Never thought it would come to this
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Agreed the darkest day in our history and people must be held to account. For the second week in a row we selected too many falls. Last week Berwick out injured and we repaved him with a tall. This week Berwick still injured yet we drop Polec and replace him with a half fit Drummod. Puzzling selection- another quick running player Obrien starts as sub. Green a fast and hard elusive player would have been handy but left out. Don't get me started on Tom Collier!!! A bad day at the office by coaches and players. We have been humiliated by steam that had 15 goals kicked against it only last week. Something s very wrong.
Agreed the darkest day in our history and people must be held to account. For the second week in a row we selected too many falls. Last week Berwick out injured and we repaved him with a tall. This week Berwick still injured yet we drop Polec and replace him with a half fit Drummod. Puzzling selection- another quick running player Obrien starts as sub. Green a fast and hard elusive player would have been handy but left out. Don't get me started on Tom Collier!!! A bad day at the office by coaches and players. We have been humiliated by steam that had 15 goals kicked against it only last week. Something s very wrong.
whatboutbob
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I can justify Leuie at FF because it can be spun as an investment in our future.
Merrett, the form FB of the comp, playing at FF is nothing but a stop-gap measure desperately trying to grab the 4 points. Fair enough too as an experiment, except when it fails miserably and you're left with *nothing*. The coach needs to take responsibility for that.
Having said that, Vossy should be more concerned with the absolute smashing we copped in clearances against a team with, what, 6 mature players? 49 to 19 at 3/4 time. Un-freaking-believable.
Sorry - I'm sure that's been said plenty, but I just got home and need to vent.
I can justify Leuie at FF because it can be spun as an investment in our future.
Merrett, the form FB of the comp, playing at FF is nothing but a stop-gap measure desperately trying to grab the 4 points. Fair enough too as an experiment, except when it fails miserably and you're left with *nothing*. The coach needs to take responsibility for that.
Having said that, Vossy should be more concerned with the absolute smashing we copped in clearances against a team with, what, 6 mature players? 49 to 19 at 3/4 time. Un-freaking-believable.
Sorry - I'm sure that's been said plenty, but I just got home and need to vent.
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Sorry should read talls but falls may be appropriate.
Sorry should read talls but falls may be appropriate.
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Even though this won't happen this would be a hypothetically dumb decision. Seems to me the problem with Voss is he can't/won't take advice because he has such a big ego. Unfortunately, I doubt his ego will allow him to fall on his own sword. Buckley will walk down the same road because his ego is probably bigger.
The guy McCartney who left Geelong to go to Essendon has a positive reputation as a TEACHER...something our younger guys desperately need. Voss's message, if he has one, is either not getting through or it is rubbish. Pity he's not the Messiah...but he was a bloody great player.
Even though this won't happen this would be a hypothetically dumb decision. Seems to me the problem with Voss is he can't/won't take advice because he has such a big ego. Unfortunately, I doubt his ego will allow him to fall on his own sword. Buckley will walk down the same road because his ego is probably bigger.
The guy McCartney who left Geelong to go to Essendon has a positive reputation as a TEACHER...something our younger guys desperately need. Voss's message, if he has one, is either not getting through or it is rubbish. Pity he's not the Messiah...but he was a bloody great player.
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I didnt want to go on here tonight at all - before the game i was too nervous, busy watching it during the game and didnt feel like it afterwards.
I do think we need soemone not linked to the club - forget Malthouse he wont leave Melbourne
Roos is another choice & I think Port were stupid not to pick Brenton Sanderson - by all reports he is a coach in waiting
I didnt want to go on here tonight at all - before the game i was too nervous, busy watching it during the game and didnt feel like it afterwards.
I do think we need soemone not linked to the club - forget Malthouse he wont leave Melbourne
Roos is another choice & I think Port were stupid not to pick Brenton Sanderson - by all reports he is a coach in waiting
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Leigh has a lot to answer for really, he jumped ship when he knew what was lying ahead and it got a bit hard, then handed the mess over to Vossy.Remember all those last quarters we lost in his last few years?
He is in some way to blame for the list the way it is. he will be remembered as a hero, but he also couldnt rebuild a team.
The move of Mcgrath to the forward line was almost a matchwinning one imo, no credit to Voss for that?
He is in some way to blame for the list the way it is. he will be remembered as a hero, but he also couldnt rebuild a team.
The move of Mcgrath to the forward line was almost a matchwinning one imo, no credit to Voss for that?
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Very true Ceebee but that is one matchwinning move out of any stuff ups - how much longer do we wait
I agree with the sentiment
Plenty here are paying out on Voss for some questionable "tactics" (notably thee Merrett to FF disaster) but you do have to give him some credit for the McGrath switch.
It's a pity he didn't try that first up
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I agree with the sentiment
Plenty here are paying out on Voss for some questionable "tactics" (notably thee Merrett to FF disaster) but you do have to give him some credit for the McGrath switch.
It's a pity he didn't try that first up
How do you know Strawb didn't soften 'em up for Boonji?
I think you guys need to keep your heads up. Brown will help. Risca was a massive loss, a rock in the midfield. Brennan at his best is amazing, so also a big lost. When Clarke can go back too ruck it'll be good (very, very important).. Maybe try McGrath up forward some more. There are some positives, it's just hard to see right now.
- Adcock is a gun
- Rockliff is a gun
- Rich is becoming underrated
- Luey is great
- Drummond fit and firing is sooo key.
- Black is amazing (obv. one of the best of the century so far), but at some point they need to cope without him.
- Adcock is a gun
- Rockliff is a gun
- Rich is becoming underrated
- Luey is great
- Drummond fit and firing is sooo key.
- Black is amazing (obv. one of the best of the century so far), but at some point they need to cope without him.
You are being sarcastic right, I seem to recall one recent off-season pretty vividly.
Well said possum, my thoughts exactly.
Another post which hits the nail on the head.
What absolute rubbish. I seem to recall the year after Leigh left we made the finals and finished sixth with a squad Leigh assembled. Voss was the one who thought it was a good idea to play real life 'supercoach' and really set the rot in. Add to that that he is one of the worse in-game tacticians in recent history, not to mention very poor at the selection table and it has resulted in the rabble we are.
No-one is disputing or questioning his ability as a player and his standing at the club, but lets be honest and admit that he is way out of depth and if we are serious about improving, him and a number of his staff must go. Let's just bring in a proven coach and the man I want is Mr Roos.
The biggest issue I see here with the Lions is that, apart from maybe Daniel Rich and Ash McGrath tonight, you once again relied far too heavily on Simon Black and Luke Power to get the job done. These guys are 30+ now, but still your best players by a mile.
Now, that's partly because they are awesome players, but it's also partly because there's nobody really stepping up to fill those shoes. And even Brown, when he comes back... he's like 28 now as well. And he's very injury-prone at the moment, which isn't going to get better with age.
Like I was trying to say in the thread last week when you played us, Brisbane haven't hit rock bottom yet, because they still have Black and Power (and to a lesser extent at the moment, Brown to come back). In 2-3 years though, when those two are gone, well who replaces them?
You traded the potential replacement for Brown to Carlton for Fevola, who is also now gone. Bradshaw is no more, although he is older and just as injury-prone as Brown, so that probably doesn't make a massive difference.
But who (of players that aren't currently playing but are on your list) steps in for Black and/or Power? You could say Redden, or Banfield, or some of those guys, but unfortunately these guys are already in your side. When Black and Power leave, you will either need those guys to step up about 10 levels, or find other players to fill those very hefty shoes.
And finding that in the draft will be so much harder, especially with the upcoming one touted as quite weak in comparison to some of the previous drafts, and also being compromised due to GWS.
The Lions are in probably the worst list predicament that any club has been in for a very long time, and that's not exaggerating. Your situation makes our list between 2002-2004 look pretty good. And I definitely see similarities to what Voss did post-2009 season, and what Frawley did post-2001 season with us.
Went for the top-up, and while everyone else was recruiting for the future of the competition, (i.e. Judd, Hodge, etc), we were chomping at the bit to get the "established guns", to push for a flag, (i.e. Steven Sziller, Leon Cameron, etc).
Crazy idea here, but maybe you guys should trade Power and Black to GWS, and get some fairly high draft picks. GWS will be desperate for big-bodied, high-profile players, and despite being at the twilight of their careers, you'd probably get overs for them, considering how many picks GWS will have in the draft.
Just a thought...
Now, that's partly because they are awesome players, but it's also partly because there's nobody really stepping up to fill those shoes. And even Brown, when he comes back... he's like 28 now as well. And he's very injury-prone at the moment, which isn't going to get better with age.
Like I was trying to say in the thread last week when you played us, Brisbane haven't hit rock bottom yet, because they still have Black and Power (and to a lesser extent at the moment, Brown to come back). In 2-3 years though, when those two are gone, well who replaces them?
You traded the potential replacement for Brown to Carlton for Fevola, who is also now gone. Bradshaw is no more, although he is older and just as injury-prone as Brown, so that probably doesn't make a massive difference.
But who (of players that aren't currently playing but are on your list) steps in for Black and/or Power? You could say Redden, or Banfield, or some of those guys, but unfortunately these guys are already in your side. When Black and Power leave, you will either need those guys to step up about 10 levels, or find other players to fill those very hefty shoes.
And finding that in the draft will be so much harder, especially with the upcoming one touted as quite weak in comparison to some of the previous drafts, and also being compromised due to GWS.
The Lions are in probably the worst list predicament that any club has been in for a very long time, and that's not exaggerating. Your situation makes our list between 2002-2004 look pretty good. And I definitely see similarities to what Voss did post-2009 season, and what Frawley did post-2001 season with us.
Went for the top-up, and while everyone else was recruiting for the future of the competition, (i.e. Judd, Hodge, etc), we were chomping at the bit to get the "established guns", to push for a flag, (i.e. Steven Sziller, Leon Cameron, etc).
Crazy idea here, but maybe you guys should trade Power and Black to GWS, and get some fairly high draft picks. GWS will be desperate for big-bodied, high-profile players, and despite being at the twilight of their careers, you'd probably get overs for them, considering how many picks GWS will have in the draft.
Just a thought...
You didn't watch the game if you think this. He is soft and as someone else said, should have just persisted with Cam Wood who is just as average and taken Joel Selwood, which is what I and many others wanted at the time. Leuey has a lot of supportrs on here, me not being one, but he is a big soft girls blouse and tonight proved it, even after the Suns second ruck went off. Waste of a pick 4.
That would be 'tear up your membership' stuff. Those champions need to finish their careers on their own terms.
What we need is this:
- Middle of the road players to be cleared out, starting with Stiller, Sheldon and Austin. These guys will not be part of our next flag. Collier fits the category too.
- Defined roles. Too many players are being moved around, or are clearly not being given clear roles within the team. Banfield, Clark and Patfull stand out as three who are victims of this.
- More time perfecting the basics. Enough said really, we fail dismally at so many skills which are essential for success in modern day footy, namely kicking and our defensive press.
You didn't watch the game if you think this. He is soft and as someone else said, should have just persisted with Cam Wood who is just as average and taken Joel Selwood, which is what I and many others wanted at the time. Leuey has a lot of supportrs on here, me not being one, but he is a big soft girls blouse and tonight proved it, even after the Suns second ruck went off. Waste of a pick 4.
Simply not true Dylan. Cam Wood was drafted before Leuy yet has shown much, much less. How would we be better off with him?
Wouldn't go as far as to call him a waste of a pick 4, but even though he won the hitouts, he was well beaten by Smith playing solo tonight. Credit where it due - have not seen such an impressive performance from a first year reckon in a very very long time.
Can someone tell me what's going on with our marking this year? Leuie, Clark, Banfield... we can't seem to clunk one to save ourselves.
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Revisionism. Wood demanded out.
Voss's head is certainly on the chopping block for mine. He has the rest of the year to get himself out of that situation but it doesn't look good.
Everything that I have picked wrong with our selections continues to unfortunately be proven correct. Speed not height is king - HOW MANY TIMES MUST WE BE HUMILIATED BEFORE WE UNDERSTAND THIS???
49 clearances to 19 at three quarter time. Riska looked twice as fast as most of our mids. Like most teams they continually got more numbers around the contest and we continued to look on flat footed as the opposition run past to win another clearance. Fletcher can go now as far as I'm concerned.
Collier is one of the worst footballer's I have seen play for Brisbane. If anyone continues to defend him I think I will literally throw up. That goes doubly for you Voss.
Merrett to full forward was an attrocious move. Merrett has never shown anything at full forward, the only reason his career was saved was by being moved away from there.
I am bloody angry beyond belief. If any true Lions supporter or anyone involved with the Club is not absolutely gutted by the result then it is a bloody disgrace.
Everything that I have picked wrong with our selections continues to unfortunately be proven correct. Speed not height is king - HOW MANY TIMES MUST WE BE HUMILIATED BEFORE WE UNDERSTAND THIS???
49 clearances to 19 at three quarter time. Riska looked twice as fast as most of our mids. Like most teams they continually got more numbers around the contest and we continued to look on flat footed as the opposition run past to win another clearance. Fletcher can go now as far as I'm concerned.
Collier is one of the worst footballer's I have seen play for Brisbane. If anyone continues to defend him I think I will literally throw up. That goes doubly for you Voss.
Merrett to full forward was an attrocious move. Merrett has never shown anything at full forward, the only reason his career was saved was by being moved away from there.
I am bloody angry beyond belief. If any true Lions supporter or anyone involved with the Club is not absolutely gutted by the result then it is a bloody disgrace.
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No, because he felt there were too many more senior rucks in front of him. If he'd known Beau was going to pull the pin only months later he'd have stayed on.
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