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Inspired selection.
You see what he's done by bowling 26 overs is take some of the load off Cummins and Starc who will be required to do most of the batting.
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Inspired selection.
You see what he's done by bowling 26 overs is take some of the load off Cummins and Starc who will be required to do most of the batting.
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Marsh is now 27 Waugh was early 20s
Waugh played on pitches that the ball moved, waving the great hostile bowling attacks of the West Indies, Pakistan etc using a tooth pick
Marsh bats on doctored roads, roped on boundaries with most of the bowlers that would be classed as tomato throwers as best with a tree stump compared to what Waugh used
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Go back to domestic level you dud and take Langer with you if he keeps going back to you
Go back to domestic level you dud and take Langer with you if he keeps going back to you
He also had a bowling average of 33 to go with that.
Marsh would absolutely kill for Watson's numbers, they aren't even in the same discussion as far as I'm concerned.
Watson was a very handy test cricketer that unfortunately just struggled to turn his good scores into hundreds. He was at the top of his game when he was opening the batting. Marsh isn't even good enough to be in the top 6.
You can laugh at Watson's batting average all you like but it's actually even higher than Marsh's FC average.
Watson
Batting: 35
Bowling: 33
Marsh
Batting: 25
Bowling: 42
That's a pretty handy record there from Watson and we'd kill for him today.
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He was a very good player. Guess some people only know what they've got when it's gone!
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For complete accuracy, the Shield batting records for each player you mentioned, along with bowling for all-rounders, plus a couple of others:
1. Aaron Finch - 31.08 (3 hundreds, 21 fifties)
2. Marcus Harris - 35.32 (9 hundreds, 16 fifties)
3. Usman Khawaja - 50.07 (12 hundreds, 19 fifties)
4. Shaun Marsh - 41.59 (14 hundreds, 25 fifties)
5. Travis Head - 36.08 (7 hundreds, 21 fifties)
6. Mitch Marsh - 28.02 (3 centuries, 11 fifties)
7. Tim Paine - 27.79 (1 hundred, 19 fifties)
Peter Handscomb - 40.13 (10 hundreds, 21 fifties)
Marnus Labuschagne - 33.88 (4 centuries, 14 fifties)
Cameron Bancroft - 38.83 (9 centuries, 9 fifties)
Matthew Renshaw - 38.13 (6 hundreds, 6 fifties)
Nick Maddinson - 34.57 (7 hundreds, 7 fifties)
Kurtis Patterson - 41.48 (6 hundreds, 23 fifties)
Joe Burns - 43.06 (12 hundreds, 28 fifties)
Matthew Wade - 39.77 (11 centuries, 32 fifties)
Hilton Cartwright
Batting - 39.50 (4 centuries, 11 fifties)
Bowling - 54.50 average, 79.61 strike rate, 4.10 economy rate (0 5-fers)
Glenn Maxwell
Batting - 44.15 (4 centuries, 18 fifties)
Bowling - 42.97 average, 80.53 strike rate, 3.20 economy rate (0 5-fers)
Marcus Stoinis
Batting - 33.83 (3 centuries, 18 fifties)
Bowling - 43.72 average, 76.33 strike rate, 3.44 economy rate (0 5-fers)
Ashton Agar
Batting - 25.00 (2 centuries, 7 fifties)
Bowling - 39.73 average, 76.92 strike rate, 3.09 economy rate (5 5-fers)
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Watson's career Shield record (54 matches):
Batting - 41.80 (9 hundreds, 16 fifties)
Bowling - 25.95 average, 44.79 strike rate, 3.47 economy rate (7 5-fers)
Shows the gap between he and Marsh (Marsh's numbers can be found here), before you even consider their limited overs records. They're the sort of numbers you would want and expect from Marsh at Shield level, to justify the hype and justify his Test selection as an all-rounder.
Watson was a seriously good and damaging bowler (more than just the robotic "run saver" he eventually became) in his younger years (before injuries), probably worthy of selection on that alone.
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Damon interesting your figures show Maxwell as 2nd in the batting averages at 44.15 but how many shield games has he played.
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Watson was an excellent bowler but injury took its toll on his body and he became a part timer. He was a bit like Ryan Harris in that he's not that tall but generated his pace from his upper body strength. He suits limited overs bowling a bit like Andrew Tye because he is accurate and ha plenty of variation but when he has to bowl 20 or 30 overs with the batsman not needing to score quickly he's easier to get away bowling 130s.
Out of interest how many Shield games did Marsh play before his test debut and how many since? Do you have that info and his record before/since making his test debut
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I'd like to see Wade selected as a pure batsman, and possibly take Shaun Marsh's #4 spot. I feel like without the responsibility and workload of keeping, he'll do better as a batsman at Test level than he has previously. He'll at least show a bit more grit and leadership than the elder Marsh.
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Maxwell won't be considered as an all rounder by CA because he bowls off spin and not pace. Had a bit of a mare to start his short test career but was good in India.
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Don't really have those splits readily available unfortunately.
I do recall early doors in Shield cricket, Mitch Marsh seemed to be a bit of a no-rounder, batting at #7-#8, but rarely being given a bowl either. It was almost like he was being picked at Shield level, without being given much to do, just to justify eventual international selection on potential alone.
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As far as I know the squad for Sydney is the same as the Melbourne squad.I think the current 11,Handscomb,Siddle and Tremain.If they need a 2nd spinner for Sydney I can not see any one who stands out.I thought they might have rested 1 of the fast bowlers but it looks like they will not bowl again in this match if India force the follow on.
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41 matches, 69 innings, 6 not outs. A decent sample size, but he's never really gotten a full Shield season at any stage to properly press his case, due to international limited overs commitments.
I would like to see him get some Test opportunities on home soil, though. All 7 of the Tests he's played have been outside of Australia.
Perhaps Wade at #4 and Maxwell at #6 for the Sri Lanka Test series?
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I'd be guessing between 40 and 50. Has 54 FC games outside of tests, but a few would have been tour games and has played for Yorkshire and Hampshire in county cricket (although I'm not sure if any of those would be FC games).
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He's one of the only ones legitimately putting his hand up at Shield level. Can't ask for more than that.
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Marsh has been screwed around ever since he won the U19 World Cup for Australia. They basically went "wow, obvious talent with bat and ball, let's just chuck him in straight away!" so he kept getting picked as the fourth paceman in a fairly ordinary WA side. He actually did well on debut, batting at 5 and scoring a 59*, while not bowling, which is exactly what he should've continued doing as he developed. Instead they focused on his bowling, which hasn't been the same since his injuries, and he's not as good of a batsman as he could've been - especially because he's been going between formats so often because of his obvious skill and classical, yet powerful hitting.
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Having a look the old fashioned way:
18/19 - 4 matches 264 @ 37.7 (6 wickets @ 62)
17/18 - 6 matches 424 @ 38.5 (6 wickets @ 30)
16/17 - 2 matches 26 @ 6.5
15/16 - 1 match 51 @ 51
14/15 - 1 match 2* @ -
4 1/2 Shield seasons and he's played a total of 14 matches. I know he's been in and out of the test side but even his brother has had 11 match seasons.
Performances have been better without being anything to write home about (one half century in one match is as pointless as 2* in one match) but I'd like to have seen his 17/18 or 18/19 across a full Shield season.
He was rested from the ODI series to allow him time to play first class cricket whilst any competition for his spot had to play ODIs and T20Is
Yeah but you are clearly missing the fact that Khawaja doesn't have a bowling average of 33
The 4th innings of this test match should be Mitch's last chance at test level. It will be his 53rd test innings, more than enough to show he is clearly no where near test level.
In that time the only time he's been able to score his two hundreds, we've posted scores of over 600 and declared so they were proven roads.
His record overall is pathetic for a player that has been gifted as many games as he has. He is not banging down the door at FC level. He has not passed 16 once in his last 9 test innings. There is absolutely nothing that suggests that he should be in the 11.
I was really disappointed to see a home crowd boo one of our own. It was embarrassing that we would do that. But it's obvious the public is fed up with it. Give someone else a go and see if they are up to it.
In that time the only time he's been able to score his two hundreds, we've posted scores of over 600 and declared so they were proven roads.
His record overall is pathetic for a player that has been gifted as many games as he has. He is not banging down the door at FC level. He has not passed 16 once in his last 9 test innings. There is absolutely nothing that suggests that he should be in the 11.
I was really disappointed to see a home crowd boo one of our own. It was embarrassing that we would do that. But it's obvious the public is fed up with it. Give someone else a go and see if they are up to it.
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He's played 7 ODI's in 2 years. Finch has had 19. That's not being "rested", that's being dropped
And even then, Khawaja is a far better player. More hundreds in less tests, more reliable in the cordon. And Khawaja is our 4th best player behind Lyon, Cummins and (IMO) Starc.
He may well have more overall hundreds, as much as Watto had an issue with turning his 50's into hundreds, he was fairly consistent over his career. He had 24 career 50's.
If I were to pick the best pure batsman of the two than Khawaja probably gets the nod, but I'd take Watson's batting as well as his 75 wickets at 33 ahead of Khawaja and there is no way in the world Watson was not as good as Khawaja in the field.
