Traded Michael Hibberd [traded to Melbourne with pick 59 for picks 29 and 68]

[Rack Watts]

It will be done on the final day, they have no bargaining power. Hibberd is contracted, if they don't want to give us what's fair, then he's ours in 2017. Great message to send too IMO.

 

[BigBen_JRC]

I love how the Demons fans want Hibberd now but state Essendon are hard to deal with by offering next years pick. Wake up to yourselves

 

[Rack Watts]

So then u keep him
Win win

Agree, Hibberd is a gun. I'd prefer he stayed for the season, if you don't want to cough up.

 

[Gumbo]

I disagree
Im no lawyet but no contract is exempt from breach
While i agree regarding we took the risk with the Melksham trade we dont have to with Hibberd.. thats my point we dont habe to cough up anythng.
Hibberd wants to come to.the dees becasue we can offer him.morr financial security etc (bigger pay day for short).... if essendon want to hold up that then they'll need to compensate Hibberd.

If he doesn't sign an extension for 2018 then Hibberd is a fa and can essentially walk.
Thus taking away our buyer risk this year which is my point. Why should we over pay when we can wait a yr and see what happens

You're saying he could be a restricted free agent next year?
I'm saying there is no chance he could be a dfa this year. What do you disagree with?

 

[Jade]

If he doesn't sign an extension for 2018 then Hibberd is a fa and can essentially walk.
Thus taking away our buyer risk this year which is my point. Why should we over pay when we can wait a yr and see what happens

Learn the rules.

No he isn't it.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Who cares... it'll happen both sides trying to do whats best for them and someone will blink on a pretty fair deal either way.

 

[Fyfe2Shenton]

I came here out of morbid curiosity... Big mistake! Essendon fans are insufferable.

Good luck Melbourne.

 

[SterlingArcher]

Fair trade?

He's worth pick 20-23ish. You guys are lucky we've even entertained your current second. Melksham deal has nothing to do with this. Just because you've stuffed up in the past doesn't mean Essendon have to one up you.

Reality:
We both agree he's worth a second. We want the second this year because we intend to draft 3 players this season, and would rather our last selection be 31 rather than 41.
You don't have a first rounder this year, so you want to stay in the draft with your second rounder. Literally all it is.

Both clubs looking out for themselves. One will fold. Cry about the other all you like but that is the reality.

If you aren't going to use 41, you could throw that Melbourne's way to get the 2016 2nd rounder?

If it's a deadlock adding in something like that that wouldn't affect Essendon too much if using only 3 proper picks (especially because rookie picks etc can be dealt with pick 100 odd etc) but may help Dees across the line.

Dees/Bombers thoughts?

 

[SterlingArcher]

I came here out of morbid curiosity... Big mistake! Essendon fans are insufferable.

Good luck Melbourne.

Really? Not much wrong on their end in here. If Essendon is hard to deal with because they are haggling over which years 2nd rounder to give, logic dictates so is Melbourne for doing the same thing. If it doesn't get worked out, Hibberd is contracted at Essendon for 2017.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

If you aren't going to use 41, you could throw that Melbourne's way to get the 2016 2nd rounder?

Would prefer to keep it and package it with something else to get an additional pick somewhere else.

 

[SterlingArcher]

Would prefer to keep it and package it with something else to get an additional pick somewhere else.

I personally don't think it would get much with you guys already having 1, 20, 31 (in this scenario) and 59.

Picks are too far apart to be of any value for teams downgrading (my opinion is teams wouldn't care for 41 if it was a package of say pick 16 to pick 20 and 41, nor would 59 be enough to downgrade say 35 to 40) and the academy teams (Brisbane, GWS, GC in particular) seemingly will have bulk points to grab who they need.

It'd be interesting to see but personally reckon something like that could work. Obviously harder to work out for your list though because it seems like you have a lot of fill-ins and rookies you will want to re-list/upgrade after impressive years, hard to predict how many list spots exactly will be available (at least for a non-Essendon fan).

 

[Schraderbrau]

a little bird told me that essendon should do the right thing by Hibberd given what they've put him through

 

[Jade]

a little bird told me that essendon should do the right thing by Hibberd given what they've put him through

Pray tell, what is the right thing?

 

[Fyfe2Shenton]

Really? Not much wrong on their end in here. If Essendon is hard to deal with because they are haggling over which years 2nd rounder to give, logic dictates so is Melbourne for doing the same thing. If it doesn't get worked out, Hibberd is contracted at Essendon for 2017.

They injected Hibberd with PEDs.
They have no leg to stand on.

 

[Schraderbrau]

Pray tell, what is the right thing?

i would have thought that is obvious

 

[Suma Magic]

Lets say Melbourne finishes 7th next year, there are 5 free agent moves with compo lower than Melbourne, that mean its 2016 pick 29 in a super draft or 2017 pick 35 in a regular draft.

That's why both clubs want the same thing.

 

[Jade]

i would have thought that is obvious

Actually no, keen to hear your thoughts.

 

[Farm Boy]

Who cares... it'll happen both sides trying to do whats best for them and someone will blink on a pretty fair deal either way.

It is the blinking that is the interesting part. Essendon bend sides over (mine included) because they do not blink. If Melbourne take Essendon down to the wire and then blink - that will do wonders for Essendon (in future). Look at GC this year. They have a fruitbat as a CEO, but most teams dealing with them know that this guy will send O'Meara into the pre season draft - so GC as a result get overs. It is the reputation of some sides that cause other sides to relent at the trade table.

 

[SherbertLemon]

They injected Hibberd with PEDs.
They have no leg to stand on.

How about the "avoid shit list management" leg?

 

[SherbertLemon]

It is the blinking that is the interesting part. Essendon bend sides over (mine included) because they do not blink. If Melbourne take Essendon down to the wire and then blink - that will do wonders for Essendon (in future). Look at GC this year. They have a fruitbat as a CEO, but most teams dealing with them know that this guy will send O'Meara into the pre season draft - so GC as a result get overs. It is the reputation of some sides that cause other sides to relent at the trade table.

All jokes aside I thought the Carlisle deal was a win for all involved. Wouldn't say you caved, irrespective that pick 5 was traded

 

[LukeParkerno1]

a little bird told me that essendon should do the right thing by Hibberd given what they've put him through

They are.

2016 2nd rounder is very fair. Not sure how that isn't a good deal.

 

[EckersDevs]

possibly could involve gws (if they are after a future 2nd in exchange for current) -
GWS in: melb fut2nd, pick41or59 (stewarts value)
GWS Out: pick 31, Stewart
Ess in: pick 29, Stewart
Ess Out: pick 41/59, Hibbo
Melb in: pick 31, Hibbo
Melb Out: pick 29, future 2nd

 

[mfcrox]

If it's such a little difference, why wouldn't the professional club Melbourne give up it's current 2 rounder?

Because we don't want our first pick in this draft to be in the 50s

 

[Unleash Hell]

You're saying he could be a restricted free agent next year?
I'm saying there is no chance he could be a dfa this year. What do you disagree with?

Im not sure whats happened here. I only implked hibberd could be a dfa if ess piss him.off but not facilitating any trade.
Its very very unlikely but he could potentially then be a dfa if he seeked to break his current ess contrsct.... But as i said very very unlikely

 

[Unleash Hell]

Learn the rules.

No he isn't it.

How is he not a fa if he doesnt sign an extension with any club for 2018?

I think u need to do some.research

The definition of a fa is very broad to cover old ground go ask JOM and prestia if they care theyre not eligible fas under the rules