Research Missing DOD or DOB for League players (AFL)

[rbartlett]

Thank you for all that information. Very helpful
Jack Smith btw died in 1965 (month/and day unknown) in Parkdale. WHL put me in contact with his grand daughter this after.

Laird Smith played for Richmond from 193-1941, 1945 https://tigerlandarchive.org/tiki-index.php?page=Laird+Smith

 

[Harry Hook]

I posted this on the "war thread"

"I found a very interesting possible player that needs far more research.

Attached is an extract of the Argus of 10 October 1916
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article1627478

If you look at the entry for Frederick Huntley it says that he was killed in action and that he played cricket for Collingwood and football with the League club.

That he played cricket with Collingwood is not in dispute as Frederck William Huntley is listed as having played for Collingwood cricket club and being born in 1895.

Only problem is that no Huntley is listed as having played football for Collingwood at all. The list of Collingwood players has a Les Huntington who played 4 games for Collingwood in 1914( when Huntley would have been 19) but no Huntley.

Are we talking about a name change and a new football ANZAC."

Is there anything in this.

 

[Harry Hook]

Huntley was definitely at Collingwood as a cricketer for the Collingwood player's team.

This report of the Referee of 29 September 1915 says he enlisted.

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article129344685

He is not however listed in Collingwood's 57 ANZACs on their website.

Now if he is supposed to be Les Huntington from Coburg, in 1915, there was a W Huntington of Coburg

Brunswick Leader 9 April 1915

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-page8485978

What confuses the issue further is there was a Jack Huntington who played for Melbourne in 1914 also from Coburg and later who also played cricket for Coburg according to Demonwiki.

 

[GreyCrow]

I posted this on the "war thread"

"I found a very interesting possible player that needs far more research.

Attached is an extract of the Argus of 10 October 1916
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article1627478

If you look at the entry for Frederick Huntley it says that he was killed in action and that he played cricket for Collingwood and football with the League club.

That he played cricket with Collingwood is not in dispute as Frederck William Huntley is listed as having played for Collingwood cricket club and being born in 1895.

Only problem is that no Huntley is listed as having played football for Collingwood at all. The list of Collingwood players has a Les Huntington who played 4 games for Collingwood in 1914( when Huntley would have been 19) but no Huntley.

Are we talking about a name change and a new football ANZAC."

Is there anything in this.

His own family (brother Herbert) , in his death notice only state Cricket. I would have thought Football might have had a mention as well.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article155158938 as a Brother I would have made mention of both if they were relevant.

 

[rbartlett]

Eighth Batch of missing DOD


*Gordon Stanley Green (Nth Melb 1942) (B: 31/5/1925 Original club Bendigo)
James "Jim" Arthur Greenham (Foots 1937-41, 1943-45) (B: 16/11/1915 Original club Footscray Tech O.B) Believed to have died in 1993 in QLD perhaps
John "Jack" Emmet Hannagan (Stk 1905) (B: 16/5/1885 Original club: Brighton)
Roger "Bill" Musgrove Hearn (Rich 1935) (B: 4/3/1914 Original club: South Ballarat). Died prior to 1976. WW2 Army

 

[RedmanWasHere]

John "Jack" Emmet Hannagan (Stk 1905) (B: 16/5/1885 Original club: Brighton)

According to Ancestry trees, Hannagan died 40 years ago from Thursday in South Australia.

BillionGraves backs this up as well.

https://billiongraves.com/grave/John-Emmett-Hannagan/18939135.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Bonus: Hannagan's wife obit appeared in the Addy in 1951 which helpfully named their children but, 2 of those kids don't have showing names on any of the public trees which means they're possibly alive.

 

[35Daicos]

According to Ancestry trees, Hannagan died 40 years ago from Thursday in South Australia.

BillionGraves backs this up as well.

https://billiongraves.com/grave/John-Emmett-Hannagan/18939135.

From today (12 Sept.)?

 

[RedmanWasHere]

From today (12 Sept.)?

I try to be fancy again and come off looking like a spud.

 

[the croucher]

Eighth Batch of missing DOD

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Roger "Bill" Musgrove Hearn (Rich 1935) (B: 4/3/1914 Original club: South Ballarat). Died prior to 1976. WW@ Army

Just a query about Hearn. Ref made to him serving in WW2 - where does this come from I wonder,
as at the moment I cannot find him mentioned on the Nominal Roll site
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/NameSearch.aspx

 

[the croucher]

Eighth Batch of missing DOD
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James "Jim" Arthur Greenham (Foots 1937-41, 1943-45) (B: 16/11/1915 Original club Footscray Tech O.B) Believed to have died in 1993 in QLD perhaps
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Some Ancestry family trees have year of death as 1993, others have the year as 1995.
None that I've seen so far have an independent source cited for whichever claim is being made.

 

[WhiteHartLane23]

Just a query about Hearn. Ref made to him serving in WW2 - where does this come from I wonder, as at the moment I cannot find him mentioned on the Nominal Roll site
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/NameSearch.aspx

I was looking at this last night
I think he served under the name William Hearn - http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=468678
He had already had several several run ins with the law and been in jail by that time so perhaps that led him to use a different name...
His mother's name was Sarah so it seems to fit reasonably well - and the name William may help us find his death but I've had no joy so far.
Electoral roll records under his birth name cease after WWII.

 

[rbartlett]

Checking back in with AFL - they say that Bill Hearn was called 'Bill', but in WW2 was 'William'

 

[GreyCrow]

Eighth Batch of missing DOD



James "Jim" Arthur Greenham (Foots 1937-41, 1943-45) (B: 16/11/1915 Original club Footscray Tech O.B) Believed to have died in 1993 in QLD perhaps

The Queensland death is likely ( location not date) as his wife Patricia Marion http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article11262844 dies in 2012 as listed on Ryerson Index ( yet oddly not on the Gold Coast Bulletin Tribute site) ahh it was a Probate notice not a death notice From Ryerson
GREENHAM Patricia Marion Probate notice 21DEC2012 Publication late of Mudgeeraba Nursing Centre, Mudgeeraba, Queensland

 

[WhiteHartLane23]

Eighth Batch of missing DOD
*Gordon Stanley Green (Nth Melb 1942) (B: 31/5/1925 Original club Bendigo)

Confirmed as still living. I located an email address for his son and received the below reply this morning:

"He is my father, born Mordialloc 31 May 1925.
He played for NMFC in 1942, being the winner of the Colts' Cup that year.
He is well and truly alive, living in Queensland. I shall send him a copy of this email."

 

[rbartlett]

Ninth Batch of missing DOD
(side note; once all batches are up I will do one final post of outstanding DODs and outstanding DOB (which I think are still the same missing 4)

Edward "Ted" Page Heffernan (Carlt 1897) (B: 16/5/1869) Orig club Fitzroy Jnrs. AFL says he debuted age 27
*Bernard "Bernie" Alexander Hogan (Foots 1949) (B: 18/11/1925) Orig club Merbein. AFL says - 'WW2 RAN'
Francis "Frank" Foster Holden (Geelong 1936-1936) (B: 29/3/1913) Orig club Caulfield. AFL says died in 1956. His brother was Jack.
Norman "Norm" McLeod Honey (Foots 1933-34) (B: 26/1/1914) Orig Club Kingsville Amateurs.
Donald "Don" Stewart Howard (Ess 1937, Sth 1938) (B: 4/2/1913) Orig club Northcote
*John "Jack" Alexander Howe (Stk 1944-47) (B: 24/3/1922) Orig club East StKilda. AFL says WW2 Army
Kevin Allan Hunt (Carlton 1954) (B: 3/12/1933) Orig club Pyramid Hill. AFL says may have died in 1985.

 

[35Daicos]

Ninth Batch of missing DOD
(side note; once all batches are up I will do one final post of outstanding DODs and outstanding DOB (which I think are still the same missing 4)

Kevin Allan Hunt (Carlton 1954) (B: 3/12/1933) Orig club Pyramid Hill. AFL says may have died in 1985.

From Blueseum:-

DOB : December 3, 1933
DOD : September 15, 2016

He later lived on the Queensland Sunshine Coast at Pelican Waters and died in Queensland on September 15, 2016 aged 82. He was cremated in Queensland with his ashes interned in the Pyramid Hill cemetery on September 25, 2016.

http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kevin+Hunt

 

[GreyCrow]

Ninth Batch of missing DOD
(side note; once all batches are up I will do one final post of outstanding DODs and outstanding DOB (which I think are still the same missing 4)

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Norman "Norm" McLeod Honey (Foots 1933-34) (B: 26/1/1914) Orig Club Kingsville Amateurs.

Another one for sunny Qld but down to Albury

From Ryerson so Primary sources need to be checked ( Qld BDM only goes to 1986 as do NSW)

HONEY Norman McLeod Funeral notice 22JUN1994 Funeral 80 at Marianella Nursing Home, Albury, formerly of Surfers Paradise, Qld Gold Coast Bulletin 21JUN1994

Ryerson also have a probate note for Bernard Alexander Hogan late of Broulee for June 1 2007. Once again primary sources need to be examined

HOGAN Bernard Alexander Probate notice 01JUN2007 Publication late of Broulee Moruya Examiner 01JUN2007

 

[GreyCrow]

Ninth Batch of missing DOD
(side note; once all batches are up I will do one final post of outstanding DODs and outstanding DOB (which I think are still the same missing 4)


*John "Jack" Alexander Howe (Stk 1944-47) (B: 24/3/1922) Orig club East StKilda. AFL says WW2 Army

Given the notice I think we can check off Jackie Howe June 9 2001

The Army Roll John Alexander Howe states a birth of 1920. Given 1922 Howe would have been eligible for service in 1940 as an 18 yr old I would hesitate to incude him as a service person.

Herald Sun

HOWE. - John Alexander, on June 9, 2001. Happily married for many years to Zoe, dear father of Phillip, Linda and Scott, father-in-law of Vivienne, Spiro and Verena, proud grandfather of Adam, Stephen and Russell and Georgina. The Final Siren

 

[the croucher]

Ninth Batch of missing DOD
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Francis "Frank" Foster Holden (Geelong 1936-1936) (B: 29/3/1913) Orig club Caulfield. AFL says died in 1956. His brother was Jack.
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AFL have got another one wrong....

Frederick Foster Holden
birth reg in 1876
David and Elizabeth (James)
death in 1956 aged 81
David and Elizabeth (James)

Fran Foster Holden
birth reg in 1913
David Kenyon and Fran Sarah (Fitzgerald)

death too late for Vic BDMs
but DOD is [as Francis Forster Holden] 26 Sept 1988 per Melbourne Cemeteries site
http://www.gmct.com.au/deceased-search.aspx

 

[GreyCrow]

Ninth Batch of missing DOD
(side note; once all batches are up I will do one final post of outstanding DODs and outstanding DOB (which I think are still the same missing 4)


Donald "Don" Stewart Howard (Ess 1937, Sth 1938) (B: 4/2/1913) Orig club Northcote

You've given us all Queenslanders

From Qld BDM
1980 6514 Donald Stewart Howard Samuel Joseph Howard Mary Booth

Birth from Vic BDM
Registration year1913
Personal information
Family name HOWARD
Given names Donald Stewart
SexMale
Father's name Sam Jos
Mother's name Mary Elizth (Booth)

Place of birthMELBOURNE SOUTH

 

[rbartlett]

Tenth batch of DOD
*Albert "Bert" Thomas James (Rich 1947) (B: 5/6/1923) Orig club Sandhurst
William "Billy" Morgan Jenkins (Rich 1938) (B; 4/6/1914) Orig club Ballarat Imperials
Charles "Charlie" Herbert Jenkins (Fitz 1898 ) (B: 17/6/1878 ) Orig clubs: West Melbourne , + NSW
Samuel Thomas Murray "Mocha" Johnstone (StKilda 1945) (B: 19/5/1925) Orig Club : Hampton Scouts. Known as Murray Johnstone during playing career;
William "Bill" John Kenny (Sth 1919) B: 30/7/1897 Orig club South Districts. 'Son of Bill.' 'Much more prominent as an athlete' (NB: I don't know if Stephen Rodgers is referring to Bill Snr, or Bill Jnr as the prominent athlete)

 

[the croucher]

Tenth batch of DOD
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William "Billy" Morgan Jenkins (Rich 1938) (B; 4/6/1914) Orig club Ballarat Imperials
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W M Jenkins DOD 9 October 2001 (aged 87)
as per not only Ancestry family tree but also (very handily) a good photo of the info at the grave site !

 

[the croucher]

Tenth batch of DOD<snip>
Samuel Thomas Murray "Mocha" Johnstone (StKilda 1945) (B: 19/5/1925) Orig Club : Hampton Scouts.
Known as Murray Johnstone during playing career;
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STM Johnstone DOD 21 July 2012 in Canberra (aged 87)
as per Ryerson Index which date ref led to an online obit
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/samuel-johnstone-obituary?pid=1000000158714159&view=guestbook

 

[the croucher]

Ninth Batch of missing DOD<snip>

Edward "Ted" Page Heffernan (Carlt 1897) (B: 16/5/1869) Orig club Fitzroy Jnrs. AFL says he debuted age 27<snip>

There is an entry at Vic BDMs for Edward Page Heffernan in 1869 #8881
parents Thomas and Mary (Minogue - search for M*g* to cover spelling variation)
Children listed as being born to those parents are registered in 1853, 1857, 1858, 1861, 1867, 1869, 1871, 1873

There is a death for a Richard Heffernan (aged 34) registered in 1904 #6277
his parents are listed as Thomas and Mary (Minogue)
The list of births noted above does not include any child named Richard.

Some family trees on Ancestry list 16 May 1869 as DOB for Richard, some abt 1870.
None that I have seen list a child named Edward.

I acknowledge there is more to do on this one, but perhaps a year of death has been found.