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bird_man said:
The 4th innings of this test match should be Mitch's last chance at test level. It will be his 53rd test innings, more than enough to show he is clearly no where near test level.

In that time the only time he's been able to score his two hundreds, we've posted scores of over 600 and declared so they were proven roads.

His record overall is pathetic for a player that has been gifted as many games as he has. He is not banging down the door at FC level. He has not passed 16 once in his last 9 test innings. There is absolutely nothing that suggests that he should be in the 11.

I was really disappointed to see a home crowd boo one of our own. It was embarrassing that we would do that. But it's obvious the public is fed up with it. Give someone else a go and see if they are up to it.
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No it shouldn’t, if he goes back to Shield level and piles on the runs, you don’t say ‘oh, you had your chance when the selectors were playing silly buggers with your career’. I don’t agree with his selection, he’s running out of time to make an impact but he has shown he ‘can’ score big hundreds in Shield and Tests. Needs a full year for WA.
 
Another problem with our current calendar is that if Marsh isn't in the test squad he'd be playing for the Scorchers just how Handscomb played for the Stars last night. No Shield games for WA or anyone else until 23rd February. It's easy to give him a full season in the Shield but it's broken up by the test/BBL window anyway. Shield form from Feb/March is only so useful each November.
 

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Scotland said:
Another problem with our current calendar is that if Marsh isn't in the test squad he'd be playing for the Scorchers just how Handscomb played for the Stars last night. No Shield games for WA or anyone else until 23rd February. It's easy to give him a full season in the Shield but it's broken up by the test/BBL window anyway. Shield form from Feb/March is only so useful each November.
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There's a fair few Shield games prior to the BBL to get an assessment though, the problem is that guys on the cusp are often playing pointless ODIs and T20Is during this period.

County stints are underrated too, went out of fashion for awhile there but seem to have come back in recent years for guys who want to press their test claims.
 
Starburns_ said:
There's a fair few Shield games prior to the BBL to get an assessment though, the problem is that guys on the cusp are often playing pointless ODIs and T20Is during this period.

County stints are underrated too, went out of fashion for awhile there but seem to have come back in recent years for guys who want to press their test claims.
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I admire the fact Marsh opted to go and play county cricket this year in Surrey until Cricket Australia nullified it in order to get his ankle repaired and rest through the winter, only to drop him shortly afterward.
 
Scotland said:
Another problem with our current calendar is that if Marsh isn't in the test squad he'd be playing for the Scorchers just how Handscomb played for the Stars last night. No Shield games for WA or anyone else until 23rd February. It's easy to give him a full season in the Shield but it's broken up by the test/BBL window anyway. Shield form from Feb/March is only so useful each November.
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Add to that grade cricket is in a similar position or on break during that time.
 
The problem is that Maxwell/handscomb/burns/renshaw and so on have to beat the door down to make the team and get dropped if they fail in 3 innings Mitch marsh just has to look at the door for Justin langer to get on his knees and let him in

Wade smashing the door down averaging 70+ in the shield not good enough marsh making 3 in the bbl get him in there
 
Stevi_Tigers said:
The problem is that Maxwell/handscomb/burns/renshaw and so on have to beat the door down to make the team and get dropped if they fail in 3 innings Mitch marsh just has to look at the door for Justin langer to get on his knees and let him in

Wade smashing the door down averaging 70+ in the shield not good enough marsh making 3 in the bbl get him in there
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You know Langer has been in charge for five Tests right?
 
JackOutback said:
You know Langer has been in charge for five Tests right?
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But his point remains. The selectors seem to annoint certain players as 'special'. And.these guys get a dream run seemingly able to both retain and win a test.spot with much poorer performances than others

Its hard to argue that the Marsh brothers haven't been annointed ones. Mitch in particular.

Steve Waugh was another example. Watson another. Symonds another.

All of them all rounders.

Out of form Aussie test captains late in their careers have always been given too much rope as well - except for Bill Lawry.

Mitch doesn't appear to be up to it. Concrete feet and poor shot selection as a batsman. And a non wicket taking inconsistent bowler. Nothing special.

I sometimes wonder if Maxwell had been given the same chances as Mitch, who would have had the better career.

Then there are players who have been given a test or two to perform and don't get another look in. Seems harsh treatment when compared to Mitch.

Selection policy just doesn't seem fair. Perhaps if the selectors were more transparent to the public that might make their inconsistencies easier to understand.
 
Former Australian one-day star Brett Geeves said the batting results should come as no surprise given the lack of quality in the top six. He took aim at Aaron Finch and Shaun Marsh and called Mitchell Marsh the “worst performed number six in the history in the game”.
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OUCH :p :D
 
Watson certainly copped it but it was in a period where out batting is nowhere near as bad as it is now. I'd say it started around our tour of India in 2013 where he failed miserably despite having success in the past, after that he had the odd good innings which normally came in a dead rubber or were in a second innings where we'd already won the game (his home Ashes ton).

In this period we had Chris Rogers and Warner opening, Michael Clarke who despite his back issues we assumed had a few years in him since he was only 32-33 when this started. Steve Smith was putting it together and this all made Watson stand out a lot more. Yes, if we look at his record it actually looks handy compared with what we've got now but at the time he was certainly a weak link.

However the fact that Mitch Marsh is a weak link in our currently line up really shows you how poor his batting is. I don't think he's ever going to make it as a Test cricketer.
 

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to1994 said:
Watson certainly copped it but it was in a period where out batting is nowhere near as bad as it is now. I'd say it started around our tour of India in 2013 where he failed miserably despite having success in the past, after that he had the odd good innings which normally came in a dead rubber or were in a second innings where we'd already won the game (his home Ashes ton).

In this period we had Chris Rogers and Warner opening, Michael Clarke who despite his back issues we assumed had a few years in him since he was only 32-33 when this started. Steve Smith was putting it together and this all made Watson stand out a lot more. Yes, if we look at his record it actually looks handy compared with what we've got now but at the time he was certainly a weak link.

However the fact that Mitch Marsh is a weak link in our currently line up really shows you how poor his batting is. I don't think he's ever going to make it as a Test cricketer.
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Would you pick him based on his average of 22 with the bat and almost 80 with the ball over 2018, as an all rounder?
 
BRWB said:
But his point remains. The selectors seem to annoint certain players as 'special'. And.these guys get a dream run seemingly able to both retain and win a test.spot with much poorer performances than others

Its hard to argue that the Marsh brothers haven't been annointed ones. Mitch in particular.

Steve Waugh was another example. Watson another. Symonds another.

All of them all rounders.

Out of form Aussie test captains late in their careers have always been given too much rope as well - except for Bill Lawry.

Mitch doesn't appear to be up to it. Concrete feet and poor shot selection as a batsman. And a non wicket taking inconsistent bowler. Nothing special.

I sometimes wonder if Maxwell had been given the same chances as Mitch, who would have had the better career.

Then there are players who have been given a test or two to perform and don't get another look in. Seems harsh treatment when compared to Mitch.

Selection policy just doesn't seem fair. Perhaps if the selectors were more transparent to the public that might make their inconsistencies easier to understand.
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I don’t disagree but the issue is with selectors. Some people want to put the blame for decades of mistakes on Langer, mostly for partisan reasons (he’s from WA, so is Mitch, it’s a conspiracy I tell ya).

That said, selectors usually know more than us punters about technique and talent. Their faith in Waugh certainly paid off, even Watson and Symonds has decent careers. I don’t expect Mitch to have anywhere near the career of any of them, but I’d loveto be surprised.
 
The Speaker said:
He's 27. He will play again.
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Knowing the selectors probably next week.

If he wants to play test cricket again needs to perform for a couple of Shield summers and also a County season in England
 
The genuine best thing for him will be for him to play 2 seasons or so of Shield cricket, plus be fit for county cricket. Hopefully the selectors actually do that this time.
 
Van_Dyke said:
The genuine best thing for him will be for him to play 2 seasons or so of Shield cricket, plus be fit for county cricket. Hopefully the selectors actually do that this time.
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Pretty much this. Feel as sorry for him as anybody, clear as day his confidence would be gone.
 

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