Traded Nathan Freeman [traded w/ #68 to St Kilda for 2016 second round pick and #63]

[Apex36]

Maybe you should read your own posts and think about what you are saying before you post it.

here you admitted that Treloar is worth more than pick 1:



Then gave two possible trades as option implying ('hence the reason') they are worth more than pick 1:



However, you now admit that the first trade is not worth more than pick 1.

I clearly understood what you were saying better than you did. You can't even go two posts without contradicting yourself. Good work genius.

Ugh... The two trades are being mooted at the moment. One of them is of more value than pick 1. Obviously pies supporters want the lower value. Giants want higher. True value is probably somewhere in the middle slightly more than pick 1,but probably not achievable.

Why does everything have to be spelled out to St Kilda supporters... Seriously...

Go ahead and be pedantic. Your mob will still end up giving us your second rounder, which will be fair value.

 

[doona]

According to St Kilda supporters they have to throw around cash at players just to make it to 95% minimum spend of the cap. So yeah, where's the risk again?

In addition, Collingwood have the best facilities in the AFL. The best equipment etc... And would have a professional medical staff.

I would be worried about a player whose manager come out and said mismanagement is to blame for not getting on the park.

I don't know the ins and outs, but personally I like bucks response on radio.

 

[Apex36]

In addition, Collingwood have the best facilities in the AFL. The best equipment etc... And would have a professional medical staff.

I would be worried about a player whose manager come out and said mismanagement is to blame for not getting on the park.

I don't know the ins and outs, but personally I like bucks response on radio.

Pretty sure Connors didn't say anything about mismanagement, happy to be corrected though.

 

[Defacto]

thanks bucks!!! price just went down

 

[doona]

Pretty sure Connors didn't say anything about mismanagement, happy to be corrected though.

http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl...from-collingwood/story-fni5f6hd-1227541516884

It is understood Freeman will cite his medical treatment at Collingwood as one reason why he wants to move on

This is just the first article I found. I have read a few of them.

That's is what I think bucks is referring to in this article.

http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news...-him-nathan-buckley-says-20150929-gjxp52.html

In that Freeman, in medical recovery, the reasons he hasn't been on the park are not Collingwood fault.

 

[Apex36]

http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl...from-collingwood/story-fni5f6hd-1227541516884



This is just the first article I found. I have read a few of them.

That's is what I think bucks is referring to in this article.

http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news...-him-nathan-buckley-says-20150929-gjxp52.html

In that Freeman, in medical recovery, the reasons he hasn't been on the park are not Collingwood fault.

"It is understood" is code for "I'm repeating speculation on big footy".

As I said, I haven't seen Connors actually refer to injury management publicly as a reason for leaving. Doesn't mean it's not a reason, but Buckley can't exactly respond to Connors when he hasn't said it.

I have no doubt he was referring to the rumours of injury mismanagement that have been flying around though.

 

[Periphery]

Ugh... The two trades are being mooted at the moment. One of them is of more value than pick 1. Obviously pies supporters want the lower value. Giants want higher. True value is probably somewhere in the middle slightly more than pick 1,but probably not achievable.

Why does everything have to be spelled out to St Kilda supporters... Seriously...

Go ahead and be pedantic. Your mob will still end up giving us your second rounder, which will be fair value.

Good work shifting the goal posts in an attempt to make yourself not look as stupid.

 

[fishardansin]

or a player and said second round..... with a 3rd round pick coming back the other way

Nah. It'll be pick 5 for Carlisle and our third. They can trade our third with their second to Collingwood for Freeman. They then get a top 10 pick and a star KPD with their first two picks. That is a massive win by the saints.

 

[Apex36]

Good work shifting the goal posts in an attempt to make yourself not look as stupid.

If you say so buddy.

 

[fishardansin]

Pretty sure Connors didn't say anything about mismanagement, happy to be corrected though.

Connors .... say no more.

 

[Falchoon]

Yep, totally understand what you are saying. The end result is, however, those players (Carlisle & Freeman) are players that your team regard fairly highly, and the amount you pay is commensurate with the value of them in your team.
Therefore, not sure why the argument on the draft picks for those two that are going around. If they are worth that much to your team, surely you should be happy to part with your first and second round picks ?

I think you have the equation the wrong way around

The more we pay in $, the less we'll pay in trades.

A higher $ offer is there to reduce the competition/demand and therefore to reduce the need for a higher trade offer.

 

[sonnywalters]

Of course Treloar is worth more than pick 1. Hence the reason pick 7 and a second rounder, or next years first are being thrown around as trades.

Glad you agree that Freeman is worth pick 23

Fair enough. Treloar is worth about 7 + 23.

Freeman is probably around the 30 mark. So if we pay 23 for him - its probably a small win for you guys.

Big picture - a midfield of Treloar, Crisp, Swan, Pendlebury, Adams, Varcoe, Greenwood is top 4 material. Given you played off in a GF in 2011, then a 5 year turnaround on your re-build is extremely impressive.

 

[slugger01]

I think you have the equation the wrong way around

The more we pay in $, the less we'll pay in trades.

A higher $ offer is there to reduce the competition/demand and therefore to reduce the need for a higher trade offer.

You're kidding, right?
You think there is an inverse relationship between the salary you pay the player, and the draft picks you trade?????
So, according to you, Geelong pay a fifth round to Adelaide, because of the high salary?

 

[fishardansin]

You're kidding, right?
You think there is an inverse relationship between the salary you pay the player, and the draft picks you trade?????
So, according to you, Geelong pay a fifth round to Adelaide, because of the high salary?

Yes they're kidding themselves. I mean according to many here Dangerfield is worth a pick in the teens or genuine 2nd rounder because he is OOC, has nominated Geelong and they've given him a big contract. Laughable.

 

[mighty sainters]

You're kidding, right?
You think there is an inverse relationship between the salary you pay the player, and the draft picks you trade?????
So, according to you, Geelong pay a fifth round to Adelaide, because of the high salary?

Don't use hyperboles to try and illustrate your point, it just makes you look like you have no understanding of the topic. I'll break it down for you:

>St. Kilda offer overs in a contract (done)
>Freeman nominates St. Kilda, and refuses to do medicals elsewhere (done)
>Other clubs don't want to look at him, as they don't want someone on their list who doesn't want to be there and they don't know anything about his hammy problems that will "follow him" (no club is gonna take him/deal for him to spite us, footy as a business is way too professional now)
>St. Kilda offers a pick that is less than his potential worth, which Collingwood can either take, and get something for him, or force him into the draft, which means St. Kilda can take him for free, as with a high enough price on his head combined with medical issues makes other clubs not want him

Forcing him into the draft is a great way to start to alienate your playing group as well. Who is going to want to go to Collingwood and give their all when the club thinks it owns you and will screw you over just to maintain their pride (dependent on an offer that isn't something ridiculously low, admittedly)? On top of rumours of mismanagement being the reason he wants out, it isn't a good look.

 

[Schraderbrau]

Fair enough. Treloar is worth about 7 + 23.

Freeman is probably around the 30 mark. So if we pay 23 for him - its probably a small win for you guys.

Big picture - a midfield of Treloar, Crisp, Swan, Pendlebury, Adams, Varcoe, Greenwood is top 4 material. Given you played off in a GF in 2011, then a 5 year turnaround on your re-build is extremely impressive.

De Goey as well who was close to our best clearance player towards the end of last season as well as Sidebottom and Broomhead (I don't many non-Collingwood supporters are onto Broomhead yet but is going to be a gun).

It's a pity Freeman is leaving because the one area our midfield is lacking is in outside pace and class. Even so it's not a disaster because we've got so much depth in young players at the moment that we can afford to miss a draft or two focus on trading player to fit our needs. We've also got a fantastic conversion rate with low draft picks which makes trading away our top picks slightly easier.

 

[Schraderbrau]

Forcing him into the draft is a great way to start to alienate your playing group as well. Who is going to want to go to Collingwood and give their all when the club thinks it owns you and will screw you over just to maintain their pride (dependent on an offer that isn't something ridiculously low, admittedly)? On top of rumours of mismanagement being the reason he wants out, it isn't a good look.

I guess that must of been the reason why St Kilda lost in 2010.

 

[12kilos]

http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl...from-collingwood/story-fni5f6hd-1227541516884



This is just the first article I found. I have read a few of them.

That's is what I think bucks is referring to in this article.

http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news...-him-nathan-buckley-says-20150929-gjxp52.html

In that Freeman, in medical recovery, the reasons he hasn't been on the park are not Collingwood fault.

I think it is a very poor excuse, I think his reasons he has stated probably says more about the person then the reall reason he has quit Collingwood. He has put all the blame on Collingwood which is weak. He will probably come out soon and blame the Syrian crisis and the drop in the Australian share market on Collingwood also. i also dont think the Stkilda doctor is a miracle worker.
It would also be fair to say that the Holden centre would have better facilities then Seaford.
I also dont see Billings asking for a trade eventhough he done his hammies twice this year.
Freeman might be full of pontential , and could end up being a superstar. But he seems to be selfish a knob of a person.That completely twists the truth.
I dont even blame Connors anymore , managers at times are scamners. However there job is to support and follow instructions of the player they represent.

 

[mighty sainters]

I guess that must of been the reason why St Kilda lost in 2010.

Stupid cheap shots and derailings of the thread aren't really an argument. Also it's "must have"
But, FWIW, yes, if Collingwood didn't have Ball, they likely wouldn't have won in 2010. Also, you're kinda reinforcing my point here, we had 2 first round draft picks walk out for much less than their value, and a huge disconnect between the 22-25 regulars and younger players/everyone else during Lyon's time, which really screwed us over as it lead to a huge hole in our list in the 22-28 age bracket from 2012 onwards.
But hey, if you really want your club to go down that path, go ahead

 

[fishardansin]

Don't use hyperboles to try and illustrate your point, it just makes you look like you have no understanding of the topic. I'll break it down for you:

>St. Kilda offer overs in a contract (done)
>Freeman nominates St. Kilda, and refuses to do medicals elsewhere (done)
>Other clubs don't want to look at him, as they don't want someone on their list who doesn't want to be there and they don't know anything about his hammy problems that will "follow him" (no club is gonna take him/deal for him to spite us, footy as a business is way too professional now)
>St. Kilda offers a pick that is less than his potential worth, which Collingwood can either take, and get something for him, or force him into the draft, which means St. Kilda can take him for free, as with a high enough price on his head combined with medical issues makes other clubs not want him

Forcing him into the draft is a great way to start to alienate your playing group as well. Who is going to want to go to Collingwood and give their all when the club thinks it owns you and will screw you over just to maintain their pride (dependent on an offer that isn't something ridiculously low, admittedly)? On top of rumours of mismanagement being the reason he wants out, it isn't a good look.

While I don't advocate a club doing that it'd be fair enough for Saints to do that with Collingwood after the Luke Ball affair.

 

[Schraderbrau]

Stupid cheap shots and derailings of the thread aren't really an argument. Also it's "must have"
But, FWIW, yes, if Collingwood didn't have Ball, they likely wouldn't have won in 2010. Also, you're kinda reinforcing my point here, we had 2 first round draft picks walk out for much less than their value, and a huge disconnect between the 22-25 regulars and younger players/everyone else during Lyon's time, which really screwed us over as it lead to a huge hole in our list in the 22-28 age bracket from 2012 onwards.
But hey, if you really want your club to go down that path, go ahead

I know but I considered that it was worth it just to post a picture of Luke Ball in a Collingwood jumper and with a premiership medal won against St Kilda.

 

[Periphery]

I think it is a very poor excuse, I think his reasons he has stated probably says more about the person then the reall reason he has quit Collingwood. He has put all the blame on Collingwood which is weak. He will probably come out soon and blame the Syrian crisis and the drop in the Australian share market on Collingwood also. i also dont think the Stkilda doctor is a miracle worker.
It would also be fair to say that the Holden centre would have better facilities then Seaford.
I also dont see Billings asking for a trade eventhough he done his hammies twice this year.
Freeman might be full of pontential , and could end up being a superstar. But he seems to be selfish a knob of a person.That completely twists the truth.
I dont even blame Connors anymore , managers at times are scamners. However there job is to support and follow instructions of the player they represent.

This is a bad post by someone that doesn't know what they are talking about. Stop posting.

 

[EBERT THE KING]

Freeman will go to the PSD if he has to. Will still get to STK.

ordinary comments from Buckley

 

[Falchoon]

I guess that must of been the reason why St Kilda lost in 2010.

well it wasn't Ball's performance on Lenny

 

[Turboman1994]

interesting to see if he lives up to his hype