Michael Warners article 04/12/24. How woke and hypocritical the afl has become.

[Strapping Young Lad]

I believe it is you who has not thought it through.

Yes trauma is not the same across separate instances. Using your own example of sexual assault, rape is a far greater trauma than being called a name that hurts your feelings.

Oh rape is horrific, but I think you seriously overlook the impact and trauma of racism, casual or otherwise…and what’s more it’s not something that is perpetuated by only one person and stops at a certain age.

Being told you can’t come inside the house of a school friend when you’re 9yrs old because of what color you are.

Being hated at school and called a “dirty boong” or “lazy abo” by the children of bigots who think that’s ok to racially vilify someone on the back of what they hear at home.

Being picked up by police when they see you walking down the street with a friend on the weekend, telling you they’ll drop you home, only to have them take you out to the bush and drive through every pothole they can find before dropping you back into town.

Being followed around every second shop you enter and asked constantly what it is you’re looking for while other people are free to browse

Being told by your auntie’s and uncles not to hook up with or go out with any other Koori, because they could well be you cousin(due to not knowing where half your family is after the stolen generation).

Being constantly reminded that your not equal, that your not treated equal and that you never will be treated equal.

These are just some examples I can name, and I could go on.

Making out like racism in this country is just “taking offense to some words” is basically nonsense, both survivors of sexual assault and those who’ve experienced a life of racism carry trauma that is no joke to them.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

How come SBD Gonzalez and Bunk Moreland are my mortal enemies with all things football and then become my buddies with this kind of conversation?

Ha! I can't believe how many Hawks fans I agree with on politics!

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

It's funny that you think it's just pushed hard by religious people.

I mean atheists were turned upon by the bat shit crazy weirdo element of the left years ago.

Many of them hold similar views to those religious people on that issue.

It's driven by the religious kooks. Most of this 'culture war' stuff is. And they find ways to suck in others to support their cause and fight their fight.

They use red herrings all the time to push their bible shit.

 

[H00t]

I think trans people and religious people are under the same umbrella.

People believing in things that aren't based in many peoples reality, but based on feelings and their reality.

Which is my opinion.

Should atheists pretend God is real to make religious people feel good about themselves and feel accepted?

Trans people much like a lot of cis people just want to live their lives. It’s not something they chose for themselves and they just wanted to be treated like any other human being.

Trans people exist. It’s not like it’s an abstract concept that is unable to proven or disproven.

The problem is people know trans people are real and hate them for existing and go out of their way to harm them. Either through words, physically or with laws.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Trans people much like a lot of cis people just want to live their lives. It’s not something they chose for themselves and they just wanted to be treated like any other human being.

Trans people exist. It’s not like it’s an abstract concept that is unable to proven or disproven.

The problem is people know trans people are real and hate them for existing and go out of their way to harm them. Either through words, physically or with laws.

Allow me to post this.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

It's funny that you think it's just pushed hard by religious people.

I mean atheists were turned upon by the bat shit crazy weirdo element of the left years ago.

Many of them hold similar views to those religious people on that issue.

It's all about undermining science.

Science wins every time - so they need to muddy the waters.

They create red herrings that generally are inconsequential and irrelevant, but fire up people to support their underlying agenda.

Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity have been doing this for years in the US. Many Australians that jump on board with their guff don't realise that they're being played by religious loons.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Should atheists pretend God is real to make religious people feel good about themselves and feel accepted?

I politely stand in church when asked to, whenever I have had to go to one.

It's not that hard to not to be a jerk.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

How is it that homosexuals can get married now, the "religious kooks" couldn't suck anyone in to fight their fight?

Literally yes. But man they tried.

 

[Underarm]

Men playing in womens sport is just ridiculous.

yes. Good thing it's never happened.

No one normal wants to see a woman not making the squad for some sport because some man/abberation was better, ridiculous.

This has also never happened.

So why do things that have never happened get your knickers in such a twist?

 

[H00t]

Don't some trans people choose to go back to how they were pre- transition?

A very small percent do. Of those who do detransition more than half retransition again.

The driving factors for detranstioning are often societal pressures and lack of acceptance.

There’s also the fact that gender isn’t binary but a whole spectrum where people aren’t just only man or woman and some spend time trying to find where they fit inside that spectrum.

 

[SSwans2011]

There's heaps of substantive research that shows that access to treatments for gender dysphoria has a MASSIVE impact in preventing suicide and suicide ideation.

IMO anyone that stands in the way of that because they care about what someone else identifies as (when it's not harming them or anyone else) is a completely inhumane POS.

 

[Cyclops]

The idea that anyone transitions or even contemplates transitioning because it’s easy/fun/cool is real mind bending stuff.

I’ve never understood why people can’t mind their own ****ing business and let people be whatever they want to be, and that video above nails it for me.

“Are you happy, now that you’ve transitioned?”

“Yes”

End of story.

Yep, its complex and makes old farts like me uncomfortable, but I have two little cousins in their twenties who transitioned, and the suicide attempts stopped.

My elderly great uncle wanted to be a lady, we knew he was different but harmless, he had to stick with cross dressing because it was too expensive back then, but he would've been a she if he could, and was often sad.

The questions about bearded men nominally transitioning to steal women's gold medals or go on rape fests in little kids toilets are designed to get people worked up. I'm much more worried about religious groups continually covering up for paedos to worry about hypothetical News Ltd ragebait.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Nobody is forcing you to pretend God is real in that situation.

If they were and you didn't believe are you saying you'd pretend too?

One would hope you'd not think that telling them you don't believe doesn't make you a jerk.

Nobody is forcing me to pretend anything.

Since I was a child, I've been forced to behave appropriately and respectfully depending on the situation I'm in.

Sometimes that means going with ehf low and biting your tongue. Sometimes it means standing in church and doing that creepy shit where you have to say hi and shake hands with the bloke next to you. Sometimes it means I pretend I'm sad at a funeral. Sometimes it means I don't tell trans people they're crazy for being trans.

 

[H00t]

So choice is involved.



This is the kind of drivel that is now associated with the term woke.

Society does seem to be pushing back however at the whacky lefts attempts to engineer society into their weird ways.

The gender dysphoria they experience doesn’t just go away. That’s not a choice.

You do know this isn’t a recent thing right? It’s been going on for thousands of years.

The only thing that’s changed is how accepting or not society has been.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Sociologists aren't scientists.

And most of the woke nonsense seems to their bread and butter.

The sociology part is different to the science though.

That's what I'm talking about with the religious kooks creating red herrings.

Science can't really define what a woman is precisely. It's grey, as discussed earlier in this thread.
Society can though. Society can define a woman however it chooses.

They are two different discussions though. People try to blur the two - but they're separate.


Is climate change real? Science strongly supports that it is.

Should we sacrifice our economy and people's welfare in the short-medium term to remediate it? That's a societal discussion. They're two different things. Again, blurred intentionally by people with agendas. If you don't think we should hurt the economy by remediating climate change - that's fine, but it doesn't change the fact that science says it's real.

Was COVID real and was the first variant very dangerous to people's lives? Science says absolutely.
Should we lock people up to prevent the spread? Should we force people to get vaccinated against it? Both of these are societal discussions that were valid and needed to be had - but unfortunately were hijacked by people wanting to discredit science.
If you don't like lockdowns etc. that's fine, but it doesn't change the science.

Discrediting science is root of many of the Right's big talking points.

 

[Rob]

We got one major free kick as a nation - minerals in the earth. You own them, but instead of raising trillions of dollars from them to the point where we could basically all pay zero tax… they’ve all just been given to billionaires for free, who sell them at their own profit and pay no tax.

What the **** are you talking about dude? Mining companies are our largest taxpayers in the last reported year,
Rio $5.8b, BHP $7b, Chevron $4.2b, Glencore $4.7b, Fortescue $3.5b, Woodside $2.6b. Gina Rinehart, for all the shit that she cops, paid over $2b.
And that's just corporate income tax, it doesn't include royalties or all the tax paid by company employees. Which would be tens of billions.
As a country, we rake it in from mining companies.

 

[threesixpio]

Sociologists aren't scientists.

And most of the woke nonsense seems to their bread and butter.

That’s just not true - both historically and now

 

[threesixpio]

People who look ridiculous all get treated the same.

You don't think people all jabbed up on Botox don't get mocked for how they look?

Maybe the issue is the most prominent activists don't look like that which they claim to be.



The issue seems to be that the trans people who invest in actually looking like that which they identify don't have the same issues as those who barely change their appearance and then wonder why nobody accepts them.

A fourteen year old trans teenager who wants to be accepted does not equal a person botoxing themselves to bits. I know my daughter doesn’t. Smart as a Farkn whip and will be a great contributor to society. Farkn kick ass at physics too. Not your crazy sociology stereo type.

 

[threesixpio]

Although my father is a demographer/sociologist and to call what he does mamby pamby woke rubbish is so far from the truth it’s not funny. Complex, modelling, mathematics. And evidence based

 

[sydney_gws]

The amusing thing is that AFL house is driven almost primarily by the need to make a $. If they do anything it's through that prism.

They want$, also if it isn't the biggest sport in Australia it is irrelevant compared to international sports, like say cricket in USA.

 

[threesixpio]

Yep, its complex and makes old farts like me uncomfortable, but I have two little cousins in their twenties who transitioned, and the suicide attempts stopped.

My elderly great uncle wanted to be a lady, we knew he was different but harmless, he had to stick with cross dressing because it was too expensive back then, but he would've been a she if he could, and was often sad.

The questions about bearded men nominally transitioning to steal women's gold medals or go on rape fests in little kids toilets are designed to get people worked up. I'm much more worried about religious groups continually covering up for paedos to worry about hypothetical News Ltd ragebait.

Well the great irony is that a lot of the anti trans stuff that makes it ls way into the media comes from catholic think tanks who claim trans people create a world of peds. Ummm…

 

[SSwans2011]

What the **** are you talking about dude? Mining companies are our largest taxpayers in the last reported year,
Rio $5.8b, BHP $7b, Chevron $4.2b, Glencore $4.7b, Fortescue $3.5b, Woodside $2.6b. Gina Rinehart, for all the shit that she cops, paid over $2b.
And that's just corporate income tax, it doesn't include royalties or all the tax paid by company employees. Which would be tens of billions.
As a country, we rake it in from mining companies.

That's still PITTANCE relative to what they could and should be paying.



But also I've got better things to do than argue with anyone simping for the mining industry, so you make sure you don't stop licking your corporate billionaire overlord's boots until they're spick-and-span. What a great use of your time.

 

[Better Loosen Up]

She's smart and logical because it's not a simple answer.

Science tells us that there are about 6 or more factors that ultimately determine whether a human is male or female.

You can Google the research on this.

So whilst most of us have always just thought that it's all about your junk - it's actually not.

So she's 100% correct to answer that question the way she did. Especially in the context of a legal professional.

It's a pretty simple answer when it comes to certain matters such as medical diagnosis and dating.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

And of course if were asked to go to a synagouge or a mosque you would do the same?


And when you say "bible shit" we should also understand torah shit and koran shit, because they also believe that God created them male and female?

I've never been to a mosque, but I have been to a synagogue. I behaved as respectfully as I knew how.


I don't believe in any god. There's simply no evidence to support it. I think anyone that believes anything from any bible as truth is horribly misguided.

Should people follow religions and live their lives based on certain ideals and values? That's up for them to decide. It's their business.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

It's a pretty simple answer when it comes to certain matters such as medical and dating.

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