Especially with MMs coaching moves.
However, in the same context, hard to praise MM when it is the players who go out and kick the ball.
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However, in the same context, hard to praise MM when it is the players who go out and kick the ball.
We were one decent ruckman from pinching a flag in 2002. Yet in the consequent 8 seasons he failed to recruit one. In 2007 we were again inches from pinching a flag and again we were smashed in the ruck.
Gotta love how Malthouse turned from a tired old has been in BFerss eyes 5 years ago to a legend 2 years ago and now he's out of Collingwood all of a sudden he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
You people are the living end
Find one post of mine saying anything of the sort
Always rated him and was suprised so many Pie fans were so keen on getting rid of him. From memory I think my harshest comment on him in my entire time posting here was along the lines of being amazed that a coach as good as he is feels the need to say some of the things he does in press conferences.
Did I mention you by name?? NOFind one post of mine saying anything of the sort
Always rated him and was suprised so many Pie fans were so keen on getting rid of him. From memory I think my harshest comment on him in my entire time posting here was along the lines of being amazed that a coach as good as he is feels the need to say some of the things he does in press conferences.
He's a great motivator and a great list builder.
Great coach???
Leaving a clearly injured Reid on a rampaging Hawk in the GF proved that he lets his opinions and emotions interfere with his match day judgements.
Quality rucks don't grow on trees, especially so during that time period. You see the succession plan as the impetus for him to get one. I see it as nothing more than Jolly's availability. Ball's unique situation with St Kilda sure didn't hurt your flag chances either. Those 2 were served up on a silver platter compared to the ins and outs of previous trades that would be required to bring in similar players.
Like I said - your opinion and you're welcome to it. It is not a fact.
As was picking a forward pocket first year player (Fasolo) as sub over the experienced versatile utility (Goldsack) who would have been a useful extra pair of hands in defence and could have allowed us to sub Reid off. An equally big mistake, imo. Possibly worse.
You think making a personnel selection is as bad as leaving a clearly injured player both on the field and on a raging opponent??
WOW, just farking WOW
Quality rucks change clubs every year. Just look back and see the names that have been traded over the past 10 years or so. Theres heaps. Its a myth that they dont grow on trees, the reality is they often need to change clubs for better opportunities because theres only limited spots available in the 22 for ruckmen.
Yes I do because Reid went into the game injured and Goldy would have been good insurance. Fasolo was never going to have an impact.
The two errors are not unrelated. Having refused to select insurance for Reid, Malthouse let his ego get the better of him and decided to hang Reid out to dry, to make Reid the scapegoat.
Ok bye then
lol, no you just quoted my post. Apologies, how could I have been so stupid
Something that Carlton sorely need IMO. Plus a much needed increase in mental toughness - we are weak as water presently, the gap between our best and worst is a chasm.. I'm confident he will be able to bolster those areas if nothing else.
Fair point - look, Ratten didn't do a heap wrong and I'm not convinced Malthouse is the answer. But what I will say is he is a better option for Carlton at this point in time. Not many were lauding Ratten's tactical match day nous, and I'm confident MM is a fair upgarde in the areas mentioned above and will be able to get the list playing at their best more consistently. Whether thats worth what we're paying him or is good enough for a flag... who knows.
Your intelligence astounds me.
One bloke has coached for 20 odd years and the other for one year and you have come to that conclusion. Your ability to reach such conclusions is fantastic.
Don't get me wrong I don't for a minute deride Mick's achievement's and if anyone available in the coaching ranks can build a balanced and competitive unit out of your apparently disjointed playing list it's Mick, certainly he knows how to engender fierce loyalty to himself and his plan. The biggest question mark to me is - is he capable of seeing that plan through now.lol, no you just quoted my post. Apologies, how could I have been so stupid
Something that Carlton sorely need IMO. Plus a much needed increase in mental toughness - we are weak as water presently, the gap between our best and worst is a chasm.. I'm confident he will be able to bolster those areas if nothing else.
Fair point - look, Ratten didn't do a heap wrong and I'm not convinced Malthouse is the answer. But what I will say is he is a better option for Carlton at this point in time. Not many were lauding Ratten's tactical match day nous, and I'm confident MM is a fair upgarde in the areas mentioned above and will be able to get the list playing at their best more consistently. Whether thats worth what we're paying him or is good enough for a flag... who knows.
It's clear his favoured boundary line play plan has seen its day and he needs to come up with some new tweaks at least, then he has to find the players capable of implementing his ideas, forgive me if I say at times half your list appears disinterested in proceedings, but so it appears from the outside.
I would expect there to be a bit of weeding done and the most noxious tossed over the fence. Those that can't or won't buy into the plan will be forced to leave and those that are wishy-washy about it will be in for a helluva shock. Which of course is how it must be. There remains the time factor, quite apart from Micks age - which isn't necessarily a barrier - it's the time taken to totally re jig the game plan, weed out the dead wood and find the replacement soldiers necessary to make a charge at the flag.
I'm sure there will be many frustrated and angry Blues supporters before the end and no guarantee of ultimate success in MM's tenure.
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Jolly and Ball fell into his lap of sorts.
Once he realised there was expiration date on his career, he finally decided to do something about it.
Jolly wanted to return home, despite being contracted. With no genuine ruck option on the list for 10 years, it was a no brainer that he be active for one of this quality.
Luke Ball was out of favour at the Saints. For years Mick persisted with guys like O'Bree and never addressed a glaring deficiency on the list. Enter Luke Ball's sudden availability, coupled with Mick's clock ticking down and he got him.
Who knows, maybe in about 10 years time he may be able to pull off a few masterstrokes like these again.
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I know right.Your intelligence astounds me.
One bloke has coached for 20 odd years and the other for one year and you have come to that conclusion. Your ability to reach such conclusions is fantastic.
If the Blues wanted a good game day type coach then I reckon Rodney Eade should have been the man. I thought he did a great job of move/counter move & tactics with both the Swans & Bulldogs. I take an interest in what he does since he is a Taswegian
I've always thought he did well in developing & managing his teams. The Bulldogs just couldnt go to the next level but got the most out of themselves. IMO
We know for the next 5 years at least that we won't have to worry about Carlton or Collingwood challenging for a p'ship because both clubs have too many sub agendas in place from too many people with big egos
We should all sit back & be entertained. Sure they'll win some big games but no chance of winning a P'ship unless these 'personalities' can shut up.
We should all sit back & be entertained. Sure they'll win some big games but no chance of winning a P'ship unless these 'personalities' can shut up.
Dream on. . . .
PF or not, Collingwood went backwards this year. 4 wins only by over 5 goals against the 4 of the crappiest sides, GWS, GC, Melbourne, Brisbane, average losing margin of 40 pts, very average in the finals. Fortunately the run-on after round 3 kept the Pies in the top 4. Up to the last round you weren't even in the top 4.
Compare that to the previous two years then you work it out Einstein.
We have the main act, you have the understudy. Thanks Ed!
If it's good enough for the president to carry on wanting to go through our books, sit down with Adrian Anderson one-on-one to go through Judd's deal, all over us looking to get Cloke, then it's good enough for Malthouse to return fire.
Guessing a couple of Pies are looking like moving. No real Dawes fan but looks like the Pies have swapped a 25yo for a 30yo looking for a final pay cheque. Let's hope it digs in to the fabric of their club.
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