Miller...Griffiths.....Post

[TigerTime88]

When Brad Miller was originally drafted Damien Hardwick said it was as a backup for our young KPF's in Vickery, Post and Griffiths, as well as Jack I guess.

Halfway through the season Miller has played the majority of games. Meanwhile Post, Griffiths, Gourdis have all been playing the majority of time in the VFL. Post has been getting in the best in the VFL most weeks. Griffiths has now been back for a number of weeks and the Goo has been playing well all year and finally gets his chance.

What annoys me is it seems Dimma is straying away from his initial reason for gaining Miller and that is purely as a backup. Nothing against Miller he has been very serviceable, but Griffiths/Post would do a very similar job playing forward and are the long term holders of this possie. I am really disliking the fact that Post has only played 2 games and Griffiths yet to get a call up.

There is no way Post has any chance of getting some form up coming in one game and then getting dropped, to come up again a month later and again get dropped. You need to give these guys a chance to keep up with the speed of the game.

Miller is not the long term option and needs to be dropped because even though we are a finals chance long term we are better off pumping games into Post/Griffiths playing on the forward line with Jack and Vickery than to continue stop gapping with Miller. I personally don't think Miller could do much better than these two and therefore it won't make a huge difference, but even if it does these are the sacrifices that need to be made for LONG TERM GAINS and hopefully a premiership.

 

[Madtiger2006]

I'll trust Dimma's judgement although i find it painfull seeing Miller in the side ahead of Post and Griffiths in the forward line. Both players would easily get 10 possessions a game up forward with our talented midfield moving the ball forward. 10 possessions a game will gaurantee you a couple of score involvements. Post was doing this late last year up forward. All he needs is a good run of games and his confidence would skyrocket. Pretty simple really. Apart from being in the right spot sometimes, Miller's hardly touches the ball. Has a vertical leap of 9cm and runs 100m in 40 seconds

 

[telsor]

2 reasons Miller gets a game.

1. With his workrate, he gives the team better structure, and the only real option up forward thus far (Post) just wouldn't do that nearly as well. It might help Posts development to play him instead, but it'd hurt the development of a dozen other players who are getting used to this structure (particularly Vickery, but also the mids/small forwards).

2. Post has been crap this year...If he was able to produce 90% as much as Miller, he'd probably get the nod for development's sake...But he isn't doing that.

 

[Madtiger2006]

2 reasons Miller gets a game.

1. With his workrate, he gives the team better structure, and the only real option up forward thus far (Post) just wouldn't do that nearly as well. It might help Posts development to play him instead, but it'd hurt the development of a dozen other players who are getting used to this structure (particularly Vickery, but also the mids/small forwards).

2. Post has been crap this year...If he was able to produce 90% as much as Miller, he'd probably get the nod for development's sake...But he isn't doing that.

What 6 possessions a game and the occasional use of the body? Gee that's pretty hard

 

[I Rock]

Players can still develop whilst playing in the Magoo's. Post has not dominated at AFL level and Griffith's is still a way bit off senior recall. Once either of those are banging down the door Miller will be dropped back.

I am not Millers greatist fan and were neither here not there at his recruitment; however he has had a solid year. As far as Saturday night goes
I would suspect Miller comes out firing and wouldn't be surprised if he kicks 4 or 5.

I would think that a spot in the 8 after 15 rounds would be good for the development of the entire club. If finals becomes out of reach this season Miller would very quickly find himself back in the VFL. If one of the younger guys is banging on the door, Miller will find himself in the VFL.

 

[Wallaby]

Backup means - if the young kids get injured, or don't come on.

Well, Griffiths has been injured, and Post has been poor. let them prove they are better than what Miller has to offer - or even show that they might be capable of more than what Miller is delivering right now.

For all the hype about Griffiths, in his 5 AFL games last year, he had a total of 8 kicks and 4 marks - that would be a fairly average return for one game let alone 5 (he did kick 3 goals).

If Griffiths is so good, let's see him at least show he's better than VFL-level first.

 

[Goldust]

LIKE seriously ... Griffiths five games last year were the most overrated five games in AFL history.
Yeah we won all five games ... was Griff the reason ... NO!
He barely touched the ball, as rightly pointed out by Wallaby.
Not lost on me the guy is about two or three weeks removed from a long-term injury and was largely ineffectual at Coburg last week.
THERE IS NO RUSH WITH HIM!!!
I think you will the reason why Miller is preffered at this stage is because he is performing. He's kicking goals and making his presence felt and if he ever straightens his kicking up he is destined for a big haul.
Post has never looked like doing this.
Miller is the best fit for the team right now .. end of story. And this really didn't need a 15th or 16th thread devoted to the same lame arguments re Miller!

 

[TOOs_Finest]

Players can still develop whilst playing in the Magoo's. Post has not dominated at AFL level and Griffith's is still a way bit off senior recall. Once either of those are banging down the door Miller will be dropped back.

I am not Millers greatist fan and were neither here not there at his recruitment; however he has had a solid year. As far as Saturday night goes
I would suspect Miller comes out firing and wouldn't be surprised if he kicks 4 or 5.

I would think that a spot in the 8 after 15 rounds would be good for the development of the entire club. If finals becomes out of reach this season Miller would very quickly find himself back in the VFL. If one of the younger guys is banging on the door, Miller will find himself in the VFL.

I think you are on the mark here mate. Add to that, that we don't actually know for sure what position Post is ear-marked for. I think it helps to have one seasoned head in the forward line for now, until someone else literally pushes him out of the side. Hopefully the coaches sit down with the younger forwards (Griff/Post/Westhoff) and constantly review what Miller does each game, such that, once they are promoted, they know what is expected.

 

[docko911]

Miller isn't meant to be here to be the best option. He is the back-up for injury only. The number 1 reason he was brought in was to help the VFL team with structure and help coach the forwards down there. Well what a load of bullshit he has done sweet FA towards the VFL side and hasn't helped develop shit. I honestly have no idea what this structure is people keep talking about because all i remember is Miller getting in the way by making marking contests congested. Also how he is helping the forward line playing in the ruck is beyond me. I just find it unacceptable that Tuck can't get a game because of development but we are more than happy to play Miller who is considerably worse over our young forwards. Post is getting bent over if you ask me and should've played 7-8 games by now and probably would be as good as Miller after those.

How are our forwards going to learn to play with each other if some are in the AFL and some are in the VFL.

 

[mitch richmond]

Backup means - if the young kids get injured, or don't come on.

Well, Griffiths has been injured, and Post has been poor. let them prove they are better than what Miller has to offer - or even show that they might be capable of more than what Miller is delivering right now.

For all the hype about Griffiths, in his 5 AFL games last year, he had a total of 8 kicks and 4 marks - that would be a fairly average return for one game let alone 5 (he did kick 3 goals).

If Griffiths is so good, let's see him at least show he's better than VFL-level first.

Agree. If his surname was Oakley-Nicholls, Pettifer, Tivendale or Pattison some people on here would be egging his house by now.

 

[_Wang_]

Why do we need this thread its been done to death..

When Post or griffiths show something they will take Millers Spot.

Post was very ordinary bordering on a liability at the Gabba Saturday night, hes not up to it yet.

 

[deled3]

Why do we need this thread its been done to death..

When Post or griffiths show something they will take Millers Spot.

Post was very ordinary bordering on a liability at the Gabba Saturday night, hes not up to it yet.

Agreed, I think the answer to this topic is bordering on bloody obvious. Griff most likely wouldn't be able to run out a game at senior level and Post has shown very little. If either were knocking down the door everyone would be yelling for Miller to get dropped.

 

[Bazzar]

No one knows with 100% certainty the real reason Dimma got Miller into the club. We have heard (and I believe it) it was as a back up and a mature body and footy brain for on the track and in the rooms. But a back up for what? Do we really know if Dimma even rates Post? None of us here are qualified to make accurate calls on players, just like experts from the club often get it wrong, but so far Post hasn’t shown he will make it at this level.

Why keep playing him when he is basically like his name sake out on the ground, a fence post. If he had some mongrel and wanted to put his body on the line and crash some packs then their would be a case to play him for the rest of the year next to Jack and Big Vick, but it just doesn’t happen.

So for the sake of the “teams” development he is the perfect fit until Griff or some new recruit we don’t know about from next year is ready to take his place. He has been a very good pick up.

 

[telsor]

What 6 possessions a game and the occasional use of the body? Gee that's pretty hard

And yet, the coaching staff still don't think Post is up to that...

I'm not suggesting Miller is good, just that, this year, he's been better than Post.

 

[Madtiger2006]

And yet, the coaching staff still don't think Post is up to that...

Was talking about Miller
As for Post, you need opportunity to prove your worth at afl level. He's not here to prove his worth at vfl level.

 

[Bazzar]

What 6 possessions a game and the occasional use of the body? Gee that's pretty hard

Its about time you took the off and open your eyes. Miller is doing exactly what his job up forward is. And that is to ensure Jack and Vick dont get multiple opponents and its showing. Even though Jack has been quiet, he is still 2 goals away from leading the Colaman, and Big Vick has been a revelation and is providing a bit of a headache for opposition coaches, and our small crumbers like Kingie are having a ball feeding of them, and not to mention when Dusty goes forward their is generally a defender short to handle him.

These basic stats show just how Miller is competing. Its simple, if his numbers wernt good and he was just filling space he would be dropped, but he isnt because he is to valuable to the "team"


Goals

Riewoldt 3.3
Vickery 1.8
Miller 1.0


Inside 50 target average so far this year.

Riewoldt 13.1
Miller 5.5
Vickery 4.8

Marks inside 50.

Riewoldt 2.8
Vickery 1.9
Miller 1.6


Average tackles per game inside 50

Riewoldt 0.8
Miller 0.8
Vickery 0.4

Effective tackles inside 50

Riewoldt 1.8
Miller 1.5
Vickery 1.0

Score assist.

Riewoldt 1.7
Miller 1.2
Vickery 0.7

Missed shots.

Riewoldt 0.3
Miller 0.2
Vickery 0.1

1%ers

Miller 3.1
Riewoldt 3.0
Vickery 2.8

And before the usual suspects start on the stats smatch crap, todays paper had an article on extending Dimmas contract and how annually he fronts the board to present his KPIs. In other words his and the teams stats.

 

[telsor]

Was talking about Miller
As for Post, you need opportunity to prove your worth at afl level. He's not here to prove his worth at vfl level.

I know...I added to my post to make my reply clearer. Miller bad, Post worse.

I don't think the coaches have a lot of faith/hope left for Post. That they're targetting Trengove would seem to confirm it.

I've thought for a while that one of Post/Gourdis would get the chop this year, with one (probably Post) being kept because losing 3 KPDs (the 3rd being Thursty) at once was a bit too much...If they get Trengove though, I suspect they're both gone.

 

[Madtiger2006]

I know...I added to my post to make my reply clearer. Miller bad, Post worse.

I don't think the coaches have a lot of faith/hope left for Post. That they're targetting Trengove would seem to confirm it.

I've thought for a while that one of Post/Gourdis would get the chop this year, with one (probably Post) being kept because losing 3 KPDs (the 3rd being Thursty) at once was a bit too much...If they get Trengove though, I suspect they're both gone.

Hardwick seems to think Post will be a quality player. Has said it a few times

 

[delediofan3]

When Brad Miller was originally drafted Damien Hardwick said it was as a backup for our young KPF's in Vickery, Post and Griffiths, as well as Jack I guess.

Halfway through the season Miller has played the majority of games. Meanwhile Post, Griffiths, Gourdis have all been playing the majority of time in the VFL. Post has been getting in the best in the VFL most weeks. Griffiths has now been back for a number of weeks and the Goo has been playing well all year and finally gets his chance.

What annoys me is it seems Dimma is straying away from his initial reason for gaining Miller and that is purely as a backup. Nothing against Miller he has been very serviceable, but Griffiths/Post would do a very similar job playing forward and are the long term holders of this possie. I am really disliking the fact that Post has only played 2 games and Griffiths yet to get a call up.

There is no way Post has any chance of getting some form up coming in one game and then getting dropped, to come up again a month later and again get dropped. You need to give these guys a chance to keep up with the speed of the game.

Miller is not the long term option and needs to be dropped because even though we are a finals chance long term we are better off pumping games into Post/Griffiths playing on the forward line with Jack and Vickery than to continue stop gapping with Miller. I personally don't think Miller could do much better than these two and therefore it won't make a huge difference, but even if it does these are the sacrifices that need to be made for LONG TERM GAINS and hopefully a premiership.

Stop joking around

 

[telsor]

Hardwick seems to think Post will be a quality player. Has said it a few times

Perhaps he does, but the evidence (how he's treated) doesn't seem to be going that way, does it.

The head coach is hardly going to come out and publically say anyone on his list is a spud, is he?

 

[The Jerk]

Way too many people here who have a narrow viewed definition of back up.

No way does back up mean only to cover for injuries.

Back up can also be for the situation were a player is ear marked for a position (post/griffiths) but are no where up to it developmentally. Meaning a back up player can be used as a stop gap measure (i.e. miller) and plays in front of those under devloped player.

ridiculous ploy to play young KP players when they are not ready, can actually put them back a season or two. .

 

[rammbo]

Its about time you took the off and open your eyes. Miller is doing exactly what his job up forward is. And that is to ensure Jack and Vick dont get multiple opponents and its showing. Even though Jack has been quiet, he is still 2 goals away from leading the Colaman, and Big Vick has been a revelation and is providing a bit of a headache for opposition coaches, and our small crumbers like Kingie are having a ball feeding of them, and not to mention when Dusty goes forward their is generally a defender short to handle him.

These basic stats show just how Miller is competing. Its simple, if his numbers wernt good and he was just filling space he would be dropped, but he isnt because he is to valuable to the "team"


Goals

Riewoldt 3.3
Vickery 1.8
Miller 1.0


Inside 50 target average so far this year.

Riewoldt 13.1
Miller 5.5
Vickery 4.8

Marks inside 50.

Riewoldt 2.8
Vickery 1.9
Miller 1.6


Average tackles per game inside 50

Riewoldt 0.8
Miller 0.8
Vickery 0.4

Effective tackles inside 50

Riewoldt 1.8
Miller 1.5
Vickery 1.0

Score assist.

Riewoldt 1.7
Miller 1.2
Vickery 0.7

Missed shots.

Riewoldt 0.3
Miller 0.2
Vickery 0.1

1%ers

Miller 3.1
Riewoldt 3.0
Vickery 2.8

And before the usual suspects start on the stats smatch crap, todays paper had an article on extending Dimmas contract and how annually he fronts the board to present his KPIs. In other words his and the teams stats.

You can play with stats to make it look like a superficial gain wat ya need to add is team deflating missed goals, marks ,handballs,frees against,non competitive acts ,goals directly resulting from turnovers, frees,simple shots on goals missed,also times he has stuffed up chances for other players by gettn in the way .The stats ABOVE R also misleading in the fact your chf would b closer to the action and more opportunities to get in the action anyhow .

 

[_Wang_]

Perhaps he does, but the evidence (how he's treated) doesn't seem to be going that way, does it.

The head coach is hardly going to come out and publically say anyone on his list is a spud, is he?

Agree 100%

 

[Madtiger2006]

Perhaps he does, but the evidence (how he's treated) doesn't seem to be going that way, does it.

The head coach is hardly going to come out and publically say anyone on his list is a spud, is he?

He wouldn't even mention him if he didn't rate him. It's obvious he's teaching Post to tough way to the top

 

[Morro]

I said this when Miller was drafted,

He is now our 2nd best KPF and will play every game until the season is considered over. In that time, Ty has overtaken him as our 2nd best forward but we still require a 3rd. Miller is in front of Griff and Post on form and is doing his job. I also predicted he would kick 30 odd goals for the year which looks likely.

I am still confident that whilst finals are still a chance, Miller will continue to play, when or if finals are no longer realistic, Post or Griff who will still be behind Miller on form and output but will take his place as we concentrate on development.

I am sick of the develop the kids at the expense of the team crap. They can earn a spot at Coburg if someone, regardless of age is playing better.

We can still play finals this year and look back at alot of successful development achieved this year.

Even Gold Coast have mature aged players like Miller to guide the young blokes and I bet they are not concerned about development.