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3KZ is Football said:
Doesn't sound good does it.
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Leigh has walked away when things got tough before.

I've said before - I think we need to look at the way coaches are selected and try to borrow people for the selection panel who have been at the bottom on successful rebuilds when selecting a coach.

Leigh's value is the respect he is held in through the industry, his relationships with other power brokers and the sense of stability he brings.

If he wallks be is hanging leppa out to dry. And i don't imagine that would help the kid's confidence.
 
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Email has gone out to Members (from the club) saying as a Thanks for supporting the team in the first 6 home games they are giving out a surprise gift to all of us at the Membership Marquee at the next home game.

We have a good Membership department. They must have been thinking "We need to do SOMETHING to cheer them up."

Thanks to members have come from the Coaches wrap, Rockliff himself on the microphone after the game, and emails to Members now. Must be a specific instruction from the club to make us feel appreciated.
 

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Gadzorks said:
Leigh has walked away when things got tough before.
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Example?
If you mean Collingwood, he was sacked at the end of 1995.
If you mean us, he has openly said he finished up because he thought the time was right and that the club needed a new coach because he wasn't coaching well. An element of burnt out.
 
Gadzorks said:
Leigh has walked away when things got tough before.

I've said before - I think we need to look at the way coaches are selected and try to borrow people for the selection panel who have been at the bottom on successful rebuilds when selecting a coach.

Leigh's value is the respect he is held in through the industry, his relationships with other power brokers and the sense of stability he brings.

If he wallks be is hanging leppa out to dry. And i don't imagine that would help the kid's confidence.
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Lethal walking away from a fight? o_O
 
luthor said:
But yes, I agree getting rid of a large chunk of your better, more experienced players to get draft picks makes little sense to me.

We have enough skinny, underdeveloped kids on our list already.
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Yes but being older and more experienced means little if they aren't contributing. I'd rather our list comprised of young kids with potential who gave it 110% (and we have quite a few of those already - positive note) than "older, experienced" who just coast along and put in less than satisfactory effort.

Lack of effort is a non-negotiable as far as I am concerned. The senior players should be leading the way, not our youngsters. And sadly that ain't happening!

I think a couple things can be done, prior to going to the full extent of sacking Leppa:
1. New midfield coach. Poach one from a top tier club...midfield ain't performing and we need it too.
2. Get a genuine elite forwards coach (not a bloody ruckman!). Need to nurture Schache/Freeman/Hipwood
3. Experienced senior assistant for Leppa. Don't accept second best. Trouble is getting one up to Brissie.
3. Replace Rocky as captain and give it to someone else. This will send ripples through the playing group and will definitely shake up the status quo. A new captain may breathe some life into the playing group. Call me nuts, but I'd take Mitch Robinson. Zorko as a close second choice. Will also send a rocket up Rocky's behind that more is expected from him as a player. If he doesn't like it, he can ask to be traded....as with an attitude like that (if he was to respond in such a sooky fashion) is not acceptable in our club going forward.
4. Keep Rocky (player but not as captain), and keep Zorko, but contemplate offers for Rich and/or Hanley/Martin. Taylor if a good offer came along, but I wouldn't be putting him openly on the market. I actually like Taylor and can see him with us moving forward.
5. Draft elite, and as ready made as possible to play round 1. I.e. Brodie and/or Ainsworth. We need an injection of talent sooner rather than later and in the midfield. This will create competition for spots and we'll see just how hungry Rich, Hanley and Rocky are to stay in the side.
6. Pump games into the youngsters and reward young players for effort and ability with selection. Yes they will have their ups and downs, but Ive said it before and I'll say it again, we actually have some very very very good youngsters on our list. We need to fast track them. We've had years to see how Rich et al would develop (and we've been left wanting). Time to think forward.
7. Put the feelers out for mature quality players from top clubs, ala Stevie J, if any available end of this season. Forget b graders like Bastinac etc unless on an absolute needs basis (such as KPD to replace Merritt). Even on a one year contract, these mature and former greats can help our team and be wise heads on the field.
8. Do what needs to be done to make our ressies team strong. A winning culture may extend from this to the seniors no doubt.

Try that for the next year from now. As I think Leppa deserves another crack with all these things sorted...depending on draw, if we are in the same place middle of the season next year, get rid of him. Not being harsh on Leppa, but if our coaching and support staff and list is genuinely improved next season, and injuries and draw are kind to us, yet deplorable on field efforts and poor structures continue week in and week out next season, then there is no salvation.
 
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13Beast said:
Yes but being older and more experienced means little if they aren't contributing. I'd rather our list comprised of young kids with potential who gave it 110% (and we have quite a few of those already - positive note) than "older, experienced" who just coast along and put in less than satisfactory effort.

Lack of effort is a non-negotiable as far as I am concerned. The senior players should be leading the way, not our youngsters. And sadly that ain't happening!

I think a couple things can be done, prior to going to the full extent of sacking Leppa:
1. New midfield coach. Poach one from a top tier club...midfield ain't performing and we need it too.
2. Get a genuine elite forwards coach (not a bloody ruckman!). Need to nurture Schache/Freeman/Hipwood
3. Experienced senior assistant for Leppa. Don't accept second best. Trouble is getting one up to Brissie.
4. Replace Rocky as captain and give it to someone else. This will send ripples through the playing group and will definitely shake up the status quo. A new captain may breathe some life into the playing group. Call me nuts, but I'd take Mitch Robinson. Zorko as a close second choice. Will also send a rocket up Rocky's behind that more is expected from him as a player. If he doesn't like it, he can ask to be traded....as with an attitude like that (if he was to respond in such a sooky fashion) is not acceptable in our club going forward.
5. Keep Rocky (player but not as captain), and keep Zorko, but contemplate offers for Rich and/or Hanley/Martin. Taylor if a good offer came along, but I wouldn't be putting him openly on the market. I actually like Taylor and can see him with us moving forward.
6. Draft elite, and as ready made as possible to play round 1. I.e. Brodie and/or Ainsworth. We need an injection of talent sooner rather than later and in the midfield. This will create competition for spots and we'll see just how hungry Rich, Hanley and Rocky are to stay in the side.
7. Pump games into the youngsters and reward young players for effort and ability with selection. Yes they will have their ups and downs, but Ive said it before and I'll say it again, we actually have some very very very good youngsters on our list. We need to fast track them. We've had years to see how Rich et al would develop (and we've been left wanting). Time to think forward.
8. Put the feelers out for mature quality players from top clubs, ala Stevie J, if any available end of this season. Forget b graders like Bastinac etc unless on an absolute needs basis (such as KPD to replace Merritt). Even on a one year contract, these mature and former greats can help our team and be wise heads on the field.
9. Do what needs to be done to make our ressies team strong. A winning culture may extend from this to the seniors no doubt.

Try that for the next year from now. As I think Leppa deserves another crack with all these things sorted...depending on draw, if we are in the same place middle of the season next year, get rid of him. Not being harsh on Leppa, but if our coaching and support staff and list is genuinely improved next season, and injuries and draw are kind to us, yet deplorable on field efforts and poor structures continue week in and week out next season, then there is no salvation.
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Some very good points that you have made:
1 + 2. The expertise of our current set up is laughable and especially when you look at our age profile getting highly rated coaches that also have the ability in these areas but also development of players to play in these areas is paramount.
3. I'm not so worried about getting a senior assistant as I think the coaching department and off-field staff should function as one. Getting experienced coaches in (see above) would also assist.
4. I'm a believer in this as well and also for your selection of who to take over (Mitch). Richie Vandenberg wasn't the flashiest player but gave his all and set a standard that I think has flowed on for the current Hawthorn team.
5. Differ from you here in that I don't think the club can be so choosy to see who can attain the correct value that will take the club forward. I'm not saying all of the them but definitely one or two and add Green/Taylor to that.
6. Draft mids, mids, mids or only players that can win their own contested football. How are those juniors who don't win their own contested football then be expected to win it at the top level (Aish). Leadership and also the ability to step up in big games should be taken into account for when drafting.
7. That is difficult at the moment without depth but agree that I would rather a younger player get the chance than someone older if they are around the same level.
8. If there were departures from the older group then this is a must but as you have highlighted only those that have come from successful set-ups and cultures.
9. With the influx of $$$$$$ into the AFL coffers they should do something about the reserves competition. Have thought about this and think that they should create two divisions of the current AFL teams. Div 1 - WC, Freo, Adel, Port, Geelong, WB, North, Ess. Rich and Div 2 - Lions, Suns, GWS, Sydney, Blues, Pies, Saints, Melb, Haw. Doesn't matter too much about the Melbourne teams just have them split 5/5. There needs to be a better bottom tiered system than we currently have.

Won't make comment on Leppa.
 
Brisbane Lions reportedly seeking senior assistant to join the club in 2017

Fairfax Media is reporting that Brisbane is considering bringing in a wise head to aid Leppitsch should he continue as coach in 2017.

The figure head would provide support not just to Leppitsch, but also to the entire football department which is headed by first-year head of football Matt Francis.

Currently Neil Balme (Collingwood) and Chris Fagan (Hawthorn) hold similar positions at rival clubs, although the best example is probably Neil Craig at Carlton, who was hired to provide guidance for rookie senior coach Brendon Bolton.

Leppitsch has coached just 12 wins from 56 games in charge at the Lions. Brisbane has won just one match this season and sits 17th on the ladder.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/bri...h/news-story/33a0d19912819207842bff1cfa6ec362
 
BRAB said:
Brisbane Lions reportedly seeking senior assistant to join the club in 2017

Fairfax Media is reporting that Brisbane is considering bringing in a wise head to aid Leppitsch should he continue as coach in 2017.

The figure head would provide support not just to Leppitsch, but also to the entire football department which is headed by first-year head of football Matt Francis.

Currently Neil Balme (Collingwood) and Chris Fagan (Hawthorn) hold similar positions at rival clubs, although the best example is probably Neil Craig at Carlton, who was hired to provide guidance for rookie senior coach Brendon Bolton.

Leppitsch has coached just 12 wins from 56 games in charge at the Lions. Brisbane has won just one match this season and sits 17th on the ladder.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/bri...h/news-story/33a0d19912819207842bff1cfa6ec362
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I think keeping Leppa and adding a senior assistant will be subject to the club showing improvement in the second half of the year and winning a few more games. If we can do so Leppa will probably buy himself another year and a senior assistant will be brought in for support. If we continue with our current form, however, Leppa will almost definitely be sacked and we will be on the hunt for a senior assistant coach and a new senior coach.
 
adey115 said:
Example?
If you mean Collingwood, he was sacked at the end of 1995.
If you mean us, he has openly said he finished up because he thought the time was right and that the club needed a new coach because he wasn't coaching well. An element of burnt out.
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Matthews quits as AFL great
1/09/2008 2:24:24 PM; Perth Now
Paul Gough
Sportal

Leigh Matthews says the reason behind his shock decision to quit as Brisbane coach despite a year remaining on his contract was simple - he didn't want to stay on a year too long.

Matthews stunned the Lions by informing the club on Sunday that he wished to end his 10 years in charge of the club - during which time the club became the first since Melbourne in 1957 to win three successive premierships after the man known as 'Lethal' steered the Lions to premierships in 2001, 2002 and 2003.


And this:
http://www.news.com.au/news/voss-eagles-move-in-doubt/story-fna7dq6e-1111117361150
Michael Voss to negotiate with Brisbane Lions
SEPTEMBER 01, 2008 12:00AM
TRIPLE premiership skipper Michael Voss' anticipated arrival at West Coast is in doubt after Leigh Matthews' shock resignation from the Lions.
Voss signed a two-year contract in July to become an assistant coach to John Worsfold at the Eagles but may be enticed to take on the newly vacated coaching position at his former club instead. It is understood Voss was contacted by Brisbane officials shortly after Matthews resigned from the post this morning to discuss his availability for the role.


Leigh had one year left at the Lions and there was talk of developing a transition plan when he surprised pretty much everyone and announced his retirement on the day of the last game for the season. There were no transition plans in place and no structure for going forward.The club went to Voss on the same day and we ended up with an untried coach at any level and we know how that worked out.

I agree that Leigh was probably burnt out but the club wasn't in anyway ready for his retirement. I figure that meant that the board had confidence they still had a year to sort stuff out. At the end of the day he dumped us and I was a bit miffed. And, to my surprise, it seams I still am.
 
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I just don't see that as Leigh "walking away when things got tough".
I see that as him telling the club he was burned to a crisp done, and letting them know as early as possible rather than having a year where he wasn't able to deliver his best, because he felt he was cooked.
And if Vossy was signing a 2 year deal with WC, then any talk of a transition plan that you've mentioned over the next 12 months definitely wasn't involving Vossy given he wasn't going to be at the BL.
Yes Leigh resigned a year before his contract ended, but I view this as no different for example, to when Prestiagiacomo told Collingwood he couldn't play in the 2010 GF the night before because he felt he couldn't deliver. That isn't walking away when things got tough. That is being honest with your employer that you won't be able to do your job properly.

Apart from that, if he was prone to walking away when things got tough, why'd he walk back in when things were bloody tough in October 2013?
 
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Bucking Beads said:
With us scrambling for an Senior Assistant to work with Leppa next season it just shows how the club has once again letdown a rookie coach by not having this in place when he started out.
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Or at the end of his first or second years. At least we have half of this season head-start to find someone.
 

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Bucking Beads said:
With us scrambling for an Senior Assistant to work with Leppa next season it just shows how the club has once again letdown a rookie coach by not having this in place when he started out.
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Yep and it must become a top priority if we make the decision to part ways with Leppa to recruit a senior assistant in addition to a new senior coach and preferably another quality assistant as well so we have two quality assistant coaches to help and support the new senior coach.
 
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