Mitch McGovern (please read OP)

[Samcro24]

That's what you're suggesting by saying, have an elite top end and fill up the remaining 8 spots ......isn't that Geelongs problem currently, too good a top end, but poor depth

Except I didn't say that at all. You can't rely on a handful, you need a good 22. There's no point in batting to 30 if you don't have enough top end talent though.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Except I didn't say that at all. You can't rely on a handful, you need a good 22. There's no point in batting to 30 if you don't have enough top end talent though.

And what happens when you have 8+ on your injury list ......you're stuffed, so you need at least a solid 26 -28 players

 

[FR0GGY]

And what happens when you have 8+ on your injury list ......you're stuffed, so you need at least a solid 26 -28 players

But you don't have to pay them all decently.

 

[Cap]

That's what you're suggesting by saying, have an elite top end and fill up the remaining 8 spots ......isn't that Geelongs problem currently, too good a top end, but poor depth

Richmond are pretty much the same as Geelong though.

I mean take Martin out of that team and its probably struggling for top 4.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

But you don't have to pay them all decently.

No, you can't ....that's why you need "fillers" who are not juniors, but experience enough to fill a roll short term to cover injuries ......Cheney, Otten, Mackay, Gibson, CEY ....supporters criticize them, but fail to understand that they provide experience, without the big $$$

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Richmond are pretty much the same as Geelong though.

I mean take Martin out of that team and its probably struggling for top 4.

Yes, this is correct ......just filled the team with quick players who tackle and harrass .....and not carrying big contracts

 

[Samcro24]

And what happens when you have 8+ on your injury list ......you're stuffed, so you need at least a solid 26 -28 players

Hmmm... last time I checked.... 26 was less.... than 30.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Hmmm... last time I checked.... 26 was less.... than 30.

I believe this maybe correct

 

[Samcro24]

No, you can't ....that's why you need "fillers" who are not juniors, but experience enough to fill a roll short term to cover injuries ......Cheney, Otten, Mackay, Gibson, CEY ....supporters criticize them, but fail to understand that they provide experience, without the big $$$

Cheney is a good player. Otten is too slow. Mackay isnt depth he gets picked every week. Gibson wasn't worth the spot in the end. CEY, depends on the salary. Throw in Hampton & Menzel last year. It's ok if they're on chump change, but the suspicion is that they're not. Thats too many average players on decent coin. Cut that list in half, sign another star.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Cheney is a good player. Otten is too slow. Mackay isnt depth he gets picked every week. Gibson wasn't worth the spot in the end. CEY, depends on the salary. Throw in Hampton & Menzel last year. It's ok if they're on chump change, but the suspicion is that they're not. Thats too many average players on decent coin. Cut that list in half, sign another star.

I'd be surprised if that were the case .....it seems, they're all desperate for AFL Contracts moreso than the $$$

 

[mattymac]

Seems a lot of clubs with salary cap room (Richmond, port, kangas, Saints, Essendon, Freo, Brisbane, West Coast, Collingwood , Carlton) we don’t seem to be one.
The problem with our model of paying players reasonably evenly is that the lower players getting overs are never going to want to leave, it’s the better players on unders that will want to go.

I've been banging on about this recently, but the only way an equal pay structure like ours can work is if its coupled with a ruthless list turnover strategy like Geelong and Hawthorn have.

We hold onto Van Berlo, Thommo, Otten, Jacobs, Dmac, Douglas etc until they can't walk.

Geelong and Hawthorn don't flinch about moving on much higher quality players like Hodge, Mitchell, Chapman, Stevie J, Podsiadly while they can still play on elsewhere.

We're trying to copy their recipe but we only have 1 of the 2 required ingredients

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Cheney is a good player. Otten is too slow. Mackay isnt depth he gets picked every week. Gibson wasn't worth the spot in the end. CEY, depends on the salary. Throw in Hampton & Menzel last year. It's ok if they're on chump change, but the suspicion is that they're not. Thats too many average players on decent coin. Cut that list in half, sign another star.

He has been picked every week however one gear contracts at AFL usually translates to depth player

Otten, Cheney and CEY all played roles in 2018 however their selection was largely based on player availability


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[moogerfooger]

I've been banging on about this recently, but the only way an equal pay structure like ours can work is if its coupled with a ruthless list turnover strategy like Geelong and Hawthorn have.

We hold onto Van Berlo, Thommo, Otten, Jacobs, Dmac, Douglas etc until they can't walk.

Geelong and Hawthorn don't flinch about moving on much higher quality players like Hodge, Mitchell, Chapman, Stevie J, Podsiadly while they can still play on elsewhere.

We're trying to copy their recipe but we only have 1 of the 2 required ingredients

There is a lack of ruthlessness at the club, period. In list management terms, its one of the reasons we keep losing quality young players. You hold onto players too long, there's no space (in the side or in the salary cap) for the next gen to come through. They get fed up and leave.

I remember when the club sacked Sanderson and Chapman came out and said "we don't accept mediocrity", when in truth the opposite could be the club's motto. Blight was ruthless, Walsh was ruthless. That's where it starts and ends - the rest is one big bucket of mediocrity.

 

[Horseflee]

Sydney's Lloyd is being chased by Gold Coast and Hannerbery is off to the saints... Sydney will have trade currency if they actually want mcgovern. I wouldn't rule them out.

They also want a Collingwood player

But it is time to try and really unpack the WHY he is leaving

A great starting point is all in the coaches game plan. What role did McGovern really play?

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[Mego Red]

They also want a Collingwood player

But it is time to try and really unpack the WHY he is leaving

A great starting point is all in the coaches game plan. What role did McGovern really play?

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The intention is that he is a pressure marking forward.

Late this year, he stopped getting involved in the forward line, so we moved him back.

 

[Smoooothy]

I've been banging on about this recently, but the only way an equal pay structure like ours can work is if its coupled with a ruthless list turnover strategy like Geelong and Hawthorn have.

We hold onto Van Berlo, Thommo, Otten, Jacobs, Dmac, Douglas etc until they can't walk.

Geelong and Hawthorn don't flinch about moving on much higher quality players like Hodge, Mitchell, Chapman, Stevie J, Podsiadly while they can still play on elsewhere.

We're trying to copy their recipe but we only have 1 of the 2 required ingredients

even in the neil craig era, we were happy to move people on

Ben Hart got cut even though he was still playing good football, Jason Torney was the same

 

[Horseflee]

The intention is that he is a pressure marking forward.

Late this year, he stopped getting involved in the forward line, so we moved him back.

I believe our game plan is upsetting him nothing more.

Anyhow noise is, we are demanding 2 first round picks & not at the bottom end.
Our administration will be strong & stubborn.

Of course there is alot of player's due to move so id expect an unexpected offer to come. We will need to all wait it out



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[Rave Slave]

I believe our game plan is upsetting him nothing more.

Anyhow noise is, we are demanding 2 first round picks & not at the bottom end.
Our administration will be strong & stubborn.

Of course there is alot of player's due to move so id expect an unexpected offer to come. We will need to all wait it out



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The “noise”

You mean the voices in your head?

 

[Deaneus!]

The “noise”

You mean the voices in your head?

RS!

Works for me. Those voices in my head, i love those guys.

 

[Pugsley]

I believe our game plan is upsetting him nothing more.

Anyhow noise is, we are demanding 2 first round picks & not at the bottom end.
Our administration will be strong & stubborn.

Of course there is alot of player's due to move so id expect an unexpected offer to come. We will need to all wait it out



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You can see someone about that noise. It's when there is more than one that you're in big trouble.

 

[Pugsley]

RS!

Works for me. Those voices in my head, i love those guys.

They come up with bloody great ideas.

 

[Crouch#44]

I have been through most the club's lists on who would need McGovern the most and isnt a spud side like carlton.

One club that is losing a high valued player and can rebound in form is the western bulldogs. Gov would be a great fit into their gamestyle and i am curious if they could be a chance to take on and pay over's for gov as they did Tom Boyd

Thoughts? Nothing else to talk about

 

[Pugsley]

Gov for Freos first pick. Thanks Carltank.

 

[glengowan]

If causing turnovers via pressure in the forward half is the most critical component of today’s game (as Nick Riewoldt said last night on AFL 360), then losing Cameron one year and McGovern the next is not helping our cause. On balance in our forward line, we would be better off playing McGovern instead of Walker or Jenkins. Obviously off-field stuff matters too - but if Sydney are willing to move on someone like Hannebery - I think Walker is in a similar boat. You just couldn’t imagine the AFC doing this though and maybe rightly so.

 

[Thetrader15]

Still waiting...can we start a counter of # of days since MM said he wanted to leave but hasn't nominated Carlton