Recommitted Mitch Georgiades - Signs on for another 4 years

[Cleric]

I think you’re over estimating how strong other teams forward depth is.

We lose Georgiades and Dixon no doubt would go around again, leaving us with no worse key forward bunch than like over a dozen other clubs.

We would have dixon , Marshall, finlayson, Scully and lord and that’s even before we get into the possibility of teakle / visentini developing that way.

If you think that say, 66% of the league has a deeper set of kfs feel free to name the 10 clubs and their kfs ..

also, rozee has been a midfielder for over a year now? I’m unsure why you’re referring to him not playing forward.


None of this means we don’t need kfs, my mantra is that there’s no team in the league that has too many kfs, and they’re so hard to draft and develop and important to the game I would always be drafting them, but in no means are we in any kind of strife with our kf stocks.

This is Lords third season and he is yet to make a debut. He hasn't done much at SANFL level either to be honest. There is no guarantee he ever makes it.
Scully is only 18 and was taken 53 in the draft. That's not highly rated at all. So far neither of Lord or Scully have done anything to be considered strong KPF players.
Every team has a couple of 197cm plus young forwards on their list who were speculation picks. The majority won't make it. Those two are in that group.
Finlayson isn't a dominant key forward either. He is a average to good player. He isn't going to win a game off his own boot, not tear a game apart. Never will he be an AA or B&F.
As we said, Dixon is on the way out, and Marshall still hasn't cemented himself as a monster KPF either at this point.
So as it stands, outside Dixon you only have Finlayson and Marshall as proven Key Forwads, and at this point, neither are AA standard players.

The point about Rozee is that he was a good forward and could continue to be a dangerous one, but his future is in the midfield.

 

[philthy05]

This is Lords third season and he is yet to make a debut. He hasn't done much at SANFL level either to be honest. There is no guarantee he ever makes it.
Scully is only 18 and was taken 53 in the draft. That's not highly rated at all. So far neither of Lord or Scully have done anything to be considered strong KPF players.
Every team has a couple of 197cm plus young forwards on their list who were speculation picks. The majority won't make it. Those two are in that group.
Finlayson isn't a dominant key forward either. He is a average to good player. He isn't going to win a game off his own boot, not tear a game apart. Never will he be an AA or B&F.
As we said, Dixon is on the way out, and Marshall still hasn't cemented himself as a monster KPF either at this point.
So as it stands, outside Dixon you only have Finlayson and Marshall as proven Key Forwads, and at this point, neither are AA standard players.

The point about Rozee is that he was a good forward and could continue to be a dangerous one, but his future is in the midfield.

Lord is like 5th or 6th in line as a kf, every bloke that deep is going to be questionable.


Teams do not have guys like Marshall’s quality 5th in their depth chart.

You keep saying we’re poor in kf depth

I asked you to name 10 teams with a deeper set of kfs than what we’ve got.

Go ahead.

 

[Cleric]

Lord is like 5th or 6th in line as a kf, every bloke that deep is going to be questionable.


Teams do not have guys like Marshall’s quality 5th in their depth chart.

You keep saying we’re poor in kf depth

I asked you to name 10 teams with a deeper set of kfs than what we’ve got.

Go ahead.

When Dixon goes you will have Marshall, Georgiades and Finlayson with any game experience as KPF.

Crows have Thillthorpe, Himmelberg, Fogarty and Gollant. Not counting Tex as he may be gone at the end of the year. I'm taking them over Ports.

Bulldogs have Naughton, JUH and Lobb. That's a better group than Ports.

Gold Coast have Luko and King who alone are better than the 3 that Port have.

Carlton have McKay, Curnow, Jack S. Better than Ports.

My point stands that Port need to try and keep Georgiades because with Dixon at the end that will leave Marshall and Finlayson as the only two experienced key forwards.

 

[philthy05]

When Dixon goes you will have Marshall, Georgiades and Finlayson with any game experience as KPF.

Crows have Thillthorpe, Himmelberg, Fogarty and Gollant. Not counting Tex as he may be gone at the end of the year. I'm taking them over Ports.

Bulldogs have Naughton, JUH and Lobb. That's a better group than Ports.

Gold Coast have Luko and King who alone are better than the 3 that Port have.

Carlton have McKay, Curnow, Jack S. Better than Ports.

My point stands that Port need to try and keep Georgiades because with Dixon at the end that will leave Marshall and Finlayson as the only two experienced key forwards.

1. You’ve only named 5 teams, so only approx 30% of the league, and one of those teams you’re arguing as better you’re using himmelberg and gallant.

2. You’re now arguing total quality, when we were discussing depth.

3. We need to keep Georgiades because kfs are hard to draft and develop, and because kfs are important, not because our kf stocks are supposedly stuffed

4. Dixon will almost certainly be around another year, especially if Mitch leaves, so your ‘if Dixon and Mitch leave you’re only left with Todd and Finlayson’ scenario is a 2025 problem

A lot of teams kf stocks will look different in 2025.

 

[Cleric]

1. You’ve only named 5 teams, so only approx 30% of the league, and one of those teams you’re arguing as better you’re using himmelberg and gallant.

2. You’re now arguing total quality, when we were discussing depth.

3. We need to keep Georgiades because kfs are hard to draft and develop, and because kfs are important, not because our kf stocks are supposedly stuffed

4. Dixon will almost certainly be around another year, especially if Mitch leaves, so your ‘if Dixon and Mitch leave you’re only left with Todd and Finlayson’ scenario is a 2025 problem

A lot of teams kf stocks will look different in 2025.

I'm not talking about depth because just having two or three guys drafted in the end phases of the draft, who have never played a game, doesn't give any indication that they can play.
At that point you might as well be saying "Port has more kids in their list who are over 193cms tall and are listed as forwards on the club website".

 

[philthy05]

I'm not talking about depth because just having two or three guys drafted in the end phases of the draft, who have never played a game, doesn't give any indication that they can play.
At that point you might as well be saying "Port has more kids in their list who are over 193cms tall and are listed as forwards on the club website".

And our set of kfs is no worse than many many afl clubs.

What kind of player do you think is 4th 5th or 6th in line at most clubs?

Do they have finlayson Scully lord types or do they have stars?

 

[Evo47]

Thats silly - 100% Port supporters will turn up next year no matter what happens with Ken.

Who knows, let’s hope they kept the tarps

 

[Cleric]

And our set of kfs is no worse than many many afl clubs.

What kind of player do you think is 4th 5th or 6th in line at most clubs?

Do they have finlayson Scully lord types or do they have stars?

If all you are judging depth by is having a certain number of unproven tall kids in your side then sure, you have depth. If you are talking about proven forwards who can get a game and are guaranteed to be on an AFL list in three years time then no.

 

[philthy05]

If all you are judging depth by is having a certain number of unproven tall kids in your side then sure, you have depth. If you are talking about proven forwards who can get a game and are guaranteed to be on an AFL list in three years time then no.

What afl side has experienced proven kfs 5th or 6th in their depth chart?

 

[Cleric]

What afl side has experienced proven kfs 5th or 6th in their depth chart?

None that I know of. If a side had that many KPFs that couldn't all get a game they would be picked up by another club who could give then an opportunity.
It was you saying that Port had one of the most KPF depth in the AFL if Dixon and Georgiades both left
My comment was that I think they should try and keep him because if Dixon retires then they don't have alot of KPF depth. If you lose both Dixon and Georgiades, neither Lord nor Scully are ready to step in next year.

 

[philthy05]

It was you saying that Port had one of the most KPF depth in the AFL if Dixon and Georgiades both left

ive literally said nothing of the sort.


I have asked you to name the teams deeper than us and you named 5.

My comment was that I think they should try and keep him because if Dixon retires then they don't have alot of KPF depth. If you lose both Dixon and Georgiades, neither Lord nor Scully are ready to step in next year.

were not going to lose both Dixon and Mitch though.


as ive said all along, we've got Marshall, Dixon, finlayson, georgiades lord and Scully.

were no worse off losing Mitch than any other team losing a kf.

 

[bird_man]

ive literally said nothing of the sort.


I have asked you to name the teams deeper than us and you named 5.






were not going to lose both Dixon and Mitch though.


as ive said all along, we've got Marshall, Dixon, finlayson, georgiades lord and Scully.

were no worse off losing Mitch than any other team losing a kf.

How old is Dixon now?

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Guaranteed the (hypothetical trade request) roles are reversed (he was at wc asking for a trade to port) and wc fans would be asking for butters / rozee for him.

And you would be offering Bonner

 

[philthy05]

And you would be offering Bonner

Port has a history of being fair in trades, and if anything overpaying. Our team has openly admitted they want to be seen as a destination club and a club that can get deals done, and whether you agree with that philosophy or not, they’ve clearly followed through on it.

 

[Revan11]

I'd love to have Georgiadis at the dees. For the right cost. Having Georgiades/Matthew Jefferson/Van Rooyen would be an exciting forward line for the future.

Could be Georgie and a F1 for Pickett?

 

[danster168]

Could be Georgie and a F1 for Pickett?

Yeah quite possibly if Georgie can come back and play consistent good footy in the seniors. Because he's losing currency as each week passes.

 

[Ah12]

His main problem is the yips. Was getting enough opportunities. Talented KPF’s can be prone to being dropped finding their feet at the level. Thilthorpe springs to mind who is flourishing now.

 

[ABAB]

His main problem is the yips. Was getting enough opportunities. Talented KPF’s can be prone to being dropped finding their feet at the level. Thilthorpe springs to mind who is flourishing now.

So essentially like Butcher who started as well as Georgiadis and then struggled with his kicking for goal and was eventually delisted.

 

[philthy05]

Butcher was wrecked by injuries

 

[Ah12]

So essentially like Butcher who started as well as Georgiadis and then struggled with his kicking for goal and was eventually delisted.

From my understanding Butcher was an injury related thing where he couldnt fully straighten his leg and it destroyed his technique. Georgiades is not injury related.

 

[Obeanie1]

1. You’ve only named 5 teams, so only approx 30% of the league, and one of those teams you’re arguing as better you’re using himmelberg and gallant.

2. You’re now arguing total quality, when we were discussing depth.

3. We need to keep Georgiades because kfs are hard to draft and develop, and because kfs are important, not because our kf stocks are supposedly stuffed

4. Dixon will almost certainly be around another year, especially if Mitch leaves, so your ‘if Dixon and Mitch leave you’re only left with Todd and Finlayson’ scenario is a 2025 problem

A lot of teams kf stocks will look different in 2025.

You push your head any further into the sand we wont see your feet soon.

Depth means nothing without quality.

Port will be chasing an established kp forward big time if Georgiades leaves. Likely will even if he doesnt.

Himmelburg from GWS should be a Ports #1 target. Plus Ratagolea cheap.

 

[philthy05]

You push your head any further into the sand we wont see your feet soon.

Depth means nothing without quality.

Port will be chasing an established kp forward big time if Georgiades leaves. Likely will even if he doesnt.

Himmelburg from GWS should be a Ports #1 target. Plus Ratagolea cheap.

All teams should be chasing kfs all the time. They’re too important. But how is port stuffed for quality of kfs? A one eyed crows fan came up with 5 teams apparently more stocked with kfs than port, like only a Qtr of the afls sides.

 

[Obeanie1]

All teams should be chasing kfs all the time. They’re too important. But how is port stuffed for quality of kfs? A one eyed crows fan came up with 5 teams apparently more stocked with kfs than port, like only a Qtr of the afls sides.

The point was naming 3 or 4 unproven kids isn't quality depth. It's all potential.

Dixon looks like he's hobbled and on his last legs. Georgiades has been dropped which leaves who?

Marshall and Finlayson.

Neither big names with credits in the bank.

 

[Adz2332]

The point was naming 3 or 4 unproven kids isn't quality depth. It's all potential.

Dixon looks like he's hobbled and on his last legs. Georgiades has been dropped which leaves who?

Marshall and Finlayson.

Neither big names with credits in the bank.

No doubt i 100% dont want to loose MG but we have bigger issues then the KPF at the moment.

The only way i would consider it a win if MG or Bergman left is if it got us a mid 20s or younger KPB.

If you think our tall forwards cover looks thin you would hate to look at our back talls

 

[Obeanie1]

No doubt i 100% dont want to loose MG but we have bigger issues then the KPF at the moment.

The only way i would consider it a win if MG or Bergman left is if it got us a mid 20s or younger KPB.

If you think our tall forwards cover looks thin you would hate to look at our back talls

Agreed. Port desperately needs a big, tall defender. That's why Ratagolea will be heading your way as a big CHB this trade period. He won't cost much either. That frees up Alir to be that intercept 3rd tall.

Port should be chasing Ratagolea and Himmelburg. The 1st will cost a 3rd rounder and Himmelburg a FA.

They go along way to solving two list areas of weakness.