New Assistants!

[tribey]

Would reek of another Peter Rhode like appointment.

Except Dean Bailey was one of our chief lieutenants as we rocked faces and took names nationwide.

Excellent coach and football brain.

 

[Waspy79]

Why would he be facing the sack if he had what it takes?

We've already got two sacked coaches on board, do we really want another?

 

[QPower]

Why would he be facing the sack if he had what it takes?

We've already got two sacked coaches on board, do we really want another?

An outstanding assistant does not always make a good senior coach. Bailey is a first class assistant.

 

[Waspy79]

An outstanding assistant does not always make a good senior coach. Bailey is a first class assistant.

I'm sorry I don't buy it. Does a failed senior coach make a good assistant coach or football administrator? Laidley and Rhode were once considered 'first class assistants' too otherwise they would never have landed a senior gig.

If Rhode and Laidley are central to our problems (as I constantly read on here) why would anyone want to employ yet another failed senior coach as an assistant?

I'm not saying it would fail but I am surprised that the idea would be pushed. I'd prefer go for a Lade or Bassett, someone who has the potential to rise up the coaching ladder, not someone who has been found out at the top.

 

[CrimsonRaven]

You do realise Baily's was an assistant coach at Port during the early 2000's right through till the end of 2007.

 

[PAFC04]

Trying to find up and coming coaches is really hard, or it could be really easy depending on what characteristics are required.

It would be best for matty to get assistants who are at the same age genre to grow with the younger players together at the club, by doing so it creates a mateship bond between players and coaches over the next 3-6 years. Hoping that in between that time we could win a premiership.

Preferably Full time coaches....

 

[Spadge]

i saw Tom Hafey on an advert tonight for Jeep... something about being 70 and really fit and doing stuff not many other 70yr olds do.. like running, skydiving etc....

Perhaps he would be interested in an assistants role at Port

 

[brogan2motlop]

Shit we use Skype...

I am sure someone at the club can download the latest asst coach iPhone app

 

[Spadge]

Shit we use Skype...

I am sure someone at the club can download the latest asst coach iPhone app

Problem there is the club cant afford the full version and the free version only works for 1 quarter of a game... oh hold on....

 

[Waspy79]

You do realise Baily's was an assistant coach at Port during the early 2000's right through till the end of 2007.

Of course. I don't see that as being particularly relevant to my point.

 

[kaysee]

Ben Cousins as midfield coach.


Despite his off-field issues I think he offers heaps to offer midfielders in regards to:

- training required and pushing yourself to absolute limits in order to succeed.
- gameday knowledge.

IMO the training regimes of Cousins and Judd are unsurpassed in the AFL. You can see the direct impact Judd has made to Carlton's midfielders by sharing his training and application knowledge.

Cousins could do similar with Port's midfield IMO.

 

[Malibu#27]

Ben Cousins as midfield coach.


Despite his off-field issues I think he offers heaps to offer midfielders in regards to:

- training required and pushing yourself to absolute limits in order to succeed.
- gameday knowledge.

IMO the training regimes of Cousins and Judd are unsurpassed in the AFL. You can see the direct impact Judd has made to Carlton's midfielders by sharing his training and application knowledge.

Cousins could do similar with Port's midfield IMO.

You're surely not serious are you ...

Hes still rumoured to have issues.. and we all know why he trained so hard now.

 

[blackdiamond]

Would reek of another Peter Rhode like appointment.

You can't paint them all with the same brush, Bailey was at least successful as an assistant with us.

 

[squinto]

Ben Cousins as midfield coach.


Despite his off-field issues I think he offers heaps to offer midfielders in regards to:

- training required and pushing yourself to absolute limits in order to succeed.
- gameday knowledge.

IMO the training regimes of Cousins and Judd are unsurpassed in the AFL. You can see the direct impact Judd has made to Carlton's midfielders by sharing his training and application knowledge.

Cousins could do similar with Port's midfield IMO.

If Ben Cousins was rehabilitated from his off field issues he would be a great appointment. However, some could argue that his appointment would have a negative impact on the club from a Public Relations point of
view.

I wouldn’t totally dismiss this kaysee!

I’m from a football background and Ben Cousins was definitely one of the players you were told by the coach to watch (watch very closely) on the field. His ability to read the footy and his fitness and strength were outstanding. He had one of the greatest work ethics and would often come from the ground throwing up purely from his hard gut running efforts. He would not only offer our midfielders a lot but our entire team, considering today’s game is more about zones then sprint work forward to create and make plays, then sprint back to create the zone, or from kick in's. However, our guys just tend to zone then forget about the gut running required to create and make play. I doubt Ben Cousins would ever just stand in the one area with hands on hips like we’ve been doing.

Some could argue that Ben Cousins did train very hard and that this was potentially to aid with bringing his body back in to top condition after a bender but this could also be shown as a positive (not the drugs or alcohol consumption) but what is actually required to get to his level fitness levels and the hard work ethic he always displayed.

I doubt we would have the ability to attract a current champion player so the next best thing could be to bring an ex-champion player (outside of Port Adelaide) to the club to show us a thing or two, almost like a mentor role.

 

[Power Raid]

The club knows too much about his past. As such it will never happen.

 

[QPower]

Of course. I don't see that as being particularly relevant to my point.

Some people are just great assistants without the tools to do the top job.

You're logic seems to run something like this: even though Bailey has an established record as an outstanding assistant, because he failed at being a senior coach he is no longer an outstanding assistant.

It is a bit like saying because Jonathon brown was tried in the midfield a few years back by Leigh Matthews and did poorly, he is no longer a good forward.

 

[Schulzenfest]

It is a bit like saying because Nick Salter was tried in defence by Mark Willians and Matthew Primus and did poorly, he is no longer a good forward.

Efa

 

[Waspy79]

Some people are just great assistants without the tools to do the top job.

You're logic seems to run something like this: even though Bailey has an established record as an outstanding assistant, because he failed at being a senior coach he is no longer an outstanding assistant.

It is a bit like saying because Jonathon brown was tried in the midfield a few years back by Leigh Matthews and did poorly, he is no longer a good forward.

No, I am suggesting that we, as a generalisation of the port bigfooty community, bemoan the performance of both Laidley and Rhode who are failed senior coaches as Bailey will be at seasons end but appear happy to look at his more distant record as an assistant to justify wanting him back. Read what I wrote again.

 

[FishingRick04]

The problem I have is some of the people come from losing cultures, eg cough cough Rhode. His record as a coach of any sort at AFL level isn't great

 

[Schulzenfest]

No, I am suggesting that we, as a generalisation of the port bigfooty community, bemoan the performance of both Laidley and Rhode who are failed senior coaches as Bailey will be at seasons end but appear happy to look at his more distant record as an assistant to justify wanting him back. Read what I wrote again.

We bemoan Laidley and Rhode's performances because Laidley and Rhode's performances are crap, not because they're failed senior coaches. Correlation =/= causation.

 

[Waspy79]

We bemoan Laidley and Rhode's performances because Laidley and Rhode's performances are crap, not because they're failed senior coaches. Correlation =/= causation.

Perhaps there is a correlation between being a failed senior coach and then subsequently failing as an assistant?

I can't think of many other examples other than Laidley and Rhode (acknowledging that Rhode is not an assistant but he is involved in the operations of the coaches box).

What other senior coaches have failed at the role and become successful assistants? Provide examples here to strengthen your argument:

 

[Schulzenfest]

Dean Bailey.

Why does it have to be in that order? We already know he was a successful assistant. His failures (which I personally think are overstated anyway, Melbourne's list isn't that good) as a senior coach don't undo the good work he did as an assistant here at Port.

 

[Portology]

No, I am suggesting that we, as a generalisation of the port bigfooty community, bemoan the performance of both Laidley and Rhode who are failed senior coaches as Bailey will be at seasons end but appear happy to look at his more distant record as an assistant to justify wanting him back. Read what I wrote again.

Best outcome IMO would be both Bassett and someone-like-Bailey in well defined AC roles, not necessarily the usual positional-based roles.

Basset had a role as skills coach at Norwood for a couple of years, we could use that right now. I want to see real hunger in some of the ACs, even if the person is up front about wanting to earn a senior gig in 3 years. Right now I'm not seeing "mongrel" in our ACs it looks a bunch of "mentors" plus part time "Grumpy Old Man" Laidley. A club needs both types. Healthy internal pressure on the top job is a good thing. Say Bassett starts at the end of the season, will be an interesting 2013 one way or the other. A hedge.

Dean's record as AC under Choco is a lot better than Rohde's under Wallace, and IMO Dean's legacy as a senior coach will come to be seen as far better than Rohde's too. So park that pointless comparison. Melbourne aren't out of the finals race yet, they have won nearly as many games as all last year. If Melbourne sacks Bailey it'll be to grab a "performance" coach like Clarko who they think has the tactical & game plan "tricks" to shortcut a developed group to the next level ala Hawks '08. That wouldn't say Bailey "failed" as a "development" coach. He's no Wallace or Neesham FFS.

 

[Asgardian]

Dean has reached his "Peter Principle"

Which naturally means he is perfectly suited for an assistant coaching role.

 

[FishingRick04]

We bemoan Laidley and Rhode's performances because Laidley and Rhode's performances are crap, not because they're failed senior coaches. Correlation =/= causation.

Wharfie has gone cold in defending Rhode