Miller, dead set Genius

[parrot]

Look at that 11th.

Let me make it a little more accurate...

1999 - second
2000 - top 4
2001 - top 4
2002 - 16th (no draft)
2003 - 15th (no draft)
2004 - 11th (draft year #1)
2005 - 16th (draft year #2)
2006 - 16th (draft year #3)
2007 - 15th (10th*)
2008 - top 8*

So you see we have only been rebuilding for 3 years. And ALL experts agree we have a lot of quality on our list now (i.e. a successful rebuild), and the most raw talent in the AFL in fact. A 3 year rebuild is a pretty fine effort I would have thought. Anyway, back to the question that NO Tiges supporter wants to answer. Are you happy with Miller's list management over the past several years? yes or no?

 

[itsintheblood]

Is this the same Genius that recruited Mark Graham and Kent kingsley?

Digbey Morrell and Mick Martyn ring a bell?

 

[Ah Cheung]

Because your low-life criminal president offered him far more money than he could ever make elsewhere.

Do you squirm when you see yet another Carlton president front the media with the 'Yes, I admit I'm a low-life cheating criminal' routine?

I'm sure that in hindsight Judd is as thrilled to bits about being the public face of a dishonest corporation as he will be when he discovers he's playing a lone hand in the Carlton midfield on the worst playing surface in Australia.




You think wrong.




Is that a variation on pole dancing? Quite fitting for the whores of the competition.




Could have had Josh Carr, Lenny Hayes or Tyson Stenglein...got Murray Vance instead. LMAO

Could have had Shaun Burgoyne, Daniel Kerr or Kane Cornes, got Luke Livingston instead. LMAO

Could have had Paul Medhurst, Dane Swan or Adam Schneider, got Justin Davies instead. LMAO

Could have had Nick Malceski, got Cameron Croad instead. LMAO

Could have had Brock Mclean, got Andrew Walker instead. LMAO

Could have had Shane Tuck, got Ricky Mott, Glenn Bowyer, Jordan Bannister, Adrian Deluca and Stephen Kenna instead. LMAO

Could have had Brent Prismall, Matthew Rosa and Michael Newton, got Adam Hartlett instead. LMAO

Could have had Cameron Wood and not had to recruit one of Ackland or Cloke (LMAO), got Jordan Russell instead. LMAO

Could have had Scott Pendlebury, got Marc Murphy and Josh Kennedy instead. LMAO

I wonder why you've been by far the worst performed club in the AFL for the last half a decade and still need to tank year after year to maybe, one day in the distant future, play finals again and get knocked out in the first round because yet again too much of your salary cap is eaten up by one player?

Hooray for the CFC, its star recruiters, and the legacy of being professional tanking cheats run by one criminal after another.

You've all surely earned the right to troll on opposition clubs' boards about how good you are in comparison to us.

Stick it to the man!

 

[parrot]

.....You've all surely earned the right to troll on opposition clubs' boards about how good you are in comparison to us.

Clear Correct decisions - Judd, Stevens, Marc Murphy, JK, Hartlett, Russell, Walker, Not recruiting Tuck

More correct decsions - Simmo, Carazzo, Jackson, Setanta, Bower, Edwards, Aisake, Hampson, Gibbs, Grigg, Jamison, Betts (thank God you took Knobel), Anderson, Austin, Scotland, etc, etc

Mistakes - Livo, Vance

Didn't cost us anything so doesn't matter i.e. during draft exclusion era and hence irrelevant - Mot, Bowyer, Harford, Martin, Deluca

Not bad actually. Now back to the question. Are you happy with Millers list management at Tigeland over the past several years?

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

I am.I think our list is in pretty fair shape.

 

[nikolasgabriel]

The Blues have only been rebuilding since 2004, because we were excluded from the draft in case you forgot, and since then have rebuilt our list nicely. So again, the question: Are you happy with Millers list management efforts over the past several years? A yes or no will suffice.

nice deflection

doesnt change the fact you lost 11 in a row and have a coach that has a 0% winning percentage

Carlton are a rabble. and it makes me laugh alot

to repeat

2002 - 16th
2003 - 15th
2004 - 11th
2005 - 16th
2006 - 16th
2007 - 15th

 

[parrot]

nice deflection....

I just included the full story, which you obviously don't want to know about. But that's fine. It's there for everyone to see, and you can deny it if you want. BTW you still haven't answered the Miller question. Are you happy with Miller's management of your list over the past several years?

 

[nikolasgabriel]

I just included the full story, which you obviously don't want to know about. But that's fine. It's there for everyone to see, and you can deny it if you want. BTW you still haven't answered the Miller question. Are you happy with Miller's management of your list over the past several years?

2002 - 16th
2003 - 15th
2004 - 11th
2005 - 16th
2006 - 16th
2007 - 15th


The worst performance of any club in the afl.

A joke of an administration

Very happy with Miller.

 

[parrot]

...

Very happy with Miller.

So I guess everything's going to plan.

 

[BOPPER]

I just included the full story, which you obviously don't want to know about. But that's fine. It's there for everyone to see, and you can deny it if you want. BTW you still haven't answered the Miller question. Are you happy with Miller's management of your list over the past several years?

Im reasonably happy about our list management and so would the majority of Richmond supporters. The o4 draft was good for us excluding meyer. The 05 draft is still raw. We got 3 good kids who all played good senior footy this season out of the 06 draft. Polak was a 'genius' pick up, i like the additions of mcmahon and morton. Simmonds was brilliant last year and injured this year. We have delisted or traded players of no use to us (ottens and rodan wouldn't have had the impact at richmond that they have had at geelong and port) and we have promoted some of the best rookies going around (foley, thursfield and king). so yeah parrot i am happy with our list management. im happy with yours as well...absolute puss!!

 

[richoatthedisco]

Let me make it a little more accurate...

1999 - second
2000 - top 4
2001 - top 4
2002 - 16th (no draft)
2003 - 15th (no draft)
2004 - 11th (draft year #1)
2005 - 16th (draft year #2)
2006 - 16th (draft year #3)
2007 - 15th (10th*)
2008 - top 8*

So you see we have only been rebuilding for 3 years. And ALL experts agree we have a lot of quality on our list now (i.e. a successful rebuild), and the most raw talent in the AFL in fact. A 3 year rebuild is a pretty fine effort I would have thought. Anyway, back to the question that NO Tiges supporter wants to answer. Are you happy with Miller's list management over the past several years? yes or no?

2001 u were not top 4, u lost in a semi final to - wait, who was it again? oh yes, richmond.

 

[nikolasgabriel]

So I guess everything's going to plan.

2002 - 16th
2003 - 15th
2004 - 11th
2005 - 16th
2006 - 16th
2007 - 15th

 

[celtic_pride]

Carlton supporters are the last people who should attack the recruiters of other sides.

Why, we're the club that's just landed Chrissy Judd (and Twigley ) ?

 

[Cruiser23]

2002 - 16th
2003 - 15th
2004 - 11th
2005 - 16th
2006 - 16th
2007 - 15th

2002 - 14th
2003 - 13th
2004 - 16th
2005 - 12th
2006 - 9th
2007 - 16th

wow, not to great yourself. Considering you never lost draft picks i can't see any reason you can bag us. Take a look at your team first. How can you say you are happy will miller when this is what he has produced? Get ready to add a few more bottom finishes to that list because unless a miracle happen, your guys are in for somemore more lean years because of Miller.

 

[celtic_pride]

2002 - 14th
2003 - 13th
2004 - 16th
2005 - 12th
2006 - 9th
2007 - 16th

wow, not to great yourself. Considering you never lost draft picks i can't see any reason you can bag us. Take a look at your team first. How can you say you are happy will miller when this is what he has produced? Get ready to add a few more bottom finishes to that list because unless a miracle happen, your guys are in for somemore more lean years because of Miller.

yeah and apart from Fleecing Carey and Longmire from the Swans, I don't think Miller's record at the Roos was that crash hot either.
Getting Scott Clayton from the Bulldogs would be a major step up for the RIchmond FC (and I do hope u get him, cause I reckon you guys have suffered enough from the horrid Beck years) but Greg Miller should just stick to trying getting corporate and membership/financial clout to the club, and leave the recruiting/drafting/trading to the professionals ...

In hindsight as well, trading that no 2 pick to Adelaide for kane johnson was a mistake, because I know he was a premiership player with the Crows, but his career at Richmond sadly wasn't worth losing Daniel Wells (the player north drafted with that no 2 pick) over.

 

[_RT_]

Let me make it a little more accurate...

1999 - second
2000 - top 4
2001 - top 4
2002 - 16th (no draft)
2003 - 15th (no draft)
2004 - 11th (draft year #1)
2005 - 16th (draft year #2)
2006 - 16th (draft year #3)
2007 - 15th (10th*)
2008 - top 8*

So you see we have only been rebuilding for 3 years. And ALL experts agree we have a lot of quality on our list now (i.e. a successful rebuild), and the most raw talent in the AFL in fact. A 3 year rebuild is a pretty fine effort I would have thought. Anyway, back to the question that NO Tiges supporter wants to answer. Are you happy with Miller's list management over the past several years? yes or no?

Surely if Carltons recruiters had of being doing the job right in the years before 2001 they would have had enough young talent coming through to see the club fall slightly during the 2 years out of the draft and then been good enough to pick some hidden gems in the later rounds of the drafts. Remember you were only excluded from the first 2 rounds.

For example in the 2001 ND (first year of penalties) the club picked Davies with their first pick meanwhile players like Andrew Welsh, Brad Miller, Medhurst, Swan, Schneider & Harris were taken after him.

The fact is your clubs recruiters stuffed in up in the 2000 draft when they had 4 picks in the top 35 taking Livingstone, Sporn, Wiggins & Campbell when they could have taken players like Pettifer, McMahon, S.Burgoyne, D.Harris, S.Thompson, Kerr, K.Cornes, Charman, Coughlan & Hadley(you just traded to get him).

Clear Correct decisions - Judd, Stevens, Marc Murphy, JK, Hartlett, Russell, Walker, Not recruiting Tuck

More correct decsions - Simmo, Carazzo, Jackson, Setanta, Bower, Edwards, Aisake, Hampson, Gibbs, Grigg, Jamison, Betts (thank God you took Knobel), Anderson, Austin, Scotland, etc, etc

Mistakes - Livo, Vance

Didn't cost us anything so doesn't matter i.e. during draft exclusion era and hence irrelevant - Mot, Bowyer, Harford, Martin, Deluca

Not bad actually. Now back to the question. Are you happy with Millers list management at Tigeland over the past several years?

Those players you claim cost you nothing are the same as us taking Kingsley and Graham, late picks that cost us nothing and gave us insurance in case one of better players got injured.

As for an answer to your question, yes I am happy with how the list has turned over in the last 4 years. When Wallace came to the club our list was in a deplorable state and now it is filled with a lot of talented youngsters who are yet to reach their full potential, much like Carltons.

Hence why I am eager to see how our 2 sides go this year. While you guys may have recruited Judd he along with Stevens are not going to make that big a difference to a side that got belted quite regularly last year.

Both our teams have a long way to go and the next 2-3 years is going to be a roller coaster with some great days and some horrible days. Even you would have to agree with that.

 

[parrot]

2002 - 14th
2003 - 13th
2004 - 16th
2005 - 12th
2006 - 9th
2007 - 16th

wow, not to great yourself. Considering you never lost draft picks i can't see any reason you can bag us. Take a look at your team first. How can you say you are happy will miller when this is what he has produced? Get ready to add a few more bottom finishes to that list because unless a miracle happen, your guys are in for somemore more lean years because of Miller.

Yep, that's the key point. There were no draft penalties. And in fact the draft pick/ PP system was much more generous pre 2006 when the Tiges were collecting draft picks. So why are they 16th in 2007. Apparently Miller's doing a good job, so I guess there must be another reason. Any ideas?

 

[parrot]

...Both our teams have a long way to go and the next 2-3 years is going to be a roller coaster with some great days and some horrible days. Even you would have to agree with that.

I think the Blues list development is a long long way ahead of the Tiges at present, and most would agree. In fact I have not heard of any media commentator who says the Tiges list is more advanced than the Blues current list, and many are predicting we'll make top-8 next year, including several senior opposition coaches. Also remember the Blues were banned from the draft until 3 years ago i.e. there was a reason for their temporary slide. No such event occurred at Tigerland and you're still bottom. Are you sure the reason that got you there has actually been addressed. That is the key point.

 

[celtic_pride]

Also Richmond fans ...
The stunning recruitment of Chris Judd (easily the no 1 player in the AFL, along with Jono Brown) without losing Pick 1 or the Fev, is the greatest recruiting coup for an club in decades, and erases all the previous years of Carlton drafting failures and penalties ...
We are going to have over 40 K members next year, we've just posted a 3 Mil profit, and we have the best football CEO in the business in Greg Swann ...
If it's a case between Swanny or Mrs Miller (sorry it's an stargate Atlantis ref that LOL) I know which Greg I'd want running my club's recruiting Dept

 

[Tiger bait]

I think the Blues list development is a long long way ahead of the Tiges at present, and most would agree. In fact I have not heard of any media commentator who says the Tiges list is more advanced than the Blues current list, and many are predicting we'll make top-8 next year, including several senior opposition coaches. Also remember the Blues were banned from the draft until 3 years ago i.e. there was a reason for their temporary slide. No such event occurred at Tigerland and you're still bottom. Are you sure the reason that got you there has actually been addressed. That is the key point.

and who are these "most that would agree"??? let me guess...........carlton supporters?? I hope your happy that carlton have now taken over the mantle of the most hated afl club. And to take that mantle off collingwood is a pretty significant feat. Tigers > Carlscum no doubt about it.

 

[Croat tiger]

Forget Brennan....an erratic show pony.... Miller should turn his focus to Cousins...and getting the man away from Perth for a fresh start...if he pulls it off Cousins could be the biggest coup in years.

Cousins a drug addicted bum who turns 30 next year,no thanks.

 

[_RT_]

I think the Blues list development is a long long way ahead of the Tiges at present, and most would agree. In fact I have not heard of any media commentator who says the Tiges list is more advanced than the Blues current list, and many are predicting we'll make top-8 next year, including several senior opposition coaches. Also remember the Blues were banned from the draft until 3 years ago i.e. there was a reason for their temporary slide. No such event occurred at Tigerland and you're still bottom. Are you sure the reason that got you there has actually been addressed. That is the key point.

Deflecting again Parrot.

You were banned from the 2002 & 2003 drafts yet before those bans were put in place your club had fallen from the top 8 to stone cold last, how do you explain that?

The reason we are where we are lies with the recruiting of Beck and Frawley which equates to the penalties Carlton copped. In Frawelys last 3 years he traded away 2 first round draft picks to try and top up the list even with later picks he seemed to always go for recycled players instead of getting in a few youngsters. Left us in an awful mess. Since Wallace and Miller got together we have turned over a high number of players and in doing so have suffered on the field.

Would you agree that the Richmond list is in better shape now that what it was when Wallace took over?

After all ultimate responsibilty for list management lies with the senior coach, sure the recruiters can suggest players but it is the coach who picks the type of players he wants.

 

[Rayzorwire]

2001 - top 4

Only to be knocked out of the finals by...who was it again Prattot?

Clear Correct decisions - Judd...

He hasn't even played a game for you yet, but you're so desperate you need to put him first in the 'recruiting success' column?

Stevens,

Soft as butter outsider with average disposal who has helped 'lead' the glorious Carlton engine room to 11th, 16th, 16th and 15th in his time at the club.

Marc Murphy

Decidedly inferior to Pendlebury on all levels. Another lightly framed high selection 'maybe' whose major claims to fame are finishing behind the totally unheralded Andrew Raines, Danyle Pearce and Heath Shaw in the 2006 Rising Star (even adjusted for his time out of the game), and being one of the worst shots at goal in the league.

JK

Sold down the river...another chapter in your history to boast about.

Hartlett

Four ho-hum games at a club with zero depth. Clearly a brilliant recruiting decision - he's a gun already. Wouldn't have even played an AFL game yet unless your season's ambition was to tank yet again.

Russell

22 going into next season and still can't manage more than 10 possessions a game. Never mind, he was well worth picking up instead of Wood so you could grab those gun ruckmen Cloke and Ackland instead.

Walker

Softest of the lot - and boy that's saying something at Carlton.

Not recruiting Tuck

I just heard the last shred of credibility you had break.

More correct decsions - Simmo, Carazzo, Jackson, Setanta, Bower, Edwards, Aisake, Hampson, Gibbs, Grigg, Jamison, Betts (thank God you took Knobel), Anderson, Austin, Scotland, etc, etc

More 'correct' decisions that have proved absolutely nothing at this stage in terms of their long term worth, or players that helped you to the worst peformances in recent memory.

Now back to the question. Are you happy with Millers list management at Tigeland over the past several years?

Not entirely, but certainly not unhappy either.

There isn't a club around who hasn't made serious draft errors which are clear in hindsight, but we've run the draft gamble quite well by balancing our picks between potential superstars, hard working grunts and experienced players that add benefits to a very young list.

Plus we haven't had to sell our dignity down the river by deliberately losing to achieve a better list than we started with.

 

[tugga]

parrot, you say that Mot, Bowyer, Harford, Martin, Deluca didn't cost you anything so they can't be counted as mistakes, yet in the same breath Carlton supporters will point to our drafting of Kingsley and laugh. How does that work, when Kingsley cost nothing as well?

 

[celtic_pride]

Deflecting again Parrot.

You were banned from the 2002 & 2003 drafts yet before those bans were put in place your club had fallen from the top 8 to stone cold last, how do you explain that?

The reason we are where we are lies with the recruiting of Beck and Frawley which equates to the penalties Carlton copped. In Frawelys last 3 years he traded away 2 first round draft picks to try and top up the list even with later picks he seemed to always go for recycled players instead of getting in a few youngsters. Left us in an awful mess. Since Wallace and Miller got together we have turned over a high number of players and in doing so have suffered on the field.

Would you agree that the Richmond list is in better shape now that what it was when Wallace took over?

After all ultimate responsibilty for list management lies with the senior coach, sure the recruiters can suggest players but it is the coach who picks the type of players he wants.

To be fair to Carlton, we got Fisher and Simpson from the 2002 draft, and in hindsight they turned out to be far better players then Goddard and Wells who went no 1 and 2 in that draft that year.