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Linda_Lovelace said:
Hardly. We are a professional club, we have to deal with agents and personalities would not really enter into it. If we offer one of his clients the best deal, he will steer the player our way, if not they go elsewhere. He has a job to do, just like Balme and Hine do.
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If that's the case, why is he commenting on something that has nothing to do with him.

Derek Hine and Neil Balme aren't making public assumptions on St Kilda's list.
 
Lack of opportunity? He was never available to pick! Which one of his 4 vfl games should have been in the 1's?

The only time we could show him we rated him was at draft time. And we did, with pick 10. The Saints could have picked him before us but didn't.

Gota problem with the fitness staff? No worries. More cash? Ok.

Don't play the opportunity card please
 
Maggie5 said:
Hadn't watched the highlights of Freeman before today so went to the Club site and had a look.


"Collingwood is upset because they’ve invested a lot of time, so I understand the emotions will be high. I’m not going to sit back and let Nathan Freeman’s character be questioned, because he’s a ripping person."
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I think he meant nathan's hammies are ripping blokes
 
speedytiger said:
Lack of opportunity? He was never available to pick! Which one of his 4 vfl games should have been in the 1's?

The only time we could show him we rated him was at draft time. And we did, with pick 10. The Saints could have picked him before us but didn't.

Gota problem with the fitness staff? No worries. More cash? Ok.

Don't play the opportunity card please
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I'd say he's more worried about future opportunity, since no-one can change the past. Pretty tough competition with Pendlebury, Varcoe, Sidebottom, Adams, Crisp, De Goey, Greenwood, Blair, Williams, Seedsman, Treloar, Aish, and whoever else you guys attract for the next few years. It's a pretty strong group developing. From an "opportunity" perspective, he'll get a lot more chances at St Kilda because our midfield is pretty threadbare at the moment, even more so once Montagna goes.

Swings and roundabouts. You guys have attracted plenty of good young players from other teams (Adams, Crisp, Treloar etc). This is the way it works in the modern AFL. The kid has played zero games and he doesn't want to be at Collingwood. I don't see how you're going to get huge compensation. Third-round pick (40 something) is fair for everyone and I expect that will get done in the first two days of the trade period.
 
bergholt said:
I'd say he's more worried about future opportunity, since no-one can change the past. Pretty tough competition with Pendlebury, Varcoe, Sidebottom, Adams, Crisp, De Goey, Greenwood, Blair, Williams, Seedsman, Treloar, Aish, and whoever else you guys attract for the next few years. It's a pretty strong group developing. From an "opportunity" perspective, he'll get a lot more chances at St Kilda because our midfield is pretty threadbare at the moment, even more so once Montagna goes.

Swings and roundabouts. You guys have attracted plenty of good young players from other teams (Adams, Crisp, Treloar etc). This is the way it works in the modern AFL. The kid has played zero games and he doesn't want to be at Collingwood. I don't see how you're going to get huge compensation. Third-round pick (40 something) is fair for everyone and I expect that will get done in the first two days of the trade period.
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Third round pick isn't fair. Was St Kilda getting nothing for Ball fair? I'd suspect you'd say it wasn't and we'd have no intention of using pick 40. Second round pick is fair for value but of course that doesn't mean it'll happen either, just don't go saying it's a fair deal if you bend us over the trade table.
 

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Adz said:
So much energy wasted on this thread. Who cares?
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Agree with above.

Couple of things to also consider here. There was a rumor going around after Nathan did his hammy the first time, didn't take much notice of it at the time but after reading another posters comments about his dad shopping him around the initial rumor started to make sense. His dad was allegedly unhappy with the training loads Nathan was subjected too as a rookie when he first joined the club. Claimed his initial hamstring injury was due to over loading/training, too much too soon. Basically thinks his son was mismanaged. Now if this is true then it obviously would have affected the relationship between Nathan or more so his dad and the club very early days. Then add to the second hammy injury and surgery to the mix and you get this situation. Sounds like his dad is a very strong influence and that's fair enough but how many times have we seen the situation with young athletes careers being run/ruined by their dad?

Anyway in saying all that I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. I don't think he'll be anything special, really struggled at VFL level and his only attribute of note is speed. His disposal/foot-skills were ordinary and looked like a fish out of water at VFL level. Think we should just cut our losses, accept a second round pick and move on.
 
bergholt said:
I'd say he's more worried about future opportunity, since no-one can change the past. Pretty tough competition with Pendlebury, Varcoe, Sidebottom, Adams, Crisp, De Goey, Greenwood, Blair, Williams, Seedsman, Treloar, Aish, and whoever else you guys attract for the next few years. It's a pretty strong group developing. From an "opportunity" perspective, he'll get a lot more chances at St Kilda because our midfield is pretty threadbare at the moment, even more so once Montagna goes.

Swings and roundabouts. You guys have attracted plenty of good young players from other teams (Adams, Crisp, Treloar etc). This is the way it works in the modern AFL. The kid has played zero games and he doesn't want to be at Collingwood. I don't see how you're going to get huge compensation. Third-round pick (40 something) is fair for everyone and I expect that will get done in the first two days of the trade period.
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Except that North has offered their first round. You're way off the mark son.
 
Kilmo said:
Except that North has offered their first round. You're way off the mark son.
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Would it be too much of a stretch to try and convince him to head to North? If he's truly worried about his hamstring, North have the best soft tissue management in the league. Would love to get him there at this point, if only to piss off Saints supporters.
 
Bard said:
Third round pick isn't fair. Was St Kilda getting nothing for Ball fair? I'd suspect you'd say it wasn't and we'd have no intention of using pick 40. Second round pick is fair for value but of course that doesn't mean it'll happen either, just don't go saying it's a fair deal if you bend us over the trade table.
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Yep, good point, agreed. It's not fair value, it's true value in this situation. Contract status and the player's relationship with the club are huge factors. Hence Beams was always leaving last year, for instance, and you guys did well to get reasonable value for him. The only one that stumps me is Wellingham, still can't work out how you ended up with pick 17 for a GOP.
 
Kilmo said:
Except that North has offered their first round. You're way off the mark son.
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Sure. But players usually end up at the club they nominate, and we can afford to offer him more than North so he's going to nominate us. Did anyone seriously think there was any chance of Beams ending up at Gold Coast last year, even if Gold Coast offered more?
 
bergholt said:
I'd say he's more worried about future opportunity, since no-one can change the past. Pretty tough competition with Pendlebury, Varcoe, Sidebottom, Adams, Crisp, De Goey, Greenwood, Blair, Williams, Seedsman, Treloar, Aish, and whoever else you guys attract for the next few years. It's a pretty strong group developing. From an "opportunity" perspective, he'll get a lot more chances at St Kilda because our midfield is pretty threadbare at the moment, even more so once Montagna goes.

Swings and roundabouts. You guys have attracted plenty of good young players from other teams (Adams, Crisp, Treloar etc). This is the way it works in the modern AFL. The kid has played zero games and he doesn't want to be at Collingwood. I don't see how you're going to get huge compensation. Third-round pick (40 something) is fair for everyone and I expect that will get done in the first two days of the trade period.
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I agree we have attracted those players you speak of and yes swings and roundabouts. However, Adams was acquired for an A grader in shaw, crisp for an elite mid in beams and we haven't actually got treloar yet so I'm not sure they're good examples. Freeman is worth an 20-25 pick and I think that's what'll happen.
 
travie said:
I agree we have attracted those players you speak of and yes swings and roundabouts. However, Adams was acquired for an A grader in shaw, crisp for an elite mid in beams and we haven't actually got treloar yet so I'm not sure they're good examples. Freeman is worth an 20-25 pick and I think that's what'll happen.
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Adams had played 31 games in his first two years. Freeman has played 0.

I agree Crisp isn't a particularly good example, since he was steak knives in the Beams trade. Good steak knives though. And even he'd played 18 in three years.

If Freeman had played 10 games and shown a bit then I completely agree 20-25 would be fair. But in the entire time since he was drafted he's only played a handful of VFL games. His injury history has to drop his value significantly.
 
bergholt said:
Adams had played 31 games in his first two years. Freeman has played 0.

I agree Crisp isn't a particularly good example, since he was steak knives in the Beams trade. Good steak knives though. And even he'd played 18 in three years.

If Freeman had played 10 games and shown a bit then I completely agree 20-25 would be fair. But in the entire time since he was drafted he's only played a handful of VFL games. His injury history has to drop his value significantly.
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So why are you clowns offering him over 300k a year?

Can't have it both ways
 
I think Goldy has the right idea: (from AFL.com.au)

TYSON Goldsack admits he was surprised when he found out talented youngster Nathan Freeman had requested a trade to St Kilda.

However, the Magpie defender's rationale is simple: if you don't want to commit 100 per cent to Collingwood then there's no point being there.

"I'm not going to lie, it caught me by surprise a little bit," Goldsack said on Thursday.

"But everyone has their own views on a club or an environment where they might want to be.

"It's hard for me to say because I don't know how he feels or how it's gone for him the last two years.

"But if he wants to go then we probably don’t want someone at the club who doesn't want to be there 100 per cent."

Personally if StK want to play "hardball"....then I say let him go in the draft....sooner or later someone has to say "no" to Mr. Freeman and the other upstarts currently thinking they can "play" with the AFL system. Let Brisbane claim him, or Carlton. Let's see what his dad says to that?
 
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