Miller, dead set Genius

[_RT_]

Retirements, injuries, realising we weren't going to get good young talent for two years and trading for very risky player which obviously didn't work. The draft system works so team have 5 good year and 5 bad continuosly. When was your last successful YEARS? What is it, three finals appearances in 20 years? Great club that is

A team that still had Bradley, Ratten, Whitnall(before he got fat and lazy), Campo, Hickmott, McKay, Christou, McKernan, Beaumont & Lappin to name a few suddenly went from top 6 to dead last. Pull the other one, your club was a rabble before the penalties were put in place and have been a rabble since.

Also you want us to believe that the club knew 12 months before the penalties were handed down that they were going to be excluded from the first 2 rounds of the draft for 2 years. You are truly a Carlton fan with NFI at all.

Now piss off back to your own board with the rest of the self deluded muppets and wait for reality to kick in around round 10 next year. When your club will be sitting near the arse end of the ladder again thinking how they can explain to Judd the concept of tanking games.

 

[banana_bus]

You are a dead set fool simmonds was a mile ahead of Lurch last year.Read it properly Geeeees i cut and pasted that wrong it was meant for that carlton guy who said simmonds was the 6th best ruckman last year

yes that i noticed, i wasnt calling u the moron.

 

[mayhem20202]

Let me make it a little more accurate...

1999 - second
2000 - top 4
2001 - top 4
2002 - 16th (no draft)
2003 - 15th (no draft)
2004 - 11th (draft year #1)
2005 - 16th (draft year #2)
2006 - 16th (draft year #3)
2007 - 15th (10th*)
2008 - top 8*

What does the 10th in brackets mean, and what does the * represent?

 

[_RT_]

What does the 10th in brackets mean, and what does the * represent?

10th* means where he believes they would have finished if they didn't tank. 8th* in 08 is where he thinks they will finish if they don't tank.

 

[parrot]

10th* means where he believes they would have finished if they didn't tank. 8th* in 08 is where he thinks they will finish if they don't tank.

So where do you rank the Tiges list at the moment? 1-16. I still put it around 16. I was amazed Miller didn't get a ruck during trade week, considering all the possibilities. The Blues have Hampson, Aisake and Kruezer all coming through. I can't see any developing quality 200cm rucks on the Tiges list, and Simmonds is a veteren now.

 

[WorthTheWaite]

Keep it up, they say laughter is the best medicine - I'm not sure how effective it is against mental ******ation but here's hoping

Geez, attempts at humour like that certainly aren't helping...

 

[Drunken Wookie]

Geez, attempts at humour like that certainly aren't helping...

Didn't like that one eh? Where's that gibbs video, give that a shot.

 

[Bojangles17]

So where do you rank the Tiges list at the moment? 1-16. I still put it around 16. I was amazed Miller didn't get a ruck during trade week, considering all the possibilities. The Blues have Hampson, Aisake and Kruezer all coming through. I can't see any developing quality 200cm rucks on the Tiges list, and Simmonds is a veteren now.

who of your ruck contingent is as good as simmonds 28yo or patto...this will be good

 

[parrot]

who of your ruck contingent is as good as simmonds 28yo or patto...this will be good

Simmo's 29 or 30yo and only 196cm. Pattison is 197cm, and hardly a superstar. Have heard that Miller's trying to get Guy Richards now. Perhaps we'll give you Ackland when he finishes up next year, when Hampson, Aisake and Kruzer take over. The Tiges should have gone for Wood.

 

[Bojangles17]

Simmo's 29 or 30yo and only 196cm. Pattison is 197cm, and hardly a superstar. Have heard that Miller's trying to get Guy Richards now. Perhaps we'll give you Ackland when he finishes up next year, when Hampson, Aisake and Kruzer take over. The Tiges should have gone for Wood.

Carlton have a massive hole in the rucks Gus graham is better than anything youve got and he is our third string...Our midfield is head and shoulders above Carltons with Edwards already heading Gibbs as a likely type with no-one on yiour list anywhere near Foley...and I havent dared mention defence I leaver that for my next post

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

Parrot,give me a spell on the line about' which greg you prefer" the most over rated type in footy these type of blokes.
The difference between the two is Dick Pratts wallet.
I couldn't give a rats arse if Greg or Barney Miller was at Richmond,Talent is their for everyone to see now,you just need a touch of luck.
I will also defend Pattison until the cows come home,he will be a terrific player,your rucks(and Patto isn't a ruckman) aren't fit to carry his bags.
Just pissing into the wind with your Clokes and Acklands.

 

[parrot]

Parrot,give me a spell on the line about' which greg you prefer" the most over rated type in footy these type of blokes.
The difference between the two is Dick Pratts wallet.
I couldn't give a rats arse if Greg or Barney Miller was at Richmond,Talent is their for everyone to see now,you just need a touch of luck.
I will also defend Pattison until the cows come home,he will be a terrific player,your rucks(and Patto isn't a ruckman) aren't fit to carry his bags.
Just pissing into the wind with your Clokes and Acklands.

Don't agree. I think you have some huge problems on your list still - lack of defensive height, lack of quality developing ruck talent, a shallow midfield, and old forward line, and only one effective KP forward etc etc. You're probably where we were 2-3 years ago. We have a healthy collection of talent on EVERY line now, which wasn't the case 2-3 years ago, because of the draft exclusions. We still have a way to go obviously, and the focus is now on development of our young list. If you do a side-by-side comparision of our 17 deep midfield rotation for example, you'll realise just how far we are ahead of the Tiges at this stage. The point I've made about Miller, is that he's been at Tigerland for a while now, and I can't see progress, in fact things have gone backwards over the past few years. And there are no reasons like massive draft-exclusion penalities to explain it. Has the problem been addressed?

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

But how are we going backwards? Maybe you need to answer your own question Parrot because not many are on the same page.
My only answer is lets just sit back and watch.

 

[parrot]

But how are we going backwards? ...

Well remember back in 2005 when the Tiges had that purple patch and looked like world-beaters. Terry was predicting a top-4 finish. Now look where we are. How do you explain that decline? Injuries? Bad luck? Or list management issues? Something obviously went wrong,

 

[bloods01]

Is this the same Genius that recruited Mark Graham and Kent kingsley?

Don't forget Trent Knobel

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

Well remember back in 2005 when the Tiges had that purple patch and looked like world-beaters. Terry was predicting a top-4 finish. Now look where we are. How do you explain that decline? Injuries? Bad luck? Or list management issues? Something obviously went wrong,

I don't remember being world beaters,where was I? Shattered I missed it.
If you looked at he list then to now,you will see it is much much more inexperienced now.

 

[iRemember87]

I could only quote so many idiots before Big Footy.com gave me a warning 'any more quotes from brain dead Richmond dropkicks will surely cause brain freeze' but its was good to see all the Richmond fans flogging their mouths and failed attempts at bringing down Carlton...

So where to start....to all those displaying where Carlton have finished over the past 5 years lets look right back to 1992 – 2007

Carlton vs Richmond
1992 -7th vs 13th
1993 - 2nd vs 14th
1994 - 5th vs 9th again
1995 - Premiers vs 3rd finals, first time in how many years
1996 - 6th vs 9th
1997 - 11th vs 13th
1998 - 11th vs 9th again
1999 - 2nd vs 12th
2000 - 3rd vs 9th again
2001 - 6th vs 3rd
2002 - 16th vs 14th
2003 - 15th vs 13th
2004 - 11th vs 16th
2005 - 16th vs 12th
2006 - 16th vs 9th again
2007 - 15th vs 16th

If you award points based on finished position (giving the higher team the difference, 1 point for each spot) you get Carlton on 40 and Richmond 21…and the winner is???

So as you can all see Richmond fans can't really talk...as over the past 16 years, happy to go further back if you need it, you have made finals TWICE (12.5%), Carlton have been there 8 times (50%)
- so who has been the worst team, even our poor past 6 years still doesn't have us anywhere near 12.5%
- so go ahead and bag Carlton all you like for the past 6 years, we are still better over the journey and history!!!!

Tanking
The tanking debate is gone, it was never there, Richmond fans who think Carlton tanked, have a look at your own side, go back to round 22, you were beating St. Kilda late into the 4th quarter and found a way to lose...was that tanking?? Wallace said before the game he felt compromised...or was that when he was caught in bed with Mr Miller???
- If Carlton tanked does that make Richmond the biggest joke in the AFL, we supposedly tank the last 11, but still finished 1 game clear of Richmond...might only be one game but we gave you 11 games to get over us!!!
- Considering Carlton played 9 out of 11 games against top 8 contenders which games were Carlton expected and tipped to win??
- Lets not forget Carlton was picked to finish last at the start of the season, so did we tank or meet expectations??

Ruck Division
Are Richmond fans that mislead to think that this guy is a premier ruckman in the comp....to even put him in the same breath as Lade and All Australian (tell him he's dreaming)....Cox, Lade, Everitt, White, Ottens, and this year McIntosh are all ahead of Simmonds...but you tigers fans are intitled to you one eyed opinion!!
- Carlton's Hampson, O'hAlpin, add in Kruzer will jump all over Simmonds, just wait and see...funny thing is that Simmonds is 28 nearing the end of his career and to date has done nothing but play for 3 clubs....who does Richmond have as back up??? Pattison....good luck!! But i guess getting the dud from Collingwood Guy Richards might help somehow.....

The Draft
Some Richmond supporter have been bagging Carlton’s recruiting....don't forget to look at Punt Road....every team makes mistakes that’s a given, but over time and I’ve heard it from many Richmond supporters that their recruiting has been a absolute shambles....you might be picking up some good kids now, but what’s happened for the past 15 years....

And to the idiot that puts Pendleby, Raines, Pearce, Shaw and Thomas ahead of Murphy is seriously looking at the wrong game....Murphy is a great player, and will finish a champion...he was miles ahead in the Rising Star before doing his shoulder, he would have won it hands down, all the experts said he would have won had he played a full season, some said he still should have won it....so have a real look, but don't worry in years to come you'll have plenty one time in September to watch young Murphy and Gibbs

We have the youngest list in the comp, with the least experience and we still managed to finish ahead of Richmond, and will again for the next 10 years....we have most of our young kicks with 2 years experience, 1 more and they'll be ready for the next big assault in the AFL along with the Hawks...but there will be no place for the toothless tigers!!!

Tiger fans should ask themselves a couple a questions….
- Why did Judd, Hooper, Brennan either resign, choose another club or nominate another club other than Richmond….they all want to play for a team who has that chance of finals….
- How is the Wallace 15 year plan going…..how many more years do you need before seeing results….or is the mediocre 12th, 9th 16th good enough?? Surely after 3 years with 2 remaining in this wiz bang plan the 3rd year you should be higher than 16th??
- Who is going to fill the hole left by Richo, Brown, Johnson, J Bowden, and Simmonds in 2-3 years??
- When will I ever see a premiership or even footy finals again?
- Why did Wayne Carey say we had the worst list in the AFL?? and I didn’t hear Lyon, Caro or Hutchison disagree???
- When will the club get rid of Mr. Miller??
- and why are Carlton still superior??

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

I see alot of Buckley in Judd

 

[Bojangles17]

I could only quote so many idiots before Big Footy.com gave me a warning ]

failed to read any further , nothing but a waste of MB...not suprised you get the repeated warnings posting on the Carlton board so often

 

[len_jet]

I could only quote so many idiots before Big Footy.com gave me a warning 'any more quotes from brain dead Richmond dropkicks will surely cause brain freeze' but its was good to see all the Richmond fans flogging their mouths and failed attempts at bringing down Carlton...

So where to start....to all those displaying where Carlton have finished over the past 5 years lets look right back to 1992 – 2007

Carlton vs Richmond
1992 -7th vs 13th
1993 - 2nd vs 14th
1994 - 5th vs 9th again
1995 - Premiers vs 3rd finals, first time in how many years
1996 - 6th vs 9th
1997 - 11th vs 13th
1998 - 11th vs 9th again
1999 - 2nd vs 12th
2000 - 3rd vs 9th again
2001 - 6th vs 3rd
2002 - 16th vs 14th
2003 - 15th vs 13th
2004 - 11th vs 16th
2005 - 16th vs 12th
2006 - 16th vs 9th again
2007 - 15th vs 16th

If you award points based on finished position (giving the higher team the difference, 1 point for each spot) you get Carlton on 40 and Richmond 21…and the winner is???

So as you can all see Richmond fans can't really talk...as over the past 16 years, happy to go further back if you need it, you have made finals TWICE (12.5%), Carlton have been there 8 times (50%)
- so who has been the worst team, even our poor past 6 years still doesn't have us anywhere near 12.5%
- so go ahead and bag Carlton all you like for the past 6 years, we are still better over the journey and history!!!!

Tanking
The tanking debate is gone, it was never there, Richmond fans who think Carlton tanked, have a look at your own side, go back to round 22, you were beating St. Kilda late into the 4th quarter and found a way to lose...was that tanking?? Wallace said before the game he felt compromised...or was that when he was caught in bed with Mr Miller???
- If Carlton tanked does that make Richmond the biggest joke in the AFL, we supposedly tank the last 11, but still finished 1 game clear of Richmond...might only be one game but we gave you 11 games to get over us!!!
- Considering Carlton played 9 out of 11 games against top 8 contenders which games were Carlton expected and tipped to win??
- Lets not forget Carlton was picked to finish last at the start of the season, so did we tank or meet expectations??

Ruck Division
Are Richmond fans that mislead to think that this guy is a premier ruckman in the comp....to even put him in the same breath as Lade and All Australian (tell him he's dreaming)....Cox, Lade, Everitt, White, Ottens, and this year McIntosh are all ahead of Simmonds...but you tigers fans are intitled to you one eyed opinion!!
- Carlton's Hampson, O'hAlpin, add in Kruzer will jump all over Simmonds, just wait and see...funny thing is that Simmonds is 28 nearing the end of his career and to date has done nothing but play for 3 clubs....who does Richmond have as back up??? Pattison....good luck!! But i guess getting the dud from Collingwood Guy Richards might help somehow.....

The Draft
Some Richmond supporter have been bagging Carlton’s recruiting....don't forget to look at Punt Road....every team makes mistakes that’s a given, but over time and I’ve heard it from many Richmond supporters that their recruiting has been a absolute shambles....you might be picking up some good kids now, but what’s happened for the past 15 years....

And to the idiot that puts Pendleby, Raines, Pearce, Shaw and Thomas ahead of Murphy is seriously looking at the wrong game....Murphy is a great player, and will finish a champion...he was miles ahead in the Rising Star before doing his shoulder, he would have won it hands down, all the experts said he would have won had he played a full season, some said he still should have won it....so have a real look, but don't worry in years to come you'll have plenty one time in September to watch young Murphy and Gibbs

We have the youngest list in the comp, with the least experience and we still managed to finish ahead of Richmond, and will again for the next 10 years....we have most of our young kicks with 2 years experience, 1 more and they'll be ready for the next big assault in the AFL along with the Hawks...but there will be no place for the toothless tigers!!!

Tiger fans should ask themselves a couple a questions….
- Why did Judd, Hooper, Brennan either resign, choose another club or nominate another club other than Richmond….they all want to play for a team who has that chance of finals….
- How is the Wallace 15 year plan going…..how many more years do you need before seeing results….or is the mediocre 12th, 9th 16th good enough?? Surely after 3 years with 2 remaining in this wiz bang plan the 3rd year you should be higher than 16th??
- Who is going to fill the hole left by Richo, Brown, Johnson, J Bowden, and Simmonds in 2-3 years??
- When will I ever see a premiership or even footy finals again?
- Why did Wayne Carey say we had the worst list in the AFL?? and I didn’t hear Lyon, Caro or Hutchison disagree???
- When will the club get rid of Mr. Miller??
- and why are Carlton still superior??

This is a Richmond board champ... logical thoughts don't belong on this board! Take them and run please!

 

[I Rock]

Carlton vs Richmond
1992 -7th vs 13th
1993 - 2nd vs 14th
1994 - 5th vs 9th again
1995 - Premiers vs 3rd finals, first time in how many years
1996 - 6th vs 9th
1997 - 11th vs 13th
1998 - 11th vs 9th again
1999 - 2nd vs 12th
2000 - 3rd vs 9th again
2001 - 6th vs 3rd
2002 - 16th vs 14th
2003 - 15th vs 13th
2004 - 11th vs 16th
2005 - 16th vs 12th
2006 - 16th vs 9th again
2007 - 15th vs 16th

CARLTON.
Cheated the Salary cap is the area in bold. The underlined area is when the club got a freebie hand out from the AFL to put them on par with such power houses as the Kangaroos and Bulldogs. The red area is when the club was run by a convicted crook.

But that's ok White Collar Crime is no biggy in this country and beside you guys are Carlton. Can't wait for this Board to get done for dodgy dealings and we can watch the stain that is Princess Park get dealt with again.

 

[pumpter]

Can't believe all this talk about Jordan McMahon's superb foot skills. When i think of superb foot skills i think of Buckley, Jarman, Gilbee but certainly not McMahon. He can't kick more than 45 metres on his left and 30 metres on his right. Can absolutely butcher the footy when on the run. Is extrmely quick but thats about it. Will be well past it by the time the Tigers are ready to mount a serious challenge for the flag.

If Miller is a dead set genius then he would have landed Judd rather than pay over the odds for Jordan McMahon.

 

[_RT_]

I could only quote so many idiots before Big Footy.com gave me a warning 'any more quotes from brain dead Richmond dropkicks will surely cause brain freeze' but its was good to see all the Richmond fans flogging their mouths and failed attempts at bringing down Carlton...

So where to start....to all those displaying where Carlton have finished over the past 5 years lets look right back to 1992 – 2007

Carlton vs Richmond
1992 -7th vs 13th
1993 - 2nd vs 14th
1994 - 5th vs 9th again
1995 - Premiers vs 3rd finals, first time in how many years
1996 - 6th vs 9th
1997 - 11th vs 13th
1998 - 11th vs 9th again
1999 - 2nd vs 12th
2000 - 3rd vs 9th again
2001 - 6th vs 3rd
2002 - 16th vs 14th
2003 - 15th vs 13th
2004 - 11th vs 16th
2005 - 16th vs 12th
2006 - 16th vs 9th again
2007 - 15th vs 16th

If you award points based on finished position (giving the higher team the difference, 1 point for each spot) you get Carlton on 40 and Richmond 21…and the winner is???

So as you can all see Richmond fans can't really talk...as over the past 16 years, happy to go further back if you need it, you have made finals TWICE (12.5%), Carlton have been there 8 times (50%)
- so who has been the worst team, even our poor past 6 years still doesn't have us anywhere near 12.5%
- so go ahead and bag Carlton all you like for the past 6 years, we are still better over the journey and history!!!!

Not going to bother with this dribble as it has no basis at all when it comes to the current teams.

Tanking
The tanking debate is gone, it was never there, Richmond fans who think Carlton tanked, have a look at your own side, go back to round 22, you were beating St. Kilda late into the 4th quarter and found a way to lose...was that tanking?? Wallace said before the game he felt compromised...or was that when he was caught in bed with Mr Miller???
- If Carlton tanked does that make Richmond the biggest joke in the AFL, we supposedly tank the last 11, but still finished 1 game clear of Richmond...might only be one game but we gave you 11 games to get over us!!!
- Considering Carlton played 9 out of 11 games against top 8 contenders which games were Carlton expected and tipped to win??
- Lets not forget Carlton was picked to finish last at the start of the season, so did we tank or meet expectations??

Carlton fans still claiming that they didn't tank hey. If you guys didn't tank the last half of the season then you would have to admit that your list is crap as you can't have it both ways.

Which team loses 11 games straight one that is crap or one that is tanking?

As for your example of Richmond tanking, here is a list of games that Carlton were ahead in during the 11 game run:
Lead the Pies by 6 points at 3/4 time lost by 24.
Lead Port by 3 points at 3/4 time coming back from 6 goals down at 1/2 time yet lost by 23 points.
Led the Dons at 1/2 time, 1 point down at 3/4 time, IIRC led in the last quarter and lost by 10 points.

Ruck Division
Are Richmond fans that mislead to think that this guy is a premier ruckman in the comp....to even put him in the same breath as Lade and All Australian (tell him he's dreaming)....Cox, Lade, Everitt, White, Ottens, and this year McIntosh are all ahead of Simmonds...but you tigers fans are intitled to you one eyed opinion!!
- Carlton's Hampson, O'hAlpin, add in Kruzer will jump all over Simmonds, just wait and see...funny thing is that Simmonds is 28 nearing the end of his career and to date has done nothing but play for 3 clubs....who does Richmond have as back up??? Pattison....good luck!! But i guess getting the dud from Collingwood Guy Richards might help somehow.....

Simmonds was widely considered the 3rd best ruckman in 2006 and unfortunately he suffered serious injuries this year, I gather it is pure coincidence that our number 1 ruckman was missing for 12 games this year and we went from an 11 win team last year to a 3.5 win team this year. Interesting to note that you have listed 6 ruckmen ahead of Simmonds yet not one of them is a Carlton player. Would much rather have the 7th best ruckman in the comp that untried kids or hacks like Cloke and Ackland carrying the load.

BTW, You can claim that Hampson, O'hAilpin and Kruezer will jump all over him until the cows come home but until they actually do it is nothing more than your opinion. Stop stating it as fact.

The Draft
Some Richmond supporter have been bagging Carlton’s recruiting....don't forget to look at Punt Road....every team makes mistakes that’s a given, but over time and I’ve heard it from many Richmond supporters that their recruiting has been a absolute shambles....you might be picking up some good kids now, but what’s happened for the past 15 years....

And to the idiot that puts Pendleby, Raines, Pearce, Shaw and Thomas ahead of Murphy is seriously looking at the wrong game....Murphy is a great player, and will finish a champion...he was miles ahead in the Rising Star before doing his shoulder, he would have won it hands down, all the experts said he would have won had he played a full season, some said he still should have won it....so have a real look, but don't worry in years to come you'll have plenty one time in September to watch young Murphy and Gibbs

We have the youngest list in the comp, with the least experience and we still managed to finish ahead of Richmond, and will again for the next 10 years....we have most of our young kicks with 2 years experience, 1 more and they'll be ready for the next big assault in the AFL along with the Hawks...but there will be no place for the toothless tigers!!!

How many players from 15 years ago are still playing on Richmonds list, one Richo, mistakes that were made back then again have little effect on what the players do now. Since Wallace took over the mess that was left by Frawley he has turned over more players that any other coach.

As it stands right now Richmond have 28 players who will be 23 or younger heading into next year, could be as high as 35 after the drafts. Carlton will have 24 players 23 or younger at the start of next season. Only reason Carlton have a younger average age is because they got rid of all the blokes over 28 except Stevens.

Tiger fans should ask themselves a couple a questions….
- Why did Judd, Hooper, Brennan either resign, choose another club or nominate another club other than Richmond….they all want to play for a team who has that chance of finals….
- How is the Wallace 15 year plan going…..how many more years do you need before seeing results….or is the mediocre 12th, 9th 16th good enough?? Surely after 3 years with 2 remaining in this wiz bang plan the 3rd year you should be higher than 16th??
- Who is going to fill the hole left by Richo, Brown, Johnson, J Bowden, and Simmonds in 2-3 years??
- When will I ever see a premiership or even footy finals again?
- Why did Wayne Carey say we had the worst list in the AFL?? and I didn’t hear Lyon, Caro or Hutchison disagree???
- When will the club get rid of Mr. Miller??
- and why are Carlton still superior??

To answer your questions, firstly the players not coming to Richmond, Judd signed with Carlton chasing money plain and simple, Hooper got a bigger offer from Brisbane than they wanted to give so we may have shaken someone else loose like Brennan, who although he would like to play for the Dons he has little choice if he enters the PSD.

Wallace's plan is progressing nicely while the wins may not be there to celebrate the team is coming together nicely. Thanks for your concern, can you tell us what Rattens plan is? Perhaps give it to Judd and hope he is Jesus returned and can perform miracles.

Can you answer me a question now, Carlton has had 5 top 10 draft picks in the last 4 years and another 1 this year, how many more are needed before they actually start climbing up the ladder?

 

[Bojangles17]

Can't believe all this talk about Jordan McMahon's superb foot skills. When i think of superb foot skills i think of Buckley, Jarman, Gilbee but certainly not McMahon. He can't kick more than 45 metres on his left and 30 metres on his right. .

hang on are you confusing him with walker, whats he good for again, talk of drafting doozies, he's right up there with Livingstone and Kennedy

 

[W. Smithers]

So where to start....to all those displaying where Carlton have finished over the past 5 years lets look right back to 1992 – 2007

Carlton vs Richmond
1992 -7th vs 13th
1993 - 2nd vs 14th
1994 - 5th vs 9th again
1995 - Premiers vs 3rd finals, first time in how many years
1996 - 6th vs 9th
1997 - 11th vs 13th
1998 - 11th vs 9th again
1999 - 2nd vs 12th
2000 - 3rd vs 9th again
2001 - 6th vs 3rd
2002 - 16th vs 14th
2003 - 15th vs 13th
2004 - 11th vs 16th
2005 - 16th vs 12th
2006 - 16th vs 9th again
2007 - 15th vs 16th

If you award points based on finished position (giving the higher team the difference, 1 point for each spot) you get Carlton on 40 and Richmond 21…and the winner is???

I thought we were arguing rebuilding since 2004. 1992 is pointless, only a couple of AFL players are still around from that era.

Tanking
- If Carlton tanked does that make Richmond the biggest joke in the AFL, we supposedly tank the last 11, but still finished 1 game clear of Richmond...might only be one game but we gave you 11 games to get over us!!!

Six games

Pagan lost his job because Carlton was losing. This is a guy who wanted a win to keep his job.

You got rid of Pagan because there was a risk YOU MIGHT WIN A GAME!

Ratten tanked, he got the green light to tank. You tanked for six rounds.

Ruck Division
- Carlton's Hampson, O'hAlpin, add in Kruzer will jump all over Simmonds, just wait and see...funny thing is that Simmonds is 28 nearing the end of his career and to date has done nothing but play for 3 clubs....who does Richmond have as back up??? Pattison....good luck!! But i guess getting the dud from Collingwood Guy Richards might help somehow.....

Funny how Carlton fans are too ashamed to mention C. Ackland, C. Cloke and D. McLaren (RIP).

That's right we got Kingsley, but on minimum wage and he's already left us. You signed up Ackland on the big bucks and for 3 years. lol

The Draft
We have the youngest list in the comp, with the least experience and we still managed to finish ahead of Richmond,

Waaayy ahead... what was it, half a game

Tiger fans should ask themselves a couple a questions….
- Why did Judd, Hooper, Brennan either resign, choose another club or nominate another club other than Richmond….they all want to play for a team who has that chance of finals….

Judd wanted as much money as he could get, without the threat of teammates improving and moving in on his booty. Carlton has the worst young talent in the league, hence his decision.

The others... meh, who cares.

- How is the Wallace 15 year plan going…..how many more years do you need before seeing results….or is the mediocre 12th, 9th 16th good enough?? Surely after 3 years with 2 remaining in this wiz bang plan the 3rd year you should be higher than 16th??

Does Carlton even have a plan? 6 years down the bottom, tons of top ten picks, no improvement.

- Who is going to fill the hole left by Richo, Brown, Johnson, J Bowden, and Simmonds in 2-3 years??

It's nice having to worry about replacing good players... who is going to replace Wiggins, Saddington and Whitnall. lol