Mitch McGovern 2: As The Worm Turns (read the OP)

[Donkey Magoo]

Those "club first" guys are all paid. Some of them have had drawn out contract negotiations with rumblings of leaving.

So if you're gov and you can do some things that the top paid kpps on the team can't, while the "club first" leaders example is to haggle for multi million dollar sunset deals, wouldn't you want to chase that too?

That's my theory.

I believe money is a part of the equation, they only get one shot at a career, earning $200k less a year for 5 years is a mill. I'm not trying to tie this all into a neat little bow and make a villain here. I would have kept Mitch every day of the week, just posing a theory of the internals.

 

[70lethal]

Ok sure, but what’s he actually done since to make the argument?

9 minute mark. He was a really talent player playing senior footy for Claremont and lost his way.
https://omny.fm/shows/trade-radio/the-trade-feed-day-8

Goes onto say Hamish wanted to draft Tim English. We got Gallucci instead.

 

[Samcro24]

I believe money is a part of the equation, they only get one shot at a career, earning $200k less a year for 5 years is a mill. I'm not trying to tie this all into a neat little bow and make a villain here. I would have kept Mitch every day of the week, just posing a theory of the internals.

I don't think there's a villain either, it's just how it is. Our top paid guys are locked in. Theyve looked after their interests first- that's fine. They've all had injury concerns, at times well played well below their abilities. You could make a case for any of their careers falling off a cliff soon from here.

Yet they will be our top paid players for a while longer. Makes it hard to sign the next generation up, in a market where there will always be a handful of shit clubs throwing coin around.

 

[MRB37]

Noticed SOS said Gov had told them he wants to be a forward, I wonder if that's part of why he wanted out too since we started trying him out as a backman.

Isn't that the reason Howe left Melbourne originally? Though that quickly changed for him at the Pies too.

 

[Mego Red]

Way to go assuming. Which isn't a surprise. Look at the post I was replying to and the context of that discussion 30 pages back.

"Nope, in this day and age, it seems it absolutely is a choice. I work with someone who has made this decision."

I took that as meaning you felt gender was a choice, like a lot of simple-minded folk think sexuality is.

If I misunderstood you, then my bad.

But no one would choose to be transgender, considering the incredible difficulties and pain they'd face.

 

[Mego Red]

We made him likely one of the highest paid young players we've ever had on our list because we wanted him gone?

We clearly wanted him gone now.

 

[kiwicrow]

I’m worried the wheel will turn at some point

Cripps Setterfield Fisher Dow SPS is a good mix

Weitering Marchbank Plowman

Curnow McKay Gov forward

It’s on its way to improving but still need more

Brendon Bolton, think we’re safe...

 

[King Elvis]

McAdam better be good - doesn’t seem like the right call for us at this point in time.

As I said earlier though - nice of the AFL to invent a new way to **** us over by giving Carlton access to him.

 

[Sanders]

9 minute mark. He was a really talent player playing senior footy for Claremont and lost his way.
https://omny.fm/shows/trade-radio/the-trade-feed-day-8

Goes onto say Hamish wanted to draft Tim English. We got Gallucci instead.

Is this in response to something else?

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Noticed SOS said Gov had told them he wants to be a forward, I wonder if that's part of why he wanted out too since we started trying him out as a backman.

Isn't that the reason Howe left Melbourne originally? Though that quickly changed for him at the Pies too.

Also it could be how he wants to play as a forward

Gov may want to be more of a stay at home forward while AFC are been for him to use his speed to push up the ground and lose his opponent on the way back

On [device_name] using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Alwaysacrow]

With Gov leaving with 2 years still go on his contract, Im just wandering what is the benefit of signing players on multi year deals?

If they want to go, they go. If they want to stay, they stay.

I think the AFLPA has f**ked the AFL with the freedom it has given to players.

The benefit will be if they want to leave while contracted the receiving club is forced to pay overs. Other than that contracts mean nothing.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

McAdam better be good - doesn’t seem like the right call for us at this point in time.

As I said earlier though - nice of the AFL to invent a new way to **** us over by giving Carlton access to him.

We picked McAdam up basically as a Free Agent, in that McAdam had a choice of club ......you do realise, if he had gone into the open Draft, every chance he wouldn't have got to us .....so in fact the AFL helped us this time

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

McGovern didn't have a good relationship with Pyke which is in part why he left? But he signed for 3 years just over 12 months ago. Clearly it wasn't a meaningful issue then.

Did his relationship with Pyke turn sour? Over what?

 

[CutAboveTheRest]

McAdam better be good - doesn’t seem like the right call for us at this point in time.

As I said earlier though - nice of the AFL to invent a new way to **** us over by giving Carlton access to him.

Yet to be decided if it's us getting ****ed, or if we're doing the ****ing. Could be another steal, or could be a complete bust. TWT!

 

[AFC979810]

McGovern didn't have a good relationship with Pyke which is in part why he left? But he signed for 3 years just over 12 months ago. Clearly it wasn't a meaningful issue then.

Did his relationship with Pyke turn sour? Over what?

Not sure why we still worry about individual reasons for our big name players that continue to leave.

Its the club. There is something toxic from the top down.

Bock, Tippett, Davis, Gunston, Dangerfield, Lever, Cameron, McGovern. Sure you can try and find reasons for why each one left - Money, Homesickness, Hatred, Soft, Don't like the coach - yadda yadda.

Sounds too much like the quote: "If you run into an arseh*le in the morning, you ran into an arseh*le. If you run into assholes all day, you're the arseh*le."

 

[boffo]

Not sure why we still worry about individual reasons for our big name players that continue to leave.

Its the club. There is something toxic from the top down.

Bock, Tippett, Davis, Gunston, Dangerfield, Lever, Cameron, McGovern. Sure you can try and find reasons for why each one left - Money, Homesickness, Hatred, Soft, Don't like the coach - yadda yadda.

Sounds too much like the quote: "If you run into an arseh*le in the morning, you ran into an arseh*le. If you run into assholes all day, you're the arseh*le."

Only three of them seemed to leave because they were p1ssed off: Tippett, Guston and McGovern.

Tippett = entitled priveleged confused straight-out mercenary

Gunston = entitled, privileged sook

McGovern = don't totally understand this one but he seems to think he was tricked/manipulated into signing a new contract. FFS, he was an adult at the time, and had an agent. Seems a very sensitive lad, $600,000 (allegededly) not enough to sooth his hurt feelings. Carlton''s bigger paycheque apparently will do the trick.

You might think Lever was pissed off but that was after Tex said what he thinks, after Lever opted out. Lever just accepted a godfather offer like Bock and Davis (and Tippett).

That's my reading of it anyway.

 

[FR0GGY]

With Gov leaving with 2 years still go on his contract, Im just wandering what is the benefit of signing players on multi year deals?

If they want to go, they go. If they want to stay, they stay.

I think the AFLPA has f**ked the AFL with the freedom it has given to players.

But then look at pittard signed a 3 year deal and port ship him out after 1 year.

 

[baldandbroke]

Not sure why we still worry about individual reasons for our big name players that continue to leave.

Its the club. There is something toxic from the top down.

Bock, Tippett, Davis, Gunston, Dangerfield, Lever, Cameron, McGovern. Sure you can try and find reasons for why each one left - Money, Homesickness, Hatred, Soft, Don't like the coach - yadda yadda.

Sounds too much like the quote: "If you run into an arseh*le in the morning, you ran into an arseh*le. If you run into assholes all day, you're the arseh*le."

Bock - $
Tippett - $
Davis - $
Gunston - wanted to play for Hawks and win premierships
Dangerfield - actually going home
Lever - $
Cameron - $
McGovern - $

The biggest problem the club has is it won't pay the big bucks. We have a more socialist system that means we can't just whack down a brown paper bag every time someone shows promise and another club wants to out-bid us.

BTW, there is a third option for your "arseholes" quote. They are all arseholes, and you are an arseh*le.

 

[Betts are off]

Not sure why we still worry about individual reasons for our big name players that continue to leave.

Its the club. There is something toxic from the top down.

Bock, Tippett, Davis, Gunston, Dangerfield, Lever, Cameron, McGovern. Sure you can try and find reasons for why each one left - Money, Homesickness, Hatred, Soft, Don't like the coach - yadda yadda.

Sounds too much like the quote: "If you run into an arseh*le in the morning, you ran into an arseh*le. If you run into assholes all day, you're the arseh*le."

You find individual reasons because they are all there. Brushing over them doesn’t make them any less relevant.

Bottom line is if there’s something toxic with us then there’s something toxic with every single club in the modern free agency and trade era!

 

[spenze]

McGovern didn't have a good relationship with Pyke which is in part why he left? But he signed for 3 years just over 12 months ago. Clearly it wasn't a meaningful issue then.

Did his relationship with Pyke turn sour? Over what?

Not sure if this has already been posted but there was a story going around about when the boys up on the gold coast, Pykey decided to treat the boys on day 3 by getting 5 buckets of KFC chicken pieces. Boys were all stoked about the chicken but Pykey said they had to do three laps of the oval before they could chow down. Boys did the laps not noticing that Mitch was missing, by the time they opened the lids on those buckets of delicious chicken pieces, they saw that Mitch had eaten all the skin off the chicken pieces.

Most of the players were upset, there was a rumour that Sloane broke into tears and it was the reason he took so long to re sign with us this year. To say Pyke was furious is an understatement. Took him nearly two hours to find Mitch, who was sitting on the bog, reading comics and to make matters worse, clogged the toilet with his massive KFC dump. Club had to pay to get toilet unclogged and it was the last time Pykey got KFC for the boys until round 18...and you saw how the boys played those last few games...Mitch ruined our whole season more than Collective Minds did

 

[jbanger]

thread needs more Horseflee

 

[SuperBashBros]

thread needs more Horseflee

Watch this space

On [device_name] using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Carmo]

Not sure why we still worry about individual reasons for our big name players that continue to leave.

Its the club. There is something toxic from the top down.

Bock, Tippett, Davis, Gunston, Dangerfield, Lever, Cameron, McGovern. Sure you can try and find reasons for why each one left - Money, Homesickness, Hatred, Soft, Don't like the coach - yadda yadda.

Sounds too much like the quote: "If you run into an arseh*le in the morning, you ran into an arseh*le. If you run into assholes all day, you're the arseh*le."

Hawthorn must be toxic too, lost best player in the comp in franklin, Brad Hill wanted out after only a few years, heaps of their assistant coaches have left, Cyril hated them enough to retire mid season!!

Amidoinitrite?

Sydney are totally toxic, Jetta bailed on them, Tippett retired early, Hannebery wants out, Rohan, they lost Tom Mitchell....

IreckonIgotit

Collingwood -Beams, Langdon this year wants out and they nearly won, Fasolo jumped....

Westcoast - Lycett has bailed, must be toxic, Sam Mitchell left halfway through contract, defs toxic, i heard Natanui deliberately tried to injure his good knee just so he didn't have to be around the group its that bad, they coerced Jetta to drink and didn't discourage him from driving. Toxic-est club of all. Almost lost Gaff to lolnorf..

 

[footy4ever]

Have you been riding in Doc and Marty's DeLorean?

Now that’s spooky. I haven’t had a thought about those movies for eons, but yesterday watched the three of them (for reasons beyond my control) and suddenly Doc, Marty and the DeLorean are mentioned...cue the Xfiles music.

 

[CrowCro]

McGovern didn't have a good relationship with Pyke which is in part why he left? But he signed for 3 years just over 12 months ago. Clearly it wasn't a meaningful issue then.

Did his relationship with Pyke turn sour? Over what?

Pyke to me is like a soul less corporate manager. A dull speaker who could not motivate me at his best.