Valleys FC 4Ever
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There's plenty of proof if you aren't biased, which you clearly are.
That chip on your shoulder is showing.
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Expansion Media reaction: SL-NRL expansion vs. AFL two-team expansion plans
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jackmac7
Club Legend
There bitter because they have announced their own expansion and know one cares, everyone's talking AFL expansion. Also I think they are still upset about the AFL practice match (32,000) smashing the A-league pre-liminary final (16,000) on Sunday night.
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Well where is it, Chippy?
Valleys FC 4Ever
Debutant
The FFA is making the two expansion teams jump through a bunch of hoops, where is the money coming from, how will two new teams affect the playing standard of the league, how sustainable are their club programs, juniors etc Very similar to what the NRL did to the Titans before their entry. Once all that is completed they'll formally announced that North Queensland and the Gold Coast will be joining the A-League next season.
The AFL on the other hand has announced that they want two more teams but that's all they've said. We don't have any names, colours, backers, stadiums, juniors, etc, etc ,etc. It's like they are being run by some of the regulars on here.
The only sports news that I've heard people talking about was Queensland's run in the A-League finals before being bundled out, the IPL and the latest Matt Henjack controversy. Then again I live on the GC, not Melbourne, so take that as you will.
ringleader
All Australian
You're the one who made the first accusation that News Ltd papers helped out the NRL. Where is your proof?
There's proof that the AFL do deals with News Ltd to try and promote their inferior product. There's no proof the NRL have ever had to do so.
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News Ltd and PBL (parrt-owner with Foxtel) owns NRL; pure and simple. That's the deal. Done and dusted.
I wonder how you would do deals with yourself to, you know, cover the sport that sold its soul, just to get on the airwaves; just so someone out there may get a chance to read about NRL in this country, 'cos you know, no-one actually goes to the games an' all.
I am asking again: Where is the proof of the AFL in this current $780m deal paying to get coverage?
ringleader
All Australian
Well for a start PBL and Foxtel don't own 1% of the NRL. Shows how much you know.
So do you have some proof?
Proof has been shown that the AFL do deals for stories pretending to be news. You've come up with nothing.
I know the paranoia shown by the RL trolls and Sydney media is funnyBut LOL!at the rest of this thread. Talk about paranoia.
If it will know doubt fail, then why the sensationalists headlines of the AFL taking over etc
Just because the majority of the sports opion pieces are on Football, does not make it positive the majority of stories coming out of the Melbourne media on AFL is negative whether it be players behaving badly, rule changes, etc. whereas the majority if not all the stories on the Storm or the NRL are feel good Puff pieces esp the Herald Sun.
proof?
A genuine question please, Dogs of War (I dont know a lot about the politics of NRL and you seem pretty rational).
How long does the NRL need to get its act together, starting now?
A previous post quoted a news story stating that News Ltd is only halfway thru its 20 year power transfer plan. That means 10 more years of TV rights contracts being well below market price and of having a viper in the NRL HQ nest. In 3 years from now, the next TV Rights contract for the AFL will be up for purchase, and it seems more than likely that it will be above the billion dollar mark. Just in time for the AFL to start throwing absurd amounts of money at West Sydney and the Gold Coast. The AFL already has significant resources being used at grassroots level in West Sydney.
Does the NRL have the resources now, and will it in 3 years, to resist that?
Dogs Of War
Team Captain
From reading a lot about it, there is NO set date for News Ltd's exit. Until then Rugby League will struggle on the handouts that News sees fit to let it have. Once out of it's grip, Rugby League will once again be able to have a good go. On the plus side, at least clubs are learning to live within there means and learning to seek other revenue sources (like starting membership drives on there own, as the NRL won't assist). Actually a change of CEO (Gallop), and getting someone like Peter Holmes a Court in, would make a big difference. Gallop is a News Ltd lackey, he was the head lawyer for News in the Super League war, and although he loves league, I don't think he has the balls to take on his previous employer.
As for the billion dollars, thats a lot of talk, but it doesn't mean it will happen. I think the AFL needs to get Sydney into the finals again, a few soft years for the Swans will see the crowds and TV ratings (not they were awe aspiring anyhow) dip. What I don't understand is how you guys can handle Sydney getting more in there cap to allow them to be successful artificially. The salary cap is suppose to be a level playing field, but AFL's focus on Sydney allows them to have that one extra quality player in there ranks. When West Sydney comes in, will that be 2 clubs that get extra in the salary cap, so you see 2 Sydney clubs in the finals due to the AFL wanting them to be successful at the expense of the other clubs?
As for the billion dollars, thats a lot of talk, but it doesn't mean it will happen. I think the AFL needs to get Sydney into the finals again, a few soft years for the Swans will see the crowds and TV ratings (not they were awe aspiring anyhow) dip. What I don't understand is how you guys can handle Sydney getting more in there cap to allow them to be successful artificially. The salary cap is suppose to be a level playing field, but AFL's focus on Sydney allows them to have that one extra quality player in there ranks. When West Sydney comes in, will that be 2 clubs that get extra in the salary cap, so you see 2 Sydney clubs in the finals due to the AFL wanting them to be successful at the expense of the other clubs?
ringleader
All Australian
Which has nothing to do with PBL or Foxtel. You AFL fans aren't too bright.
WesternSydney
Senior List
I've had this convo more than once with AFL fans, what we see as a cynical way to artificially inflate a teams ladder position at the expense of a level playing field they see as providing a boost to a flegling club to help provide a kick start to their fan base.
Their is merit in what they do, I don't doubt it for a second, but it would leave a bitter taste in my mouth as a fan to see premierships decided by a bigger chequebook.
Handle is possibly not the right word.
That is a very sore point with anyone who is not a Sydney Swans fan. It's possibly the only thing I've ever agreed with Eddie McGuire about.
Dogs Of War
Team Captain
Thats good to hear that it's not all apples as far as other clubs see things. I can already see the AFL forcing another 10 years of uneven playing fields to try and make these clubs successful on the field so they can try and get those in NSW interested. What will be more interesting is what happens when that is taken away and the clubs have a few lean years (as has been shown, Sydney loves winners, and abandons losing teams pretty quickly, just ask the NSW Waratahs all about that).
In 2006, it was possibly the talked about point of all, because the Swans were the reigning Premiers, having knocked off the Eagles. It was at the time that mining boom was REALLY starting to take off over here, which is has subsequently led to an obscene rise in the cost of living in WA.
I don't think there was a club president that didnt rail against the Cost of Living Allowance during the 2006 season.
Come 2007, a Victorian team rampantly led all year and won the flag, Sydney were middle of the table and West Coast's torrid times grabbed all of the off-field limelight. Everybody forgot about the Allowance for a year.
But it still rankles with a lot of non-Swan AFL fans.
If the AFL were to allow a new club in the West Sydney area to have salary cap bonuses without taking away the Cost of Living Allowance, there'll certainly be yelling from the other clubs.
I don't think there was a club president that didnt rail against the Cost of Living Allowance during the 2006 season.
Come 2007, a Victorian team rampantly led all year and won the flag, Sydney were middle of the table and West Coast's torrid times grabbed all of the off-field limelight. Everybody forgot about the Allowance for a year.
But it still rankles with a lot of non-Swan AFL fans.
If the AFL were to allow a new club in the West Sydney area to have salary cap bonuses without taking away the Cost of Living Allowance, there'll certainly be yelling from the other clubs.
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The crucial difference is that the publishers of the Age (Fairfax) have no stake in the AFL.
The publishers of the Daily Telegraph (News Ltd) have a significant stake in league.
Surely this is worth noting.
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Off on a tangent here...
In a pure sporting sense, when you think "Melbourne", you associate it with Australian Football (or whatever 'nickname' you're conditioned to: footy, Aussie rules, 'AFL'), in the same way you equate Lord's to cricket, and Rugby School to rugby union.
I'm not so sure that you can equate Sydney with rugby league, what with the history of rugby union and soccer there.
finders
Norm Smith Medallist
The News owned Herald Sun also push and promote the Storm at all times far in excess to its pathetic supporter base in Melbourne.
finders
Norm Smith Medallist
The latest report from todays SMH.
Kids play out of their league in footy heartland
Michael Cowley | February 23, 2008
HIS eldest son, Kieren, may now be a Sydney Swan, but to footy fans Garry Jack is rugby league.
He was once named the best player in the game, played 20 tests for Australia, and is a member of the Balmain Tigers' Hall of Fame. League was, and still is, his sport, with his other two teenage boys ensconced in the junior game.
However, the former fullback has some serious concerns, and has issued a stern warning to those running the game.
Jack spent seven years post-footy selling real estate in Blacktown. He knows the area well, watched on as the AFL actively worked the region, spending money and spreading its gospel through schools, the community and junior clubs, and he is not surprised by the growth that has prompted the decision to start a new AFL team in the area in 2012.
"The AFL have done a great job, but to be honest rugby league needs to show some leadership here," he said. "We need some leadership there to make sure it is an equal playing field for kids coming through in that area because it's a very unequal playing field and you will lose
a lot of kids to other sports if they don't do something about having kids of different weights playing against each other.
"That is the major problem for junior league, and the game's leaders have stuck their heads in the sand for the past 10 years thinking it's going to go away. It's inequitable to have 35-kilogram kids playing against 75-kilogram kids and think that's a good game. What parent would want their kids involved in that?
"I can see a lot of kids trying other games and not coming back. That Blacktown area is a big heartland for league, and to lose part of it will hurt, but if they leave their heads in the sand, AFL will kick their butt."
The west has been a market the AFL has long targeted. Collingwood has conducted coaching clinics there and Swans players regularly visit schools in the area. It's no longer the other game, the "sissie's game".
In greater Sydney overall, participation last year climbed from 84,109 players to 106,218. In the greater west there has been a 47 per cent increase in participants between 2005 and 2007, with 16,533 involved in the game, almost 8000 of those in primary schools (up 61 per cent since 2005), and 2943 club players (up 20 per cent).
While the numbers are still well behind those of league and football in the area, the AFL is delighted with the growth. Still, the other codes do not seem to be too perturbed.
"The western Sydney region is one of the rugby league's strongest areas and we intend to keep it that way," said the NSWRL general manager, Geoff Carr.
When Matthew Young decided a few years ago he would give football a miss for the winter and try rugby league, his mother Julie was a little hesitant.
Living in rugby league's largest junior stronghold of Penrith, it was not surprising that 10-year-old Matthew wanted to play the "local" game, but his mother was not certain if that was the game for her youngster.
"Matthew had always played soccer but he decided he wanted to switch to rugby league," Mrs Young said. "I was a little bit hesitant because it was much more of a contact sport than soccer, and I wasn't sure about him playing it at his age. Another concern was that while he would be playing against kids of the same age, some could be twice as big as him.
"From a mother's point of view, all those things impact on what you want for your son, and while the kids don't seem to mind it rough, no mother wants to see her child covered in blood or with broken bones after a game."
Unfortunately for Matthew, his mother was kind of lucky. They tried to register for league with a couple of clubs, but both were full.
"He was still keen to play something so we thought maybe AFL. He had done a little bit of that through Auskick, so we got a number and went from there. He joined the Penrith Swans, is loving it, and we haven't looked back since he started playing."
In terms of Jack's weight worries, the NSWRL pointed out that it held the inaugural Weight and Age Championships last year, with students - all similar in size and weight - from 14 Sydney schools competing.
Figures for junior rugby union in their western zone showed a rise of 2 per cent last year with player numbers climbing from 2844 in 2006 to 2917.
A spokesman for NSW Football said that while its sport is not complacent in the west, the figures show soccer continues to thrive in the region, with junior numbers up from 7800 in 2006 to 8800 last year.
Darryl Young is vice-president of football operations with the Penrith Swans, and says he is continually impressed by the numbers joining AFL at a junior level, but added it is not as a result of poaching. "We do rely on the AFL to do a lot of the promotion through Auskick programs and development programs within the schools and that's how a lot of the kids in this region find out about AFL, but what we don't do is try and poach kids from other codes," he said.
"Young kids choose to come to the game."
Kids play out of their league in footy heartland
Michael Cowley | February 23, 2008
HIS eldest son, Kieren, may now be a Sydney Swan, but to footy fans Garry Jack is rugby league.
He was once named the best player in the game, played 20 tests for Australia, and is a member of the Balmain Tigers' Hall of Fame. League was, and still is, his sport, with his other two teenage boys ensconced in the junior game.
However, the former fullback has some serious concerns, and has issued a stern warning to those running the game.
Jack spent seven years post-footy selling real estate in Blacktown. He knows the area well, watched on as the AFL actively worked the region, spending money and spreading its gospel through schools, the community and junior clubs, and he is not surprised by the growth that has prompted the decision to start a new AFL team in the area in 2012.
"The AFL have done a great job, but to be honest rugby league needs to show some leadership here," he said. "We need some leadership there to make sure it is an equal playing field for kids coming through in that area because it's a very unequal playing field and you will lose
a lot of kids to other sports if they don't do something about having kids of different weights playing against each other.
"That is the major problem for junior league, and the game's leaders have stuck their heads in the sand for the past 10 years thinking it's going to go away. It's inequitable to have 35-kilogram kids playing against 75-kilogram kids and think that's a good game. What parent would want their kids involved in that?
"I can see a lot of kids trying other games and not coming back. That Blacktown area is a big heartland for league, and to lose part of it will hurt, but if they leave their heads in the sand, AFL will kick their butt."
The west has been a market the AFL has long targeted. Collingwood has conducted coaching clinics there and Swans players regularly visit schools in the area. It's no longer the other game, the "sissie's game".
In greater Sydney overall, participation last year climbed from 84,109 players to 106,218. In the greater west there has been a 47 per cent increase in participants between 2005 and 2007, with 16,533 involved in the game, almost 8000 of those in primary schools (up 61 per cent since 2005), and 2943 club players (up 20 per cent).
While the numbers are still well behind those of league and football in the area, the AFL is delighted with the growth. Still, the other codes do not seem to be too perturbed.
"The western Sydney region is one of the rugby league's strongest areas and we intend to keep it that way," said the NSWRL general manager, Geoff Carr.
When Matthew Young decided a few years ago he would give football a miss for the winter and try rugby league, his mother Julie was a little hesitant.
Living in rugby league's largest junior stronghold of Penrith, it was not surprising that 10-year-old Matthew wanted to play the "local" game, but his mother was not certain if that was the game for her youngster.
"Matthew had always played soccer but he decided he wanted to switch to rugby league," Mrs Young said. "I was a little bit hesitant because it was much more of a contact sport than soccer, and I wasn't sure about him playing it at his age. Another concern was that while he would be playing against kids of the same age, some could be twice as big as him.
"From a mother's point of view, all those things impact on what you want for your son, and while the kids don't seem to mind it rough, no mother wants to see her child covered in blood or with broken bones after a game."
Unfortunately for Matthew, his mother was kind of lucky. They tried to register for league with a couple of clubs, but both were full.
"He was still keen to play something so we thought maybe AFL. He had done a little bit of that through Auskick, so we got a number and went from there. He joined the Penrith Swans, is loving it, and we haven't looked back since he started playing."
In terms of Jack's weight worries, the NSWRL pointed out that it held the inaugural Weight and Age Championships last year, with students - all similar in size and weight - from 14 Sydney schools competing.
Figures for junior rugby union in their western zone showed a rise of 2 per cent last year with player numbers climbing from 2844 in 2006 to 2917.
A spokesman for NSW Football said that while its sport is not complacent in the west, the figures show soccer continues to thrive in the region, with junior numbers up from 7800 in 2006 to 8800 last year.
Darryl Young is vice-president of football operations with the Penrith Swans, and says he is continually impressed by the numbers joining AFL at a junior level, but added it is not as a result of poaching. "We do rely on the AFL to do a lot of the promotion through Auskick programs and development programs within the schools and that's how a lot of the kids in this region find out about AFL, but what we don't do is try and poach kids from other codes," he said.
"Young kids choose to come to the game."
The most hilarious article today is via Chris Fagan, prominent rugby league historian, which conveniently leaves out the fact that Australian Football was kicked off the fields which rugby was played on in Sydney, destroying its strong financial position away from its birthplace and allowing rugby league to prosper - its nice to see that the "war", as NRL journalists penned it, is fair now.
I love how you're stating that Aussie Rules has been in Sydney for 100 years and RL in Melbourne for only 10.
Rugby League only arrived in Victoria with the Storm, huh?
jackmac7
Club Legend
Have fun Harping on the past while AFL runs over NSW and RL in the next 10 years, huh?
Maybe you should read that article again.
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Mate do some research. There are two forms of rugby, one is rugby league the other rugby union. I will bet you that the people who kicked AR off ovals would be our friends at the rugby union as they have always been a part of the establishment, and would be able to wield such influence.
It is part of their book of dirty tricks. Have a look at the history of rugby union discrimination against RL and it may enlighten you. Start with the union's efforts of banning league from the defence force and major education institutions thus stiffling it's growth. France during the war. South Africa in the 60's. Of course the slur that people only played league for money whilst they played union for the love of the game. The list is endless.
Mate do some research. There are two forms of rugby, one is rugby league the other rugby union. I will bet you that the people who kicked AR off ovals would be our friends at the rugby union as they have always been a part of the establishment, and would be able to wield such influence.
It is part of their book of dirty tricks. Have a look at the history of rugby union discrimination against RL and it may enlighten you. Start with the union's efforts of banning league from the defence force and major education institutions thus stiffling it's growth. France during the war. South Africa in the 60's. Of course the slur that people only played league for money whilst they played union for the love of the game. The list is endless.
