Vic Melbourne's Sudanese gangs

[Frank Bunn]

Another shocking incident this week.

Ms Menzel, 57, told The Age on Tuesday she was woken by a loud bang and was confronted by teenagers, armed with a gun, who had smashed their way into their home.

Her husband Mr Menzel said the teenagers used a sledgehammer and axe from their garage to smash their back window and threatened Ms Menzel at gunpoint, demanding she hand over her car keys.

"They shake up everything, look everywhere, open drawers, and suddenly asked my missus for keys for the car," Mr Menzel said.

"They had a gun on her. [They said], ‘If you start screaming, we shoot you’."​

https://www.theage.com.au/national/...-invasion-in-city-s-west-20181128-p50iwy.html

 

[parsons nose]

Another shocking incident this week.

Ms Menzel, 57, told The Age on Tuesday she was woken by a loud bang and was confronted by teenagers, armed with a gun, who had smashed their way into their home.

Her husband Mr Menzel said the teenagers used a sledgehammer and axe from their garage to smash their back window and threatened Ms Menzel at gunpoint, demanding she hand over her car keys.

"They shake up everything, look everywhere, open drawers, and suddenly asked my missus for keys for the car," Mr Menzel said.

"They had a gun on her. [They said], ‘If you start screaming, we shoot you’."​

https://www.theage.com.au/national/...-invasion-in-city-s-west-20181128-p50iwy.html

Please stop posting these things. You’re making me scared to go out to a restaurant.

 

[Kurve]

You can't say Victoria isn't serious about these home invasions, just yesterday. Time's up I think.

(I wont insert their pics but they are in this thread: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...suspects-in-home-invasion-a-new-turn.1209548/ One of them looks like my favourite character in Orange is the New Black.)


PHOTO: Police supplied pictures of the three youths. (Supplied: Victoria Police)


Victorian police searching for three teenagers believed to have been involved in an aggravated home invasion earlier this month have been granted permission by the Children's Court to release their names and pictures.

Detective Acting Inspector Brett Kahan said police had been searching for the three boys since "a particularly concerning" break-in at 5:40am on November 17 in Wyndham Vale in Melbourne's west.

The victims of the incident were elderly and faced demands for their car, using "weapons sourced from the house", he said.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/...ndham-vale-home-invasion-20181126-p50ihy.html

 

[Generalissimo]

Another shocking incident this week.

Ms Menzel, 57, told The Age on Tuesday she was woken by a loud bang and was confronted by teenagers, armed with a gun, who had smashed their way into their home.

Her husband Mr Menzel said the teenagers used a sledgehammer and axe from their garage to smash their back window and threatened Ms Menzel at gunpoint, demanding she hand over her car keys.

"They shake up everything, look everywhere, open drawers, and suddenly asked my missus for keys for the car," Mr Menzel said.

"They had a gun on her. [They said], ‘If you start screaming, we shoot you’."​

https://www.theage.com.au/national/...-invasion-in-city-s-west-20181128-p50iwy.html

Election's over and you lost. Scaremongering is pointless now, and never worked in the first place.

 

[Frank Bunn]

You can't say Victoria isn't serious about these home invasions, just yesterday. Time's up I think.

(I wont insert their pics but they are in this thread: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...suspects-in-home-invasion-a-new-turn.1209548/ One of them looks like my favourite character in Orange is the New Black.)


PHOTO: Police supplied pictures of the three youths. (Supplied: Victoria Police)


Victorian police searching for three teenagers believed to have been involved in an aggravated home invasion earlier this month have been granted permission by the Children's Court to release their names and pictures.

Detective Acting Inspector Brett Kahan said police had been searching for the three boys since "a particularly concerning" break-in at 5:40am on November 17 in Wyndham Vale in Melbourne's west.

The victims of the incident were elderly and faced demands for their car, using "weapons sourced from the house", he said.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/...ndham-vale-home-invasion-20181126-p50ihy.html

It looks like they arrested one more member of the violent gang.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/...-invasion-in-city-s-west-20181128-p50iwy.html

 

[TimmeT]

It's a shame because most of the Sudanese youth are good kids and they love their basketball. But there's a significant element among the community who have no respect for the law.

The last tournament was associated with dozens of youths of African appearance going on on a rampage at St Kilda beach, assaulting and robbing beachgoers then trashing a local McDonald’s.

Following the tournament there was also a wild riot at a party in Werribee.

Neighbours say up to 40 youths from the house started roaming the streets, throwing rocks and smashing cars.

Neighbour Chantelle said the youths were wearing basketball jerseys and police were clearly outnumbered.

“As soon as they started throwing rocks at the police they thought they could do anything and it started getting worse,” she said, adding there had been troubles a night earlier.

“They treat it as a game,” Chantelle said of the rioters.

“They knew there were issues the night before; why would they only send two police officers to start with?” Kristy asked.

It’s understood two gangs of African youths, one known as Westside Crew and another as Menace to Society, were involved in the riot.​

https://thewest.com.au/news/crime/rocks-thrown-at-cops-in-vic-airbnb-party-ng-s-1811596

There is a reason restrictions get placed on this tournament from external parties which don't get placed on other associations organising tournaments. There have been regular and repeated instances of the venue getting shit stolen from its cafe, venue getting damaged, people turning up who were known to cause trouble in the past, booze being bought to the event despite a ban, weapons being carried, issues after the events in the surrounds, fights in the carpark plus all other well known issues such as the McDonalds riots/fight, the airbnb party and the stabbing at the game.

None of this stuff happens at other basketball events and thus it is reasonable that it gets treated like it has been.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Please stop posting these things. You’re making me scared to go out to a restaurant.

Been out to eat in St Kilda lately?

St Kilda traders fear violence could grow worse along the popular foreshore this summer unless the council introduces a 24-hour alcohol ban.

The warning follows a night of violence involving dozens of youths on Jacka Boulevard on Saturday night.

Three men were injured, including one who was taken to hospital after being kicked in the head, as violence spread over the foreshore.

Acting Superintendent Langhorn said while there were many groups along the foreshore on Saturday night due to the warm weather, there was one group of 30 to 40 African-Australian youths who began fighting among themselves.

Saturday night's brawl comes a month after a group of youths attacked an employee of Donovans restaurant in the same area, and two weeks after riot police were called to calm youth violence in the area.​

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/...wl-at-st-kilda-foreshore-20181202-p50jne.html

 

[Generalissimo]

Election's over and you lost. Scaremongering about brown people is pointless now, and never worked in the first place.

 

[armpit]

Election's over and you lost. Scaremongering about brown people is pointless now, and never worked in the first place.

If you don'y mind me saying so, that's a pretty limp response re the subject. It's not really a political problem, it's a social problem. It's got nothing to do with the outcome of little election, has it?

This use of brown people messes with my head. Who are these brown people you so describe. Seems like massive obfuscation. I'd be pissed if I was an indigenous fellow. They are the brown people people by description and yet they are not the ones running around in large groups creating social fear. Far from it. They never have. So who are brown people you are talking about? Can you find a more accurate descriptor?

I guess that is the difference between most other violent crimes australia experiences. It's the numbers of them, not the random action of an individual.

 

[Maggie5]

If you don'y mind me saying so, that's a pretty limp response re the subject. It's not really a political problem, it's a social problem. It's got nothing to do with the outcome of little election, has it?

This use of brown people messes with my head. Who are these brown people you so describe. Seems like massive obfuscation. I'd be pissed if I was an indigenous fellow. They are the brown people people by description and yet they are not the ones running around in large groups creating social fear. Far from it. They never have. So who are brown people you are talking about? Can you find a more accurate descriptor?

I guess that is the difference between most other violent crimes australia experiences. It's the numbers of them, not the random action of an individual.

The LNP both State and Federal made it a political problem, further as each isolated incident occurs, the current Victorian government is blamed.

Sadly it has become a political problem and is used a a tool of fear. What purpose does it achieve to continually highlight these offences?

It is a social problem with the youth named in the thread title but is it any worse than other youth groups?

 

[CM86]

If you don'y mind me saying so, that's a pretty limp response re the subject. It's not really a political problem, it's a social problem. It's got nothing to do with the outcome of little election, has it?

This use of brown people messes with my head. Who are these brown people you so describe. Seems like massive obfuscation. I'd be pissed if I was an indigenous fellow. They are the brown people people by description and yet they are not the ones running around in large groups creating social fear. Far from it. They never have. So who are brown people you are talking about? Can you find a more accurate descriptor?

I guess that is the difference between most other violent crimes australia experiences. It's the numbers of them, not the random action of an individual.

It's interesting that you make a point of distinguishing the Sudanese from the Indigenous.

It wasn't all that long ago the fear campaign was about the Aboriginal gangs and their disproportionate rates of crime.

"No go zones" due to Aboriginal crime waves.

Different race, same tactic.

 

[go you pups]

There is a reason restrictions get placed on this tournament from external parties which don't get placed on other associations organising tournaments. There have been regular and repeated instances of the venue getting shit stolen from its cafe, venue getting damaged, people turning up who were known to cause trouble in the past, booze being bought to the event despite a ban, weapons being carried, issues after the events in the surrounds, fights in the carpark plus all other well known issues such as the McDonalds riots/fight, the airbnb party and the stabbing at the game.

None of this stuff happens at other basketball events and thus it is reasonable that it gets treated like it has been.

Yeah hard to argue there

If the organisers can't control their crowd after the tournament then safest for the local neighbourhoods is for it not to go ahead unfortunately

That airbnb getting gate crashed in Werribee after the tournament was disgraceful last time around

A shame for the players though that a few individuals with no respect for the law wreck things for them

 

[cartwright]

Yeah hard to argue there

If the organisers can't control their crowd after the tournament then safest for the local neighbourhoods is for it not to go ahead unfortunately

That airbnb getting gate crashed in Werribee after the tournament was disgraceful last time around

A shame for the players though that a few individuals with no respect for the law wreck things for them

Was that the incident, when those players were from Sydney?

 

[sherb]

If you don'y mind me saying so, that's a pretty limp response re the subject. It's not really a political problem, it's a social problem. It's got nothing to do with the outcome of little election, has it?

There are plenty of social problems. How about ice and DV for two others?

Yet the "black people" one is the one being discussed here and was the one highlighted by certain media outlets and politicians.

You can connect the dots.

 

[go you pups]

Was that the incident, when those players were from Sydney?

My understanding was a few 17yo Sudanese girls booked an airbnb on the same day as the tournament within walking distance of the venue under an alias

The word got around at the tournament that it'd be an after party to gatecrash within the wrong sorts (obviously these girls knew some people who was at the tournament, be it players or fans, most likely fans/spectators), so a large group of them (word was 40-50) got together and walked over there trashing the place and a few cars on the street the airbnb was.

A shame for the organisers and players, but why should local neighbourhoods potentially be trashed if everyone doesn't go home afterwards? I see it as a reactionary precautionary method, but unfortunately it's safest for these local neighbourhoods currently.

 

[TimmeT]

Was that the incident, when those players were from Sydney?

Neg that was the one at St Kilda.

 

[kranky al]

This guy:

Forcefully recruited as a child soldier, escaped, made his way to australia, studied hard, became a pharmacist and now this:

https://www.geraldtonguardian.com.a...dton-man-stops-teenage-wedding-ng-b881035080z


The guy works tirelessly for charity - is an absolute pillar of the community.

 

[fleabitten]

I've been to the Summer Slam a couple of times and it's definitely a shame that it's not happening, but the blame lies completely with the dickheads causing trouble.

I think organizers blaming "fear-mongering" is the wrong response. Locals are right to be fearful based on the previous behaviour of a significant portion of the attendees. The blame lies entirely with the trouble-making element of the community and those that just want to watch/play basketball should be condemning those ****wits in the strongest possible terms, not claiming discrimination. It's actually a bit infuriating to read comments like "stadium managers are afraid to host our event because of the African gang stories they see in the news"....dude, they didn't have to read the news. They saw what happened last time. Stop trying to pretend it's just the racist media and own the problem.

 

[go you pups]

I've been to the Summer Slam a couple of times and it's definitely a shame that it's not happening, but the blame lies completely with the dickheads causing trouble.

I think organizers blaming "fear-mongering" is the wrong response. Locals are right to be fearful based on the previous behaviour of a significant portion of the attendees. The blame lies entirely with the trouble-making element of the community and those that just want to watch/play basketball should be condemning those *******s in the strongest possible terms, not claiming discrimination. It's actually a bit infuriating to read comments like "stadium managers are afraid to host our event because of the African gang stories they see in the news"....dude, they didn't have to read the news. They saw what happened last time. Stop trying to pretend it's just the racist media and own the problem.

I do find there's a level of bias in some media outlets that gives these guys an undeserved bad rep and that these outlets should balance their news and report on the good they do also. But yep this one has nothing to do with a media/political agenda from the right that they can't host it, purely goes to what happened after last time.

Control your spectators

 

[FireKrakouer]

Do we know what these "unfair obstacles" that the venues were putting up actually are? Did they just want the organisers to pay for proper security?

 

[fleabitten]

Do we know what these "unfair obstacles" that the venues were putting up actually are? Did they just want the organisers to pay for proper security?

From the article:

notifying neighbours about the tournament, paying for buses to and from the event for all players, restricting play to daytime hours, holding a half-day grand final and limiting crowd numbers.

Those are just council requirements, but they seem reasonable enough under the circumstances.

Love the headline of the ABC article. "Fear of African gang violence blamed for cancellation of Melbourne basketball events". It wasn't canceled because of fear, it was canceled because of the actual violence that happened last time. Headline should be "Spectator violence blamed for cancellation of Melbourne basketball events".

 

[TimmeT]

From the article:


Those are just council requirements, but they seem reasonable enough under the circumstances.

Love the headline of the ABC article. "Fear of African gang violence blamed for cancellation of Melbourne basketball events". It wasn't canceled because of fear, it was canceled because of the actual violence that happened last time. Headline should be "Spectator violence blamed for cancellation of Melbourne basketball events".

This is absolutely correct. Am well aware of some who were not Sudanese being given police assistance to get to their cars after the last one because of the issues in the car park. There was also a strong recommendation that people might wait a while to leave the venue as well to avoid getting mixed up with it.

I've been to the Summer Slam a couple of times and it's definitely a shame that it's not happening, but the blame lies completely with the dickheads causing trouble.

I think organizers blaming "fear-mongering" is the wrong response. Locals are right to be fearful based on the previous behaviour of a significant portion of the attendees. The blame lies entirely with the trouble-making element of the community and those that just want to watch/play basketball should be condemning those *******s in the strongest possible terms, not claiming discrimination. It's actually a bit infuriating to read comments like "stadium managers are afraid to host our event because of the African gang stories they see in the news"....dude, they didn't have to read the news. They saw what happened last time. Stop trying to pretend it's just the racist media and own the problem.

Completely wrong way for the management of the tournament to put it. If they want to get attacked more for blatantly lying about the reasons the event was cancelled by the Wyndham City Council then they should keep going down that path. There is a load of evidence which will clearly contradict their cliams. These claims are divisive and will do nothing to get the locals or those who are unsure how they feel about Sudanese orientated event on side with the tournament.

Do we know what these "unfair obstacles" that the venues were putting up actually are? Did they just want the organisers to pay for proper security?

A better way of explaining this is that they have been asked to organise and manage a number of elements of the tournament which wouldn't normally be needed or required due to the actions of some at previous tournaments. This is again the tournament management blaming the council and venue for being spoil sports and ridiculous when what they have done is acted on the behaviour and events of past tournaments in order to resolve them and eliminate them from reooccuring.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

The real problem here is that people allowed to lease AirBnB houses in Werribee for a night. I'd love to speak to the neighbours about what it's like living next to one of those things. We probably only hear about it when it's rented out by Sudanese, but I can only imagine the filth that would want to rent a place in Werribee. Probably a full time shagging pad for bucks parties and lads weekends.

No sympathy for the owners of the house, hope they get no compensation and have to pay for the damages to the rest of the street as well. I bet they rented that house knowing full well what was going to happen.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

The real problem here is that people allowed to lease AirBnB houses in Werribee for a night. I'd love to speak to the neighbours about what it's like living next to one of those things. We probably only hear about it when it's rented out by Sudanese, but I can only imagine the filth that would want to rent a place in Werribee. Probably a full time shagging pad for bucks parties and lads weekends.

No sympathy for the owners of the house, hope they get no compensation and have to pay for the damages to the rest of the street as well. I bet they rented that house knowing full well what was going to happen.

already happening

people living in docklands have been complaining owners of the empty apartments are airbnb'ing them to teenagers to host open house parties. not just occasionally either, but some are multiple times a week. property damage, drugs, harassment from loaded kids....

most not black though, so no great issue (except the people living in the building)

 

[red+black]

https://www.news.com.au/news/nation...a/news-story/01f5c64dd8b35148169ed59a489dbdcf

Possibly a bit harsh that the article has called the African lawyer a "campaigner", anyway, I heard the mother of one of the victims on the radio tonight. Pretty bad what happened to him and his mates, what's arguably worse is that one of the 3 of them flagged down two police cars, explained what happened, and neither wanted to get involved. Apparently a 3rd party in a car had to call 000 and only then would police come and do anything. Apparently the paramedics were fantastic, but the police were ****ing hopeless.