Coach Men's Senior Coach: Brad Scott

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I don't love hearing him talking about the effort being up to scratch - makes me think he might not be making too many changes.
 

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bombreys said:
I don't love hearing him talking about the effort being up to scratch - makes me think he might not be making too many changes.
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I’ve mentioned it before but the tackle numbers suggest the effort was there and they simply got outplayed by a faster, tougher midfield.
 
First thing I would do is smash that bloody computer that he stares at continuously, during a match into a million pieces.

Second thing is tell him to get his arse down on boundary and coach from there, and either encourage/explain to the young guys what they are doing right/wrong and eyeball the senior players and tell them to pull their finger out or else.
 
Maybe he could give out a few of these as they come off too for good measure.

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bombreys said:
I don't love hearing him talking about the effort being up to scratch - makes me think he might not be making too many changes.
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Be ready because I do not think he will . Reason being there where probably two blokes who put there hand up in the VFL. Hayes and Roberts. I have no issue with either getting a game but the problem is you could hardly blame the back half for the total failure of the midfield and Rozee / JHF / Butters running over us. Would be nice to see more of a response for sure but I can not see it coming based on the last VFL game.
 
ant555 said:
Be ready because I do not think he will . Reason being there where probably two blokes who put there hand up in the VFL. Hayes and Roberts. I have no issue with either getting a game but the problem is you could hardly blame the back half for the total failure of the midfield and Rozee / JHF / Butters running over us. Would be nice to see more of a response for sure but I can not see it coming based on the last VFL game.
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Agreed, think it’s just going to be Tsatas and Duz for Archie and Setters.

Maybe Roberts for Hobbs? I’m not sure. I don’t want to see Hobbs dropped, but I also think he (Scott) probably needs to drop at least 1 player following an 11 goal loss, as limited as the replacement options are.

I’d even like to see Roberts and Hayes just listed as emergencies - give them a bit of confidence and let them know they’re close.
 

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bombreys said:
Agreed, think it’s just going to be Tsatas and Duz for Archie and Setters.

Maybe Roberts for Hobbs? I’m not sure. I don’t want to see Hobbs dropped, but I also think he (Scott) probably needs to drop at least 1 player following an 11 goal loss, as limited as the replacement options are.

I’d even like to see Roberts and Hayes just listed as emergencies - give them a bit of confidence and let them know they’re close.
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Think Setters would be unlucky. Had a crap game for sure but it was first game back after a little injury and he has generally been pretty good. I think it will be Durham in Perkins out. From there I hope they can find a spot for Roberts. If Hayes gets in for one of Laverde or Cox I have no issue but both would be a bit stiff as it was not really their games that lost it for us.
Tsatas probably did enough but I want to see him playing midfield and not wing.
 
bombreys said:
Port are better, but they're not 70 points in 3 quarters better.

The effort fell off quite a bit after quarter time.
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How do you figure that out? Did you watch the game? Did you look up any stats before spewing this crap?

We could not match it with their midfield, it's more or less down to that. If a side can just run the ball out of the contest despite the best efforts of the opposition they will score heavily.
 
ant555 said:
Think Setters would be unlucky. Had a crap game for sure but it was first game back after a little injury and he has generally been pretty good. I think it will be Durham in Perkins out. From there I hope they can find a spot for Roberts. If Hayes gets in for one of Laverde or Cox I have no issue but both would be a bit stiff as it was not really their games that lost it for us.
Tsatas probably did enough but I want to see him playing midfield and not wing.
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Think someone else has said it but Setters agitated the knee again, otherwise definitely stays in for me
 
Old Campaigner said:
How do you figure that out? Did you watch the game? Did you look up any stats before spewing this crap?

We could not match it with their midfield, it's more or less down to that. If a side can just run the ball out of the contest despite the best efforts of the opposition they will score heavily.
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What are you talking about?

What part is crap? You think Port are a 70 point better side than us? Or you think our effort was as good in q2-4 as it was in q1?
 

Why legendary Bomber is not sold on ‘forced’ Essendon game style

Tim Watson is still not sold on the 'Essendon edge'.
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“To me, playing like they want to play is the non-negotiable in the game,” (Tim) Watson told SEN Breakfast.

“That’s what everybody should be doing; playing like that and should have that competitive stamina, contest in, contest out, week in, week out, quarter in, quarter out.”

“I don’t think that they have produced a list of players, or, enough of (their players) have been chosen that have that competitive edge in the way they play naturally,” he claimed.

“You’ve got to force them to play (that way). The only way you can force them is exactly what we were talking about before with Damien Hardwick and what he’s trying to introduce there at the Gold Coast Suns.

“That’s why I think there’s a fluctuation in performance and aggression and competitiveness within that group.”
 
BrunoV said:
So the starting point for the Edge is Tsatas, Gresham and Duursma?

Makes perfect sense to me.

No, I rubbish the suggestion that Essendon prioritising other aspects of its game is part of a well thought out plan to bring the Edge out of the players. The Edge is the starting point and yet it took 16 to 18 months to mention? If you're looking at how to turn Essendon into a good club, you start with the Edge. If that means temporarily worse results, so be it. But Essendon never does that and it's not building the foundation first this time either. All of this bullshit about professionalism has diverted focus from where it should be - the reality that Essendon choses to play a team which is not capable of playing modern football. Just quickly, on the topic, can someone remind me of the nature of Guelfi's transgression last year? Where does that rank, in addition to giving a quantifiably hopeless player game time, in terms of setting standards?

You know what this approach is consistent with? Tinkering around the edges and leaving us without the room to effect real change that is characteristic of the post 2016 era.

You do realise that if you bring in players who are not 'hard' / do not have the Edge it necessarily means there are fewer spots for players who have the Edge. You'll say you do but in all these years I've been saying you can't just sign quality, unless you get the balance right, because it never correct itself, you revert to support for signing quality absent any consideration for balance. Every single time.
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Starting with Tsatas. Your view is 1 +1=3. Scott had no time to have any real plan for the FA / Trade / Draft period . He was appointed about 8 weeks before hand and he did not doo a deep dive into the list or the club for that matter. He was named coach on September 30. At that stage all he really could do was watch replays of how we played and some vision of under 18 stuff. Yes he could have a discussion with the recruiters and yes he could outline his views on game style. The info I have is yes line breaking speed was on thing we needed. Another was burst impact from a power athlete around clearance. (hence Jake Stringer being trained up as more of a power athlete and not a midfield runner). At the end of the day what I was told Scott outlined his thoughts on game style but it was those who spent the whole year watching that would make the final call. The final call was from RFK who thought Tsatas had the most upside and an ability to develop into a player with outside pace but also in time an ability to power from the inside as well. Right call or wrong call it was 1000000000000% not Scott picking Tsatas.

You can rubbish it. That is fine. The fact is the key players in all of this have not had 16 to 18 months. The bloke that Scott answers to started In December 20 2022 with the brief of fixing the football department so that rules out him making any major changes 18 months ago to the list. He has had 1 Trade / FA / Draft period.
So we get to Gresham and Duursma. No edge you say but what is edge ? is it just blokes who love playing physical football ? Maybe it is when you look at it. That is fine. For me edge is a lot of stuff. Physical players. Outside players who can run all day so they train at the level to maximize their ability. Players that come in and play their role.
So what is really wrong with bringing in a bloke who can run up and down the wing all day and cover 15km every week and play a role in the team defense ?

What is wrong with a Gresham type who can kick 35 odd goals and play his role despite him not being a physical animal ?
You bring in players who can play a role. They can give you something you do not have. They do not all have to be hard. How many "hard" players did the Pies have to win their flag ? how many of them hard "hard" edge ? or did a percentage of them have and edge by being able to play a role. To run all day on the outside.

Yes we need to find some more "hard" edge players for sure. Yes I agree we tinkered with the edges brining in the blokes we did. Gresham and Duursma alone are not going to change a lot other than bring a skill set to one apsect of the game which both are an upgrade. Bit of finishing class as a forward and some endurance run on a wing given they want to play Durham on the inside to actually add some hard edge on the inside.

You see edge as just someone who goes hard. I see edge differently and it comes from my experience on the coaching side of things. As an assistant / development coach (Div 1 side) I worked on trying to show the kids how to get an edge on several fronts and it was not just running through brick walls and being hard. It was maximizing their own level be that hard inside or outside run or in the case of the kids with limited attributes to just be better than the bloke on the other side with limited attributes by pushing yourself 5% more or 10% more. You do not have to be better than all of the opposition. You just have to be better than where you started from and the oppositions 18th best player or 2oth best player.
That is what edge is to me. Would I like more hard edge. Yes. Would I like more leadership edge. Yes. Am I going to blow up because we got a couple of guys who are not really hard edge but do have other attributes. No. You can that is fine. You can draw all the conclusions you want to. That is fine. You may even be right but that is not my opinion now.
BrunoV said:
How does the Edge get implemented from full forward? This is a very specific problem which relates to the intensity and capacity of the mid and small players. It has nothing to do with KPPs, that's not their role.

Everything I've read indicates that Robert's strengths are that of a rebounding defender. His physicality and defensive craft are supposed to be his weaknesses. It's a bit difficult to otherwise understand how a guy with his athletic profile, size (184cm certainly doesn't not preclude him from running rules that being a midget might), skill and pedigree otherwise fell all that way down the list. He was 2 x Vic Metro rep and All Australian. It's a long way for a complete player to fall. Sure it can happen, I suppose.

Lual's competitiveness seems to be a strength.

So I guess the Edge is coming along nicely. We start by adding more edgeless senior players and we'll see what happens with the young full forward. Maybe Caddy is a midfield bull in the making. I guess a mature Caddy might be able to play in the centre while the pissants are being belted out of the middle. Can't categorically rule it out.

I'm also concerned about Lual, he may be one of those trouble maker rookies we have to clear out because they are the ones holding the club back.

Gresham had a first hand look at Ross who has preferred Jack Higgins to play the specialist Joe the Goose role. It's hardly a ringing endorsement. It's also testament to a long time obsession of a certain former list manager who is only responsible for contracts these days.
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How do you get edge from FF ? Okay I have an advantage. I saw the match SIM all through Jan / Feb where Caddy was not just FF but also attacking contests right up the wing. Going hard at the footy. Producing second and third efforts and pressure when he did not win the footy in the air. You have not really had the chance to see it as he got injured ( attacking a contest in match sim hard) and has had full VFL game. No practice match. He has plenty of hard edge and he likes to play that way. He can make a very big impact on the edge of the side when the opposition are worried when he comes up behind them in a contest. It is not simply a midfield thing.

On top of that Scott knows they needed more strength in the middle which is why he played Perkins there last year despite his clearance work not really being up to it. It is why Durham has been given a role. I am not totally on your page here. Yes I would like another big bloke who can play a bit in the mix but they have looked at beefing up the midfield.

Now we get to Roberts. The knock on him was never competitor and not attacking the contest. The knock was he was a bit on the weedy side and lacked a bit of strength and his one on one defending was not great. He was never looked at as someone who was a bit soft. He was looked at as someone who if he built up the body a bit he would be a very good player. Again having seen the match sim and the VFL live he has not issues with the contest and getting in and winning the footy. He is not just an outside distributor.

Not sure what you are trying to say about Lual but anyway his downfall will be his scrappy kicking at times. Otherwise he has enough competitor in him and line breaking speed to take the game on. He goes when he has to.

So we get back to the edge. I guess if you just think edge is playing hard inside then you are not buying anything. That's okay. Personally I would have liked some more hard inside players. I would have liked a Pickett over a Gresham. However my view is you just have to build parts where you can build them.

The other part is Scott is only one name. Yes he is the coach and gets a say on the players he may get but we also have Vozza as the guy he answers to and he is not a X Campbell. His specific brief is football department and he is the guy who was list manager when the Eagles won a flag on the back of a balance of inside grunt and classy outside run. he has a couple of fellow Eagles with him in key roles. He is a bloke Scott can not bluff as he has been around and seen it all.

We will not agree and people may think it is a bit wishy washy but my view is I am not going to jump up and down now based on the limited time. You say ' well they have had 18 months" but 18 months is not long enough to build anything in AFL land when you are at the starting point we are. I have always said that it will be the end of this season and this FA/Trade/Draft period before I start lining it up. You want to jump early. Good for you. You may be right.
 
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