Michael Warners article 04/12/24. How woke and hypocritical the afl has become.

[SBD Gonzalez]

This question has come up a lot in this thread and I saw this today online from the Singapore prime minister, his description of wokeness.

Well he's quite wrong but other than that, yes, he completely nails it.

 

[Bjo187]

Well he's quite wrong but other than that, yes, he completely nails it.

Are you upset mate? .

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Showing compassion and empathy for people is such a problem to some campaigners.

“Life becomes burdensome” he says as he supposedly nails it.

Who are the real snowflakes?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Are you upset mate? .

No but thanks so much for checking.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

What is her title?

Executive General Manager Inclusion & Social Policy AFL

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[BallaratBulldog]

It’s interesting that the Melb Storm will reduce the welcome to countries and peoples reaction to it is completely mixed.

 

[.Shotties.]

Showing compassion and empathy for people is such a problem to some campaigners.

“Life becomes burdensome” he says as he supposedly nails it.

Who are the real snowflakes?

Yeah, the phrasing is so weird. It's so desperate to make being aware and understanding of circumstances outside one's own a frivilous, idiotic thing. 'Sensitivity to the issues of sub groups'. Yeah, ****ing awful. What kind of world would that be?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Yeah, the phrasing is so weird. It's so desperate to make being aware and understanding of circumstances outside one's own a frivilous, idiotic thing. 'Sensitivity to the issues of sub groups'. Yeah, ****ing awful. What kind of world would that be?

Imagine having compassion, empathy and not wearing ignorance on your sleeve like a badge of honor?

Some people just want to be pieces of shit that look down their noses at everyone that’s not the same as them, I guess.

 

[kickazz]

Imagine having compassion, empathy and not wearing ignorance on your sleeve like a badge of honor?

Some people just want to be pieces of shit that look down their noses at everyone that’s not the same as them, I guess.

I hear the phrase "offended on behalf of others" a fair bit, and do wonder what they are talking about.

It's almost like its some sort of extension of the neoliberal concept of (grossly misinterpreting) Adam Smith's 'invisible hand": if everyone pursues self interest in a market economy it kind of lifts us all up. The neolibs / neocons knew that those in the majority / with power could abuse this principle to the detriment of the poorer/minorities. So they did/do. They don't like being called out for it.

 

[Fire]

Was the concept of a 'stay at home order' ever considered on an age basis though? I can't really ever recall it being discussed.

It was blanket. As a result, we risked the social and mental development of children, shut-down businesses, prevented people from attending funerals, forced people to stay in potentially life-threatening domestic situations etc etc etc.

We did that to protect the vulnerable. The medically affected and the elderly.

Was it ever proposed that we restrict only the movements of the people we were attempting to protect?




It probably doesn't matter now, honestly. This thread has discussed far more important issues affecting current day society.

There is a reason why only protecting the vulnerable classes is not effective. If you really cared about this question, it was answered pretty thoroughly at the time and is still available for you to google today.

 

[HairyO]

Yep and when gambling advertising is banned it's going to be a rocky path for the AFL trying to get a similar rights deal.

Fed Govt know this which is why they wring their hands and claim they cant do anything about it - despite very easily being able to do something about it.

No gambling ads during C, G and PG rated programmes. No gambling ads before 8.30pm. But not only would the AFL lose hundreds of millions of dollars a year and need to find non-vampiric advertisers, TV networks would need to do the same.

They survived tobacco being banned and survived alcohol ads being restricted but they are very lazy and prefer to just be handed money for nothing.

 

[Gough]

Fed Govt know this which is why they wring their hands and claim they cant do anything about it - despite very easily being able to do something about it.

No gambling ads during C, G and PG rated programmes. No gambling ads before 8.30pm. But not only would the AFL lose hundreds of millions of dollars a year and need to find non-vampiric advertisers, TV networks would need to do the same.

They survived tobacco being banned and survived alcohol ads being restricted but they are very lazy and prefer to just be handed money for nothing.

The AFL is in a unique situation when it comes to gambling, the game isn't at risk from fixing. It's a tiny sport played by a handful of people at the bottom of the world, it would be complex to fix and the betting pool so small as to not be worth it. This leaves them free to actively not give a shit about the consequences of it all.

 

[Cyclops]

Yes I think 9 goals at vic park whilst being racially abused by Collingwood supporters deserves accuracy in reporting.

I was there as a kid. I heard it and was shocked.

Yep you're right, and iI dont know where I plucked the 5 from.

It was a horrible day. I was behind the goals at the Yarra Falls end, my usual spot.

MacAdam and Winmar being abused was shocking, but from memory ths AFL did little to nothing about it.

There was a few media figures who protested it but the feeling at the time was "what can we do?" (I don't like Patrick Smith, but on this issue the flog was in the right, and he hammered the point, so full points to him).

The league didn't give a crap about North or Saints players, and lacked the balls to tackle racism especially at a big club.

It was Michael Long who arked up about Monkhorsts abuse and forced the League to take real action. He refused to shut up and I guess because Essendon are also a big club the AFL had to listen.

Very poor leadership leaving it to the players to force change (most of all by my mob). It's painful too, but we had to clean up our act so I'm grateful it happened.

Doesn't help MacAdam though.

 

[Cyclops]

The AFL is in a unique situation when it comes to gambling, the game isn't at risk from fixing. It's a tiny sport played by a handful of people at the bottom of the world, it would be complex to fix and the betting pool so small as to not be worth it. This leaves them free to actively not give a shit about the consequences of it all.

No expert, but surely any market us worth fixing, even if it's just by the players themselves.

Carlton sacked 3 blokes for match fixing in 1910. There's a famous story about Footscray backing themselves in the early 80s ("captain Groenewegen"), im not sure if wining is match fixing but they gambled on the result and won at good odds, so maybe the other side received consideration? Heath Shaw tipped family about the Goldsack set play in the 2010 replay.

So there's been examples of pretty low tier match fixing in the open for ever. I feel like the expansion in markets might increase this?

 

[HairyO]

The AFL is in a unique situation when it comes to gambling, the game isn't at risk from fixing. It's a tiny sport played by a handful of people at the bottom of the world, it would be complex to fix and the betting pool so small as to not be worth it. This leaves them free to actively not give a shit about the consequences of it all.

Australian soccer league had game fixing and they are minnows compared to the AFL. Crooks dont care about the size of the comp, and its probably easier to fix games when the comp is smaller.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Australian soccer league had game fixing and they are minnows compared to the AFL. Crooks dont care about the size of the comp, and its probably easier to fix games when the comp is smaller.

This. Titus O'Reily's book "Please Gamble Irresponsibly" (about the depressing saga of sports gambling in Australia) opens with the story of a (from memory) Victorian regional cricket team which found itself the subject of massive international gambling interest, with huge consequences.

 

[BigPond101]

I think anyone that tries to point to one single factor is being lazy. Or they're just ignorant.

IMO, and that's all it is, there were a number of factors.

Firstly, it's important to note that less than half of voters voted for him. He only had 1.5% more people vote for him than Harris did.
So it was very tight with neither candidate being particularly popular.

I think Trump won because:

- Biden was very unpopular. He was even unpopular when he beat Trump in 2020. He became more unpopular over time.

- Harris has never been popular either, neither as VP or as a candidate.

- Harris didn't distance herself from what was an unpopular administration.

- Pretty much every country in the world so far has voted out the government who they had when COVID hit, then voted out the one that tried to manage the mess. This was a huge factor. In that sense, the Democrats were sitting ducks. Inflation and all the other nasty residual COVID impact is pinned on them. It happened the world over.

- People are dumb. On both sides. But about 20% of American adults read at a 6th grade Level apparently. Many apparently didn't even know Biden wasn't running until they rocked up to vote.

- There's the hardcore religious nature of America society. Some literally think Trump has been sent down by god.

- There's the racists. You know, as the saying goes "not all Trump supporters are racist, but all racists are Trump supporters".

- There's the 'woke' stuff.

- People are sick of being scammed by the elite. Forever Americans have been telling us all that America is the best country in the world - but they've always been wrong. We've all known that it's not. It's a shitshow. They're only now realising it and are sick of the status quo. Trump has conned people into believing he's different.

- Trump is a con man. He's a professional liar. He's really good at it. He's much better at lying than the Democrats were. He's a very effective liar. I mean, Biden did better in every single economic metric that Trump used to beat to his chest about as evidence that the economy was awesome when he was in power. But in this election, even though Biden was ahead in all of those same metrics - he still managed to convince voters that the economy was a disaster! But then in the same breath tell them that it was awesome when he was in power! It made no sense, but he pulled it off.

- Trump won the media battle. As bizarre as it is, the bullshit on CNN etc. is now being widely acknowledged as being untrustworthy, whilst Joe Rogan and the 'independent Media' is considered trustworthy these days. Whilst it's good that people are finally sceptical of 'the news', it's staggering that they believe these charletans like Joe Rogan on 'independent' media. Of course Rogan and these guys are not independent at all. But people believe they are.

- Trump managed to convince a big chunk of the public that what the far left is bringing to the table is more dangerous than what the far right is. Via Joe Rogan and these types, he managed to normalise this narrative.

- Trump managed to simultaneously convince voters that he is anti war and all about peace - but at the same time apparently everyone is scared of him cause he'll bomb them if they don't do what he says. Huh?? Which is it?? But he managed to pull this narrative off somehow. Again, with the help of the independent media.

- The most important factor was Elon Musk though. The guy Trump hated and thought was dumb, until he decided to donate to him in staggering amounts. The guy that makes electric cars that Trump hates, that now he suddenly likes because Musk told him to.
Musk was the guy that managed to control the entire independent media narrative around Trump.
Just one example, is Musk tweeting false information about the support for victims of the cyclone, and it getting 2m views. He was challenged on it, so he retracted it publicly - but the retraction only had 16000 views. The lies get out there when you have a platform, and Musk knows this.
Musk and Trump have convinced average people that rich, powerful, crooked people that look after their own interests are the problem with their lives - and they should vote for them to fix it....you know, a couple of rich, powerful crooked people that look after themselves.
It's bizarre. You couldn't make it up. But they did, and it worked.
Musk, through his independent media platforms was able to continue the scam that Trump is a normal guy, just like the average battler.

That's what won him the election.


The country was a wreck under Bush. It was a wreck under Clinton. It was a wreck under Obama. It was a wreck under Trump, so over 80 million people voted him out. It was a wreck under Biden.

America has always been a wreck for most of its people. It's awesome for the rich guys, but absolutely sucks for the regular folk.

Trump won the media battle to sell lies that he's going to help them. It boils down to that really. It always does.

Well nice thought out and intelligent answer I'll give you that

 

[Angus Young]

Yep you're right, and iI dont know where I plucked the 5 from.

It was a horrible day. I was behind the goals at the Yarra Falls end, my usual spot.

MacAdam and Winmar being abused was shocking, but from memory ths AFL did little to nothing about it.

There was a few media figures who protested it but the feeling at the time was "what can we do?" (I don't like Patrick Smith, but on this issue the flog was in the right, and he hammered the point, so full points to him).

The league didn't give a crap about North or Saints players, and lacked the balls to tackle racism especially at a big club.

It was Michael Long who arked up about Monkhorsts abuse and forced the League to take real action. He refused to shut up and I guess because Essendon are also a big club the AFL had to listen.

Very poor leadership leaving it to the players to force change (most of all by my mob). It's painful too, but we had to clean up our act so I'm grateful it happened.

Doesn't help MacAdam though.

The beautiful thing about that day was the absolute masterclass Mcadam and Winmar produced in the face of that shit.

Absolute champions. Sublime footballers.

 

[12kilos]

You're a Collingwood supporter ? Ever leave the MCG? Gifted a fixture year in year out. Softcos wins a brownlow? what a joke. Joke of an ex prez. I loathe you and your umpire loving club. Stealing Hafey, Cloke, McRae & Leppitch.? c**ts

Geebung Polo club gifted finals year in year out with. 50 games at GBH stadium. Chuck in Hocking and his f**n stand rule, AA team basically meaning ya just have to play for Geelong.

Carlscum. never wash off that Elliot cheating stench. Chris f**n Judd. Still disgusted.

Essadon ~ jesus the dopers of Windy Hill ...joke of club, Dildoro, Sheedy being rooted even. Karma for f**ing us over during the drought.

North? are they still here? Won a AFLW flag wow.

Dogs? Old man Librtatore? what a c**t. psycho coach chronically underperform

The aints? LOL. Dwarf burning jokers

Dees? cocaine sniffing, Mt Buller in the rangey. Gary Lying in the media........... Puke

Dress up as Bin Laden ~ GWS finally newsworthy

Eagles~ Cuz, Mainwarring, Kerr. Shouldda taken the flags off em.

Adelaide? 2017 flag loss still recovering.

Hawthorn eh? "Clarko's cluster" cheating c**t. Wasting Norths money.

Northern clubs ~ waste a $50 mill each year.

welcome to free kick country ~ what I'm waiting for.

spot on freedom of speech! does that exists anymore?

 

[12kilos]

12kilos and Dan you're probably realising about now that Bigfooty is leftie dominant lol. I realised this year's ago.

To answer your question I don't think left wing or right wing has existed for several years now.
So no, however thinks it does exist presently ,they haven't got a good idea of the current world political landscape.

 

[PetterdHoisted]

woke = look-at-me moralising

virtually signalling is important, but public shaming of those who don't signal - equally important.

 

[jwikked]

Showing compassion and empathy for people is such a problem to some campaigners.

“Life becomes burdensome” he says as he supposedly nails it.

Who are the real snowflakes?

Why are all internet moderators like this? Is there a requirement that you have to be a major lefty with an overbearing interest in trans women?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

woke = look-at-me moralising

virtually signalling is important, but public shaming of those who don't signal - equally important.

“Virtually signaling”.

Almost as good as an escape goat.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Why are all internet moderators like this? Is there a requirement that you have to be a major lefty with an overbearing interest in trans women?

3am thoughts, and mentions of trans women when no one else did. Hmmm.

 

[Kram]

Mate i have similar stories about Chris Lewis you would not believe how blatant the racism from players at the time
towards him
I know other aboriginal players have stated in thee late 80's early 90's he was the most racially abused player
I remember being on the boundary fence at the 3 tier stand end one game against Melbourne in the pocket and clearly
hearing Melbourne players at the time saying to knock the **** head of and other comments cant really say now
I was so shocked at the time

I was so shocked because you never really seen it over here at the time, sadly a big part of eastern states footy culture back then.