Opinion Mitch Brown

[Seeds]

Let's call him the Kane Tenace protege then, I've just got a feeling for all the wraps on him it's just not gonna work out...

Tenace was better than Brown.

 

[mcwilrob]

Can Mitch's future at the Cattery be spelt G - A -W - N ?

 

[Aussiemac82]

Potential talent and skills are the two words most associated with Mitch Brown. This week he is coming up against players of his ilk. Most of his potential match ups are all 5-20 game players who have shown something at AFL level but are yet to really impact a game.

GWS talls will be will covered by our key posts leaving Brown to run through the wings and off HB/HF. If he can show good effort around the contest and take his marks overhead he will impact the game.

Bret Thornton and Stephen Gilham are the two most experienced guys that may play against him. They should have their hands full with a rotating group of Taylor, Blitz, Lonergan, Vardy, Hawk and West

Prediction for Mitch
2 Goals
2 Score assist
3 Tackles
15 Disposals
8 Marks

Please Mitch. Just give 100%

Just beat your opponent and do your part for the team. The fruits of your labour will be rewarded.

 

[Partridge]

This game will have no influence on whether or not Brown is a required player at the end of this year,GWS is no yard stick to be making those sort of decisions on.
I thought it was one of the strangest things Scott has done in flagging Mitch as a certainty this week in his post GC match pressor given our tall forward options at present, and a forward is what I see Brown as.
Maybe I'm losing it but these look like wasted games we could be putting into some one with more chance of getting a game come the business end of the year.

Only thing I know for sure is that we have very little clue as to what actually goes on - how happy Scott is with his progress, where they want him to eventually play, any of that.

 

[Partridge]

No better than average, surely
13 touches (3 contested), 7 marks (1 contested), 0 tackles, 0 goals 1 behind

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/M/Mitch_Brown1.html

'Average' might be too kind

I'd love to see the replay again and his actual involvements. We've all agreed he faded after half time, but there was nothing at all wrong with his game before that.

 

[Aussiemac82]

Only thing I know for sure is that we have very little clue as to what actually goes on - how happy Scott is with his progress, where they want him to eventually play, any of that.

He has played Ok across the ground but hasn't really taken ownership of any one spot.

Looking at other teams lists, there appears to be more taller players than ever before. It would be interesting to see where MC would have him pencilled in for our 2015 team.

Do you think he will be on our list at the start of 2014?

 

[_Me_]

This thread shows more intensity than mitch

 

[Pivo]

This thread shows more intensity than mitch

This post is solid gold.

 

[HappyChappy35]

Not an AFL level footballer, been in the system long enough to be a lot better than his current ability suggests.

Clumsy hands
Average foot skills
No bulk
Piss weak efforts in packs

let him go be a good VFL player or a AFL fringe player at some other club.

To be fair, I think Brown tends to be clean with the footy most of the time. He's not the worst user of the ball out there and is a good overhead mark.

However, this comes unstuck in contested situations, whether he doesn't have the frame to compete against opponents and (seemingly) lacks the confidence to back himself. Not very composed under lots of physical pressure, and typically does his best work floating into space or leading up. That doesn't just mean his contested efforts can be ignored though.

 

[Silverado]

To be fair, I think Brown tends to be clean with the footy most of the time. He's not the worst user of the ball out there and is a good overhead mark.

However, this comes unstuck in contested situations, whether he doesn't have the frame to compete against opponents and (seemingly) lacks the confidence to back himself. Not very composed under lots of physical pressure, and typically does his best work floating into space or leading up. That doesn't just mean his contested efforts can be ignored though.

That's probably a pretty fair assessment.
I've seen him drop more than enough sitters though, and lets face it, the game is never going to get less pressured than it currently is.

 

[Partridge]

To be fair, I think Brown tends to be clean with the footy most of the time. He's not the worst user of the ball out there and is a good overhead mark.

However, this comes unstuck in contested situations, whether he doesn't have the frame to compete against opponents and (seemingly) lacks the confidence to back himself. Not very composed under lots of physical pressure, and typically does his best work floating into space or leading up. That doesn't just mean his contested efforts can be ignored though.

There might be something to that. That's the biggest flaw right now. I think he is composed - the handpass he shot out to Johnson (resulting a goal to Geelong) in the Port game was under extreme pressure.

 

[Partridge]

That's probably a pretty fair assessment.
I've seen him drop more than enough sitters though, and lets face it, the game is never going to get less pressured than it currently is.

Very true. But this is what people seemingly don't want to acknowledge - Hawkins was dropping marks 2 years ago. He'd had way more than 8 games and didn't have the injury history either. He does need to improve and do more but he's not the only young player with flaws in his game.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Lets look at another tall forward type who has recently made the grade.

As far as Pods goes, I think he had a certain amount of luck when he started with Geelong and making a position for himself.

We needed a Pods back then!

Hawkins was not working out at that time, and Mooney was carrying the load. Mooney was out for weeks too, and for quite a while Pods was our only focal point up forward. During that time Pods really established himself. Played some great football, and was given the room to do it. There was never any experimentation having him go down back, or to some kind on nowhere-land half-forward flank because all the positions were well taken. He was a mature established VFL player. And Pods didn't have to deal with a Vardy breathing down his neck, or an established Hawkins being a focal point. There wasn't even all that much competition in the VFL ranks in his role like there is today.

Brown contends with all that as he makes his way.

I'm going by memory here, and others watch the team closer than I. But that is how I remember Pods coming into the side. He was a godsend when we were low in such stocks.

Maybe we should cut Brown a break as he develops.

 

[you pick one]

Only thing I know for sure is that we have very little clue as to what actually goes on - how happy Scott is with his progress, where they want him to eventually play, any of that.

All true and I would love for him to succeed as we all do with ever Geelong player but I've simple lost faith.

 

[Turbocat]

To be fair, I think Brown tends to be clean with the footy most of the time. He's not the worst user of the ball out there and is a good overhead mark.

However, this comes unstuck in contested situations, whether he doesn't have the frame to compete against opponents and (seemingly) lacks the confidence to back himself. Not very composed under lots of physical pressure, and typically does his best work floating into space or leading up. That doesn't just mean his contested efforts can be ignored though.

As I see it , at his best playing half forward but lead to wing /half back and marks the ball.
He can play but he lacks something. Call it intensity , call it mongrel , call it willingness to work when it hurts ... im yet to see him play a game that makes me say we have to keep him.

Best guess , he is at Haw next year ( looking for a tall forward with Franklin poss going) and becomes a player for them

 

[HappyChappy35]

As I see it , at his best playing half forward but lead to wing /half back and marks the ball.
He can play but he lacks something. Call it intensity , call it mongrel , call it willingness to work when it hurts ... im yet to see him play a game that makes me say we have to keep him.

I agree, reckon he'd be better either leading out or being placed on a wing/flank somewhere. The composure under pressure, mongrel, and physical presence required to play as a CHB just isn't cut out for him.

That's why he'd be much better as a lead-up HF. Leading is more of his go and probably suits his natural game better, as opposed to getting him to play on a direct opponent in defence where his lack of intensity often leaves him exposed.

 

[you pick one]

As I see it , at his best playing half forward but lead to wing /half back and marks the ball.
He can play but he lacks something. Call it intensity , call it mongrel , call it willingness to work when it hurts ... im yet to see him play a game that makes me say we have to keep him.

Best guess , he is at Haw next year ( looking for a tall forward with Franklin poss going) and becomes a player for them

Ah I can take that thought of Mitch Brown being the Hawks key forward for the next 10 years to bed tonight and sleep like a baby,thank you Turbo.

 

[FredLeDeux]

Ah I can take that thought of Mitch Brown being the Hawks key forward for the next 10 years to bed tonight and sleep like a baby,thank you Turbo.

It would make me sleep like a baby too, waking up every couple of hours and screaming, if I thought we gave them someone good enough to play KPF for them for 10 years.

 

[cancat]

As I see it , at his best playing half forward but lead to wing /half back and marks the ball.
He can play but he lacks something. Call it intensity , call it mongrel , call it willingness to work when it hurts ... im yet to see him play a game that makes me say we have to keep him.

Best guess , he is at Haw next year ( looking for a tall forward with Franklin poss going) and becomes a player for them

Mitch Brown reminds me of Nathan Ablett. Big bodies and have skills - but just give out the impression that they would rather be home playing their X-Box than busting a gut to win a game of footy.

See him as a Melbourne player next year.

 

[AM]

As I see it , at his best playing half forward but lead to wing /half back and marks the ball.
He can play but he lacks something. Call it intensity , call it mongrel , call it willingness to work when it hurts ... im yet to see him play a game that makes me say we have to keep him.

Best guess , he is at Haw next year ( looking for a tall forward with Franklin poss going) and becomes a player for them

Could be a lot worse for him should things not work out with us.

Has his confidence built by a regular gig as a leading forward with Hodge, Cyril, Mitchell, Lewis....... delivering the ball lace out. Reckon he'd take that.

 

[HoopsAhoy]

Mitch Brown reminds me of Nathan Ablett. Big bodies and have skills - but just give out the impression that they would rather be home playing their X-Box than busting a gut to win a game of footy.

See him as a Melbourne player next year.

Nailed it. Nathan was lucky to even be in the 2007 side and to collect a Premiership medallion. Some irregular flashes of talent but overall a passenger riding on the family name.

 

[AM]

He has played Ok across the ground but hasn't really taken ownership of any one spot.

Looking at other teams lists, there appears to be more taller players than ever before. It would be interesting to see where MC would have him pencilled in for our 2015 team.

Do you think he will be on our list at the start of 2014?

I see a lot of Hawks earlier traits in Mitch.

On Saturday I thought he looked hesitant. Waiting for things to happen rather than making them happen. Which gave the appearance of lack of effort.

When he fires at the lower level he’s assertive, demands the ball and attacks it with confidence. Confidence being the key thing.

Suggesting a player be selfish isn’t a good thing but I would like to see Mitch make that a priority this week. I hope he throws caution to the wind takes risks and asserts himself at every contest no matter which player (opposition or Geelong) is in his path.

BTW. I’m not making any comparison with Hawk other than he too played without confidence for a long time.

 

[smelly cat]

It must be crushing for a young footballer's confidence to feel this pressure to perform under these unrealistic expectations. He's a bean pole and still has a lot of filling out to do.
Lonergan took years to develop, as did Hawkins. Both of them had their skills and heart questioned at different times early in their careers. I think we conveniently forget that. Now they form the backbone of our side. All this business of "losing faith" is absurd. A lot of you need to watch more footy.
The kid wears the hoops and deserves our support. If he doesn't make it, he doesn't make it. Until then we should get behind him. I reckon he's got a massive upside and just needs confidence and time invested in him. Good luck to the kid, he has my support as do all the Geelong boys.

 

[Vdubs]

It must be crushing for a young footballer's confidence to feel this pressure to perform under these unrealistic expectations. He's a bean pole and still has a lot of filling out to do.
Lonergan took years to develop, as did Hawkins. Both of them had their skills and heart questioned at different times early in their careers. I think we conveniently forget that. Now they form the backbone of our side. All this business of "losing faith" is absurd. A lot of you need to watch more footy.
The kid wears the hoops and deserves our support. If he doesn't make it, he doesn't make it. Until then we should get behind him. I reckon he's got a massive upside and just needs confidence and time invested in him. Good luck to the kid, he has my support as do all the Geelong boys.

Unfortunately this week he may come up against Cameron, if Lonergan get Giles. Giles is a pseudo-ruck. Cameron is seriously talented, and would have troubled Harry; he certainly troubled Carlisle a few weeks back, or whoever played in defence that day, Carlisle may have missed??
Anyway, I rate Brown's ability, and think he is dealt with harshly here by many, but this week being named as CHB V Cameron is going to be his toughest assignment so far in his history at Geelong. If he fails, which is possible, it seems bizarre to me that he's been a HFF past 2 weeks, and this week he's up against an up and coming tall kf likely to be the next big thing. Mooney and Dermott have orgasms talking about Jeremy Cameron. Is this a fair thing for Brown?
Are we taking their forwards too lightly? Their defence is really sus, but their potency up forward is reasonable if they can get the ball up there.
Ideally, I'd like to see Brown be a tall winger, allow him to be creative and use his skills; we ALL seem to know he does not have the physical attributes to be a monster KB, which is effectively what he'll have to be this week v Cameron. I'm not psychic, but I can sense the knives are out already before he was even selected, as far as this board goes. I rest my defence.

Let's hope he actually proves ALL OF US, ALL OF US wrong, and plays the game of his career.

 

[David the Cat]

Could be a lot worse for him should things not work out with us.

Has his confidence built by a regular gig as a leading forward with Hodge, Cyril, Mitchell, Lewis....... delivering the ball lace out. Reckon he'd take that.

Well he doesnt seem to get much of it when Selwood, Kelly, Duncan and Bartel are delivering it lace out. Mitch is playing for sales value this week....I hope he kills it.

Look at what he's up against at Geelong...HAwk, Pods, Vardy Motlop, Smedts, and Kersten up forward....Taylor, Lonergan, Rivers, Mackie, Enright, Guthrie, Varcoe, Thurlow etc down back....

Blitz has taken the Richo role....I cant find a place for Brown before 2015. He's a depth player here....at best.