Mega Thread New Stadium

[tesseract]

Re: New Stadium - Time for Cautious Optimism?

^ Unless I'm mistaken, the last sentence doesn't make sense due to what's said in the rest of the sentence being at odds with what's said in the brackets.

The sentence is saying partially, by stating "more than any other fact", while what's said in the brackets definitively says "all".

It's one or the other, can't be both, as you're saying two contradictory things.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Re: New Stadium - Time for Cautious Optimism?

Bump.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/breaking/9550494/stadium-decision-lacks-survey-work/

The State Government is poised to announce the location of Perth’s new major stadium without having done detailed geotechnical or public transport work on the Premier’s preferred Burswood site, it has been revealed.

It has also emerged that the stadium will not be completed before 2017 at the earliest.

Oh ffs, now I have to wait another 6 years before I get a seat

 

[new breed]

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I cant handle anymore of this , I dont think anyone has any idea which is the best site . The East Perth Site was in the top 2 when the feasability study was done but Colin wants Burswood , it will probably be good one day but there will be some possible drama's along the way .

2017 ,,,,...... thats a long time

The Plastic Snakes to scare birds in Pattersons Stadium's roof would have shrivelled up by then

 

[greennick]

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I can just see the Burswood site being quoted at being significantly more expensive once they actually get this done. Then the inevitable delays will occur and this will continue to be dragged out....

 

[EagleMan87]

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Bump.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/breaking/9550494/stadium-decision-lacks-survey-work/

Oh ffs, now I have to wait another 6 years before I get a seat

Knowing the state of things in WA it'll probably end up being closer to 10 years...

 

[larrikin]

Re: New Stadium - Time for Cautious Optimism?

I can just see the Burswood site being quoted at being significantly more expensive once they actually get this done. Then the inevitable delays will occur and this will continue to be dragged out....

And they'll blame the contractors...

 

[Alexwce]

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I am part of the Liberal Party and I like Barnett but I don't think his going to last past the next election so the new stadium will probably be scrapped anyway or at least until the new government decides it's in their interest.

 

[juddy_Like]

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Nah I think Barnett will get another term. He is a master at making him look like a messiah. Remember all the projects he has committed too, were all backed by Labor and Carpenter (Foreshore, Northbridge Link, Stadium) or fully funded privately (Oakajee).

Also he will get another gig because Labor are in a massive shambles (Ripper is a joke and no one takes him seriously, Wyatt.. his own party isn't backing him yet, Allanah.. gone from politics)

 

[Alexwce]

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Nah I think Barnett will get another term. He is a master at making him look like a messiah. Remember all the projects he has committed too, were all backed by Labor and Carpenter (Foreshore, Northbridge Link, Stadium) or fully funded privately (Oakajee).

Also he will get another gig because Labor are in a massive shambles (Ripper is a joke and no one takes him seriously, Wyatt.. his own party isn't backing him yet, Allanah.. gone from politics)

I totally agree with the second paragraph but Barnett is losing ratings and I hope desperately that he gets another term at the minimum as well but I doubt it

 

[Smeg Head]

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Nah I think Barnett will get another term. He is a master at making him look like a messiah. Remember all the projects he has committed too, were all backed by Labor and Carpenter (Foreshore, Northbridge Link, Stadium) or fully funded privately (Oakajee).

Also he will get another gig because Labor are in a massive shambles (Ripper is a joke and no one takes him seriously, Wyatt.. his own party isn't backing him yet, Allanah.. gone from politics)

Also agree with the second paragraph and will add a lot of what Labor does at the Federal level right now will rub off on them at a State Level. Not sure if a State or Fed election is due first mind you.

Either way lets hope they just do the damn thing right the first time, not some half baked design to save a whack of costs and time in the short term.

 

[Galileo9]

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I cant handle anymore of this , I dont think anyone has any idea which is the best site . The East Perth Site was in the top 2 when the feasability study was done but Colin wants Burswood , it will probably be good one day but there will be some possible drama's along the way .

2017 ,,,,...... thats a long time

The Plastic Snakes to scare birds in Pattersons Stadium's roof would have shrivelled up by then

Kitchener park...solves all problems. but problem was that it was suggested by Labor and head of taskforce he hates. he has spent last 2 years trying to find excuses not to build it there. maybe he found one.

Most likely is that he will build it at Burswood and release a document full of spin showing why Kitchener isnt any good. Dont get me wrong I generally like Barnett, but this issue shits me about him.

 

[oak79]

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Kitchener park...solves all problems. but problem was that it was suggested by Labor and head of taskforce he hates. he has spent last 2 years trying to find excuses not to build it there. maybe he found one.

Most likely is that he will build it at Burswood and release a document full of spin showing why Kitchener isnt any good. Dont get me wrong I generally like Barnett, but this issue shits me about him.

Kitchener park doesnt have the 'entertainment precinct' potential that Burswood and East Perth have. It would still be a suburban ground, surrounded by houses, schools and a kids hospital, with traffic and parking problems.

Ideally the Stadium should be close to the CDB, freeway, railway and either already have, or room to build, resturants, fast food, pubs, casino etc to make the footy into a great day/night out.

 

[mick06]

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Been said before, but its all waiting for an election for a proper announcement and like last time we will probably change government and start from scratch again - or go back to original plans

I won't believe it's going ahead until i'm sitting in the stands watching the ball being bounced.

Everyone in power is probably just spooked about what happened with the Perth shitena. That thing was meant to cost about 150 mill and is already at 500 mill. That is a ridiculous amount of extra spending and its nearly 4 years overdue. An arena like that should not cost as much as a football stadium. I cannot believe with the resourcing and construction industries this state is supposed to have how this can happen. Disgraceful management.

At least in 2025 we should have a new 3 billion dollar footy stadium that was designed in 2015 and already out of date.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

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Kitchener park doesnt have the 'entertainment precinct' potential that Burswood and East Perth have. It would still be a suburban ground, surrounded by houses, schools and a kids hospital, with traffic and parking problems.

Ideally the Stadium should be close to the CDB, freeway, railway and either already have, or room to build, resturants, fast food, pubs, casino etc to make the footy into a great day/night out.

Subiaco>Burswood in terms of access and entertainment.

Burswood is the pits and is reliant on so many intangibles to come close to providing the quality of location that Subiaco provides.

 

[Galileo9]

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Kitchener park doesnt have the 'entertainment precinct' potential that Burswood and East Perth have. It would still be a suburban ground, surrounded by houses, schools and a kids hospital, with traffic and parking problems.

Ideally the Stadium should be close to the CDB, freeway, railway and either already have, or room to build, resturants, fast food, pubs, casino etc to make the footy into a great day/night out.

have you actually been to subiaco? it aint quiet ur typical perth suburb now is it.

what entertainment is there at Burswood apart from gambling? businesses are not going to build something there that is serviced once a week and during the day, 6 months of the year. there will be no extra restaurants, pubs etc.

as for your idealism, well you made a case for subiaco. subiaco is close to CBD, so check. freeway - check. railway check. restaurants food, pubs check check check. casino - no it doesnt need to be close to a casino, you just added that in to try and help your cause. its the worst reason for selecting a location of a stadium. helps the casino though.

 

[Alexwce]

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The reason it is not going to be at Kitchener Park is because of the trees that have been there for a millennium, they won't be chopping them down as they are sentimental to WA (apparently). The best bloody place for a stadium would have been where the massive failure of Perth Arena is. They should have made room and built a docklands like ground there. Personally I don't give a **** where they build the stadium as long as they build it.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

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have you actually been to subiaco? it aint quiet ur typical perth suburb now is it.

what entertainment is there at Burswood apart from gambling? businesses are not going to build something there that is serviced once a week and during the day, 6 months of the year. there will be no extra restaurants, pubs etc.

No but there is major development and infill going into the area which will attract new venues. Aside from the Belmont development - there is another major works going on adding tens of thousands of residents near the corner of the polly and GE highway.

Given the stadium is at best 6- 8 years away - that entire area will look different.

as for your idealism, well you made a case for subiaco. subiaco is close to CBD, so check. freeway - check. railway check. restaurants food, pubs check check check. casino - no it doesnt need to be close to a casino, you just added that in to try and help your cause. its the worst reason for selecting a location of a stadium. helps the casino though.

Casino isn't an advantage i agree - but burswood is 400m further from the CBD than Subiaco, close to freeways and should have a major public transport overhaul.

Personally out of the two - i choose burswood.

In saying all of that - I just can't see why East Perth isn't screaming as the obvious option. Multiple train lines in 4 directions already - local pubs within walking distance - more pubs withing 2 mins on public infrastructure and is less than 3 minutes walk to the rectangular stadium.

I know there is issues with the length of the ground - but surely we could use the $300m in earthworks required for Burswood to sink east parade, build over the top and re-develop that entire area.

Screams common sense to me - though i'm happy to put my hand up and say I don't know if there are any deal breakers at the site.

 

[Be Aggressive]

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The best bloody place for a stadium would have been where the massive failure of Perth Arena is. They should have made room and built a docklands like ground there. Personally I don't give a **** where they build the stadium as long as they build it.

Perth Arena will be great, and will get more use than the new AFL stadium. Don't know how you can call it a failure when it isn't finished yet. Haha. Plus it is not taking up much room... if you want to look at annoying buildings with a large footprint, then the Convention Centre is it. A stadium down there near the river would have been brilliant.

 

[Underdog]

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what entertainment is there at Burswood apart from gambling? businesses are not going to build something there that is serviced once a week and during the day, 6 months of the year. there will be no extra restaurants, pubs etc.

Rubbish. The idea is to create an entertainment precinct. As such, you will be attracting people to also come outside football events. I could see a precinct in there with a bunch of new pubs and restaurants being quite successful.

Also, +1 as a big fan of Perth Arena.

 

[mick06]

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3 years and 3 times over budget already spell failure to me.

Having said that ill be going to watch the wildcats so long as they get the same atmosphere as they had at the entertainment centre.

 

[Underdog]

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3 years and 3 times over budget already spell failure to me.

That doesn't mean it's going to be rubbish altogether.

In all honesty, I don't care much for the delays and budget issues. It could've been far better but quite simply, we need that facility desperately. I'm quite content just having it built!

 

[Marlin01]

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With the benefit of hindsight, would they have been better off building the stadium, the entertainment centre and the convention centre in the same precinct?

 

[oak79]

Re: New Stadium - Time for Cautious Optimism?

have you actually been to subiaco? it aint quiet ur typical perth suburb now is it.

what entertainment is there at Burswood apart from gambling? businesses are not going to build something there that is serviced once a week and during the day, 6 months of the year. there will be no extra restaurants, pubs etc.

as for your idealism, well you made a case for subiaco. subiaco is close to CBD, so check. freeway - check. railway check. restaurants food, pubs check check check. casino - no it doesnt need to be close to a casino, you just added that in to try and help your cause. its the worst reason for selecting a location of a stadium. helps the casino though.

Ah yeh.. I go there at least 11 times a year for Home games!

The difference is Burswood is not somewhere that resturants would get serviced once a week. The Casino is a full week draw card - link with resturants etc it is a major part of an Entertainment precint. Add in the river and proximity to Perth and Freeway, it has a lot more potential. The Casino may not be a good reason for stadium locaton in itself, but as part of a precint, it contributes.

Access to the freeway from Subi is a pain, unless you park 10min walk away. Traffic is shocking after a game in Subi, and there's almost no potential to improve it. Rail access is good, but needs a major upgrade if Subi was to remain the home of football (as would Burswood or East Perth).

Add in a council that does not care for the interests of football, concerts etc (limited night games, curfews).

I love Subi as an area - but its not the place for a world class stadium - it should be as close to inner city as possible.

 

[greennick]

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With the benefit of hindsight, would they have been better off building the stadium, the entertainment centre and the convention centre in the same precinct?

They could still do that if they really wanted to. Though you wouldn't want to build the stadium on the river for aesthetic and cost reasons I would imagine. The back end of the city would be great for it though, would require a lot of sinking of roads and railroads. Or, we could just get together with the WACA and build it on there.... Not going to happen though.

 

[Alexwce]

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Perth Arena will be great, and will get more use than the new AFL stadium. Don't know how you can call it a failure when it isn't finished yet. Haha. Plus it is not taking up much room... if you want to look at annoying buildings with a large footprint, then the Convention Centre is it. A stadium down there near the river would have been brilliant.

It is a failure. It should have been built years ago and has cost some 400 million dollars more.

People who have been worked on building it have been rocking up at close to 8 sitting around and there would be 15 people maximum working on it before knocking off at 3-4pm.

Had the employees and employers put effort into building it quicker, had 400 million not dissapeared then no it wouldn't have been a failure.

We could have had a stadium by now, far more important than some mediocre arena.