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It was a long day, but we'll actually take a bit out of the game. We were pretty resilient there for a period of time, and we got over run in the end. We'll take some positives from it, as much as it hurts this morning.
Did you let your mind run when you got to two points down (about getting a win)?
We were all in. Even at half time we were three or four players down, but there was a sense of positivity. Our best quarter was our third quarter. There was a lot to like about some of the things that we're doing. In the end we got overwhelmed in the last 15 minutes, Fremantle are a good side and they put their foot down and made us pay in the end. There was a period there where it was a strong chance.
What's the mindset, is there a feeling of helplessness when there's none on the bench?
At half time we did a couple of things, how do we conserve as well as...we were 20 odd points behind. We went down the track of let's just play to win. We did a couple of things, positionally, that we had no choice.
The players stood up. I went down the bench, which I didn't for the first half, and it was more to provide a little bit of support and direction to the young players, but it wasn't really required in the end. They were very, very much dialled in on winning. It didn't really get into the headspace that they couldn't rotate until I reckon halfway through the last, there was above five players looking at the bench saying 'listen how about you give me a chop out and we play 17 for a while'. Just had to say 'nah, nah, you're doing well' doing the old double thumbs up.
The speed of Fremantle, they worked us out eventually. But that resilience; sometimes you don't get the chance to display that publicly as much as you'd like, and I thought we took a step forward in that space.
How many injuries from one game?
It might be seven. We had probably two or three guys that shouldn't have been playing, not to the point that they'd get further damage to the injury, but we just had to leave them out here and hide them as best as we could. You wouldn't have noticed by the effort that they put in.
Liam Ryan was the main one, we still don't quite know what the degree of damage Liam's done...it looks like he did three things at once, it was a very dangerous fall. It's around his back, hamstring area maybe. He came back on for us which was very brave. There were another two guys, we're still waiting on results so I won't declare them, but two guys who will miss between four and eight weeks and they still played.
Cripps injury?
He's broken his ankle, he'll get surgery tomorrow, it's a four month recovery. He'll be out for most, if not all, of the year which is really unfortunate for him. He had a cracking pre-season and he's a very important player for us. Disappointing for him.
McGovern, there's some scans awaiting but that looks like it's going to be a reasonably long term situation.
Luke Shuey is short term, we're hoping, Witherden's a concussion. There's a couple others there.
Shuey - with his history, is there such thing as a minor hamstring?
No one works harder than Luke. If this is to be his last year, it may not be, but he works so hard on being the best version he can be, his preparation and how diligent he's been with his body. And then his performances all season have been first class. We've been playing him down back a little bit, he's provided us some real springboard delivery and he was having probably a best on ground performance for the first 40 minutes of that game. We'll miss him, we'll miss him but it is a minor one believe it or not.
That's the killer for us, everything he does with his hamstrings, they're one or two week injuries. They're barely soft tissue, but they're there. He's hoping it's a short turnaround. We'll keep backing him, keep trying. There's nothing more we can try, we've tried everything the last two years, we get what we get and he knows that.
(On his coaching future) Do you feel secure and supported in what you do?
My situation is a bit more unique [they'd previously asked Bevo], in that this is my tenth year and we identified as a club two years ago that we were going to transition our list and...rebuild, transition, whatever you want to call it. And the question was asked then: am I the right man to take us through the next phase. That involves a different feel than my first eight or nine years.
That means now that we look at our style of play, because it would be foolish to think we just keep rolling out the same direction that we've been using. So I've had to work with some new coaches on where we see the game going, whilst we turn our list over and exit some of our legacy players.
There'll be a time where it's not me anymore, and that's fine, but my brief at the moment is to build the next premiership list. To expose them to where the game is at the moment, and to where the game is going. To do that after being here for eight or nine years is a different feel than getting in a brand new coach and starting from the bottom. I understand my role, I'm up for it and I'm really keen to see it through. But it's not a short term fix, so we've set down some foundations, different staff with different expectations on development and recruitment, and we're starting to build from the bottom.
We're on our way. I'm really happy with some of the things we're doing around the club and what we're seeing, just briefly, on the field is telling me we're on the right path. But it's going to take some time.
On the dissent rule:
I did see that and I wrote it on the board before we played, but I forgot to talk about it and we might have given one away [the Ryan 50m]. You just want consistency. If they're going to call it, call it and we'll adapt. If they pull it out of the blue after you've seen it 20 times, that's the frustrating bit for coaches and players. As long as it's consistent and it's not a new rule of the week, I think we've gone past that. It feels like it's just crept up a bit in the past week.
On the mid season trade period, given the players we've lost:
I find it hard to recommend things for the future. I tried doing that, after we won the premiership I thought I was...y'know...Vince Lombardi there for a little while. Trying to get involved in every AFL rule or direction, and I just realised that I've got a job to do and whatever they decide I'll follow. When it comes to those type of things, I'm taking a back seat on it. Even the Covid situation, the soft cap trying to get that back up and going. I've realised now my job is to coach West Coast and the opinions on the league and where it should be going, as boring as it sounds, I'll leave that to other people.
It was a long day, but we'll actually take a bit out of the game. We were pretty resilient there for a period of time, and we got over run in the end. We'll take some positives from it, as much as it hurts this morning.
Did you let your mind run when you got to two points down (about getting a win)?
We were all in. Even at half time we were three or four players down, but there was a sense of positivity. Our best quarter was our third quarter. There was a lot to like about some of the things that we're doing. In the end we got overwhelmed in the last 15 minutes, Fremantle are a good side and they put their foot down and made us pay in the end. There was a period there where it was a strong chance.
What's the mindset, is there a feeling of helplessness when there's none on the bench?
At half time we did a couple of things, how do we conserve as well as...we were 20 odd points behind. We went down the track of let's just play to win. We did a couple of things, positionally, that we had no choice.
The players stood up. I went down the bench, which I didn't for the first half, and it was more to provide a little bit of support and direction to the young players, but it wasn't really required in the end. They were very, very much dialled in on winning. It didn't really get into the headspace that they couldn't rotate until I reckon halfway through the last, there was above five players looking at the bench saying 'listen how about you give me a chop out and we play 17 for a while'. Just had to say 'nah, nah, you're doing well' doing the old double thumbs up.
The speed of Fremantle, they worked us out eventually. But that resilience; sometimes you don't get the chance to display that publicly as much as you'd like, and I thought we took a step forward in that space.
How many injuries from one game?
It might be seven. We had probably two or three guys that shouldn't have been playing, not to the point that they'd get further damage to the injury, but we just had to leave them out here and hide them as best as we could. You wouldn't have noticed by the effort that they put in.
Liam Ryan was the main one, we still don't quite know what the degree of damage Liam's done...it looks like he did three things at once, it was a very dangerous fall. It's around his back, hamstring area maybe. He came back on for us which was very brave. There were another two guys, we're still waiting on results so I won't declare them, but two guys who will miss between four and eight weeks and they still played.
Cripps injury?
He's broken his ankle, he'll get surgery tomorrow, it's a four month recovery. He'll be out for most, if not all, of the year which is really unfortunate for him. He had a cracking pre-season and he's a very important player for us. Disappointing for him.
McGovern, there's some scans awaiting but that looks like it's going to be a reasonably long term situation.
Luke Shuey is short term, we're hoping, Witherden's a concussion. There's a couple others there.
Shuey - with his history, is there such thing as a minor hamstring?
No one works harder than Luke. If this is to be his last year, it may not be, but he works so hard on being the best version he can be, his preparation and how diligent he's been with his body. And then his performances all season have been first class. We've been playing him down back a little bit, he's provided us some real springboard delivery and he was having probably a best on ground performance for the first 40 minutes of that game. We'll miss him, we'll miss him but it is a minor one believe it or not.
That's the killer for us, everything he does with his hamstrings, they're one or two week injuries. They're barely soft tissue, but they're there. He's hoping it's a short turnaround. We'll keep backing him, keep trying. There's nothing more we can try, we've tried everything the last two years, we get what we get and he knows that.
(On his coaching future) Do you feel secure and supported in what you do?
My situation is a bit more unique [they'd previously asked Bevo], in that this is my tenth year and we identified as a club two years ago that we were going to transition our list and...rebuild, transition, whatever you want to call it. And the question was asked then: am I the right man to take us through the next phase. That involves a different feel than my first eight or nine years.
That means now that we look at our style of play, because it would be foolish to think we just keep rolling out the same direction that we've been using. So I've had to work with some new coaches on where we see the game going, whilst we turn our list over and exit some of our legacy players.
There'll be a time where it's not me anymore, and that's fine, but my brief at the moment is to build the next premiership list. To expose them to where the game is at the moment, and to where the game is going. To do that after being here for eight or nine years is a different feel than getting in a brand new coach and starting from the bottom. I understand my role, I'm up for it and I'm really keen to see it through. But it's not a short term fix, so we've set down some foundations, different staff with different expectations on development and recruitment, and we're starting to build from the bottom.
We're on our way. I'm really happy with some of the things we're doing around the club and what we're seeing, just briefly, on the field is telling me we're on the right path. But it's going to take some time.
On the dissent rule:
I did see that and I wrote it on the board before we played, but I forgot to talk about it and we might have given one away [the Ryan 50m]. You just want consistency. If they're going to call it, call it and we'll adapt. If they pull it out of the blue after you've seen it 20 times, that's the frustrating bit for coaches and players. As long as it's consistent and it's not a new rule of the week, I think we've gone past that. It feels like it's just crept up a bit in the past week.
On the mid season trade period, given the players we've lost:
I find it hard to recommend things for the future. I tried doing that, after we won the premiership I thought I was...y'know...Vince Lombardi there for a little while. Trying to get involved in every AFL rule or direction, and I just realised that I've got a job to do and whatever they decide I'll follow. When it comes to those type of things, I'm taking a back seat on it. Even the Covid situation, the soft cap trying to get that back up and going. I've realised now my job is to coach West Coast and the opinions on the league and where it should be going, as boring as it sounds, I'll leave that to other people.
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Ch7 dont cover any non victorian teams, they doubled down on that since covid.
Who the hell is the 2nd player that played out the game that’s gonna miss 4-8weeks obviously chesser is one of them ??
HoneyBadger35
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The West reporting SPS in a wrist cast so probably him.
Probably SPS the West and some twitter chatter that he had a cast on.
Simmo basically summarising the 7 injuries.
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Bugger for SPS if him, just cementing his place in the side I feel and playing some very good footy
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The West is a ****ing rag. They were dumb campaigners for their Jackson hit piece after two weeks of footy, they’re dumb campaigners for a headline that’s effectively injury trolling, they’re dumb campaigners for hiring Suma and pushing him so bloody hard.
I’m not sure who this paper is for because it’s not for Eagles or Freo fans. Feel bad for the journos sometimes because clearly the editorial staff have decided tabloid is their best avenue to staying relevant.
Agree with the rant, but not above admitting that headline made me chuckle
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It's for the schadenfreude readers of all teams.
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Was that this mornings?
Isn't the ryan hammy chat recent?
Im at work, was it the nightly news?
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They always release tomorrow's back page each night to drum up engagement.
The sort of engagement I'm depriving them of by not ranting in their comments but rather in here with the legends of BigFooty.
Checkmate The West.
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Guessing it’s tomorrow’s paper, the early edition.
The editor is from the Daily Telegraph i.e. The Daily Terror since then it's really just dissolved into a shit rag.
Sadly this is what publications are these days. Basically every headline is there to evoke anger.
Sadly the worst thing to happen to journalism is social media it seems
Specifically the guy who came up with the King Leer headline + front page that saw them successfully sued by Geoffrey Rush. His only goal as a journalist seems to be to win any Best Headline award going.
one of the reasons i assume duffield left the west?
I think they've been shedding a lot of long-term reporters as their contracts came up for renewal. Cheaper to hire someone young and new.
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The staged photo is the icing on the cake.Nothing will ever beat this piece of imortalised literature:
While the West has always been a rag, the descent to the bottom has been sped up since Jakeb Waddell came on board as sports editor. He's a bloke in his mid-20s who lacks the experience and nous for the role, and he is completely out of his depth. He basically went from editing the South West Times to Sports Editor of the West. Anyone who's been a journo knows that the difference between community reporting/editing and the 'mainstream' is absolutely chalk and cheese. For context, the previous editor Nick Rynne (while not immune from some horrific editorial decisions including 'NicNat carries a box' and 'Dirty Pies') had a pretty industrious career as a journo and editor, and had some serious miles under his belt before suiting up as the Sports Editor.
With Duffield gone and a kid running the show, it's hard to see things improving
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