair dinkum.

This kid who laid 3 tackles and picked up 11 contested possies in his first game at a efficiency of 69% is a gun and I would love him at Carlton.

Carlton recruited Brock for a specific role and we probably would not have drafted Gysberts so the decision on whether that trade was a good result for Carlton has everything to do with Brock and nothing to do with how good Gysberts is.

 

[Sin City]

Think we're gonna have to agree to disagree here. I'm not claiming he'll be star but as an 18 year old who was clearly rated as a 1st round selection, he can go either way while you seem to have him pigeon holed as a dud. I'll make an effort to watch him closer in future but maintain you're being overly harsh.

Yes, don't see us agreeing on it anytime soon

It'll be a good one to revisit in two, three, five years etc.

Don't think I'm being harsh but I don't think he'll ever be a regular contributor in a good team.

 

[Sin City]

So Geelong round 1 who hadn't seen Gysberts play said before the game let Gysberts get the ball because has bad disposal and is a terrible decision maker.

Round 2 Carlton who saw Gysberts the week before said before the game let Gysberts get the ball because has bad disposal and is a terrible decision maker. Are you fair dinkum.

This kid who laid 3 tackles and picked up 11 contested possies in his first game at a efficiency of 69% is a gun and I would love him at Carlton.

Carlton recruited Brock for a specific role and we probably would not have drafted Gysberts so the decision on whether that trade was a good result for Carlton has everything to do with Brock and nothing to do with how good Gysberts is.

I haven't said anything about McLean or the trade in that post you've quoted. Just said how I don't rate Gysberts, I'll stick to that and will be happy to revisit it in the future.

 

[tigers4spoon08]

Yes, don't see us agreeing on it anytime soon

It'll be a good one to revisit in two, three, five years etc.

Don't think I'm being harsh but I don't think he'll ever be a regular contributor in a good team.

you will eat your words most definitely sin.

 

[mickelboy182]

There's not much more Gysberts could have done to impress me in his first couple of games.

Sin, you can't honestly sit there and say you'd be displeased with his efforts were he a Carlton player?

I'd like to put my hand up as one who questioned them picking him so early, but so far he has certainly repaid the faith for mine.

 

[Sin City]

you will eat your words most definitely sin.

Well thought out and reasoned

 

[Sin City]

Sin, you can't honestly sit there and say you'd be displeased with his efforts were he a Carlton player?

Well, yeah I can, he hasn't impressed me at all. He's a product of Melbournes game plan. I didn't rate him before the draft and nothing has changed that. If you're telling me that that midfielders spend most of their time near the ball and get a lot of possessions well that's hardly news is it.

 

[mickelboy182]

Well, yeah I can, he hasn't impressed me at all. He's a product of Melbournes game plan. I didn't rate him before the draft and nothing has changed that. If you're telling me that that midfielders spend most of their time near the ball and get a lot of possessions well that's hardly news is it.

What do you think of Lucas? He gets a lot of uncontested ball off of HB.

(Not a dig at Lucas, been super impressed with him)

 

[Sin City]

What do you think of Lucas? He gets a lot of uncontested ball off of HB.

(Not a dig at Lucas, been super impressed with him)

I like Lucas, he was the one I wanted, didn't think we had a hope. You'll see plenty of posts by me saying how thrilled I was when Melbourne stuffed pick 11 up. Is good in traffic, good on a wing, can play HFF, good mark and can play well off HBF. I think he's going to develop into a very good player. I also think Melksham has been better performed than him this year and has a very bright future but I couldn't be happier with Lucas.

He was rated in the top 5 potential draftees last year before the national carnival (I still think the few weeks that the carnival goes for is over rated by recruiters compared to the rest of their junior career - see Jack Watts jumping or Daniel Rich sliding), slid a bit afterwards but was still expected to go at 7 and although some good players have gone (Moore, Melksham, Jetta, Butcher) after pick 7 I still think he would've been a better pick for the Eagles.

 

[ESKIE]

Well, yeah I can, he hasn't impressed me at all. He's a product of Melbournes game plan. I didn't rate him before the draft and nothing has changed that. If you're telling me that that midfielders spend most of their time near the ball and get a lot of possessions well that's hardly news is it.

Having read through this thread & all this tooing and froing...and I have to agree with Sin here folks, I;m not sure they got the pick completely right.

Lucas

 

[ESKIE]

What do you think of Lucas? He gets a lot of uncontested ball off of HB.

(Not a dig at Lucas, been super impressed with him)

Lucas oozes real class, over the moon with that pick up, prior injury he had consolidated a spot in the side, and we;re a top 6 side, that is an awsome effort

 

[Silvagnis]

All I'm saying is there's a reason he was taken at 11 by the Demons and no offence Sin but I'd take the opinion of a professional recruiting department than your own. Cheney, Houli and Dyson were all selected at >40 due to deficiencies in their game. The fact that Gysberts went at 11 suggests otherwise.

The 2006 draft wasn't a compromised draft with zero bottom age players available.

Five clubs traded first round picks last year.

Incredible.

Also, I've got no issues with Mclean's disposal and decision making in close, even if he can be a touch slow with his hands at time. His kicking when in space does leave a bit to be desired though that's not his role in the team.

Mclean's pass to Browne on his left and his pass to Henderson in the square across his body were perfect.

Mclean's snap against WC from the boundary line and the right pocket just missed.

That kick was Betts like after he brought down Priddis and snapped it under pressure.

Brock had no problem slamming through a goal from fifty against Brisbane off two steps.

Mclean is nothing like Bentick.

The only kick he stuffed up against WC was a short kick to a contest because no one was leading up the ground.

Fact is Gysberts doesn't play for Carlton so he is irrelevant.

Oh, that's just drunk talk! Sweet, beautiful drunk talk...

 

[The Coach]

Fact is Gysberts doesn't play for Carlton so he is irrelevant.

Can you see NicNat through that narrow view MS

PS Jo Bjelke Petersen Award for ignoring all reasonable questions LOL

 

[mediumsizered]

Can you see NicNat through that narrow view MS

PS Jo Bjelke Petersen Award for ignoring all reasonable questions LOL

Don't you worry about that.

FWIW, the photo can't be of NicNat, it is an image of Croatia. Perhaps it is a distant Croatian relative of NicNat.

 

[starchamber]

Think we're gonna have to agree to disagree here. I'm not claiming he'll be star but as an 18 year old who was clearly rated as a 1st round selection, he can go either way while you seem to have him pigeon holed as a dud. I'll make an effort to watch him closer in future but maintain you're being overly harsh.

If he was wearing the Carlton jumper everyone would be saying how a gun he was mark my words in those 2 games and we have 150 gamer +

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

Sin City's comments re: Gysberts are some of the most pathetic I've read on here in a long time.

'I closely follow the draftees' = I trawl the Drafts and Trading board, watch biased youtube clips, and go to an u/18 game once a year. Honestly, who do you think you're kidding?

You're so confident that Melbourne 'stuffed up' by selecting Gysberts, are you? Well for a skinny 18 year old I think he has been fantastic, and will only get better, and I think the Demons' recruiters would be thrilled with their selection.

Complete and utter rubbish.

 

[Silvagnis]

Sin City's comments re: Gysberts are some of the most pathetic I've read on here in a long time.

The most pathetic comments posted on here have been about our players.

Yet these comments were made by Carlton supporters.

Nothing wrong with what Sin City has posted about a Melbourne footballer.

Why should a Carlton supporter join the Gysberts fan club?

Gysberts isn't a freak and potential superstar that opposition fans would love to see in their side.

 

[ericpascoe]

Bit of perspective on Brocky. He is only 24 and is playing with a hip injury. Docs are still considering whether to nurse him through or put him in for an operation now. Would be out for about 10. Ep

 

[Bluebear]

Thanks ep.

FWIW on Gysberts, I thought he looked O.K. but his kicking didn't seem anything to write home about.

I'd take Lucas over Gysberts.

If we are talking who would you prefer from McLean and Gysberts, it's too early to tell.

At the same stage of their careers Dalziell > Gysberts > Judd. Some time is required folks.