Mega Thread New Stadium

[Galileo9]

Re: New Stadium - Time for Cautious Optimism?

Please let the Burswood option be true

70,000 seat World Class Stadium. Together with Cafe & Shopping Precint all on the River, ala Melb Style near the Crown.

Hopefully Underground Train to the Staduim and give the Casino a much needed facelift.

as opposed to subiaco which is already walking distance from town, to cafes and shopping.

there isnt much in burswood unless you are lookign to buy a BMW. not to mention Burswood Casino would actually want to control everything about its design/construction. not sure if anyone knows whether the land around the casino is owned privately or not?

for me burswood is closer but doubt the benefit is greater than subiacos.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

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At least Burswood stadium will showcase Perth city on the river like the MCG and docklands does for Melbourne. For me the ultimate decsion would be to convert the WACA into a multi purpose stadium but Burswood will be a good move also. Subi doesn't showcase Perth.

Does anyone know where the proposed site will be? the only concievable place would be where the state tennis centre is or where the golf courses are or besides Belmont Park on the river.

 

[lusheslewis]

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Are they proposing to build it on the north "nine" of the golf course? If so that's still a "fair way" from the casino/hotel.

If so it would be nice to see some development along the east bank of the river (possibly linked to the west via bridges/ferries) all the way down to where the casino/hotel is. Would be a nice link between the two areas.

It would have to be set up to be viable all year round (not just on game days) but I don't see that being a problem given it is such a good location and there should be excellent access with the new infrastructure required for the stadium.

Probably all wishful thinking though.

 

[88mph]

Re: New Stadium - Time for Cautious Optimism?

Burswood is a great option.
They should also investigate a light rail connecting Canning Bridge to Burswood.

 

[Kernel Sanders]

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When the round of talk was on last (2 years ago?) and Packer offered his land to build on, if I remember correctly, he was going to give up the golf course.

Thats the side of Burswood that needs the Stadium built on (city side) with a new Cafe & Shopping Precinct.


Yes I know Subiaco alredy has they eateries (a little distance away) but we need / want something with more flair, something that showcases Perth, something that puts on the map with a grand vision / well executed plan.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

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Burswood is a great option.
They should also investigate a light rail connecting Canning Bridge to Burswood.

surely you jest

Yes but transport will have to be beefed up for Burswood and the shabby train station there will need a facelift and if needed put closer to the stadium (but not too far from the casino).

Any word about if the Burswood Dome would be demolished? I think then that would be the perfect spot for the stadium.

 

[sTeeL]

Re: New Stadium - Time for Cautious Optimism?

At least Burswood stadium will showcase Perth city on the river like the MCG and docklands does for Melbourne. For me the ultimate decsion would be to convert the WACA into a multi purpose stadium but Burswood will be a good move also. Subi doesn't showcase Perth.

Does anyone know where the proposed site will be? the only concievable place would be where the state tennis centre is or where the golf courses are or besides Belmont Park on the river.

I worked for Burswood a while back when the talk first came up about the Stadium. There was a talk to the employees about the direction the company was taking and the proposal they were putting forward to get the stadium built at Burswood.

From memory they were looking at the Golf course to build it on. Also from memory, it was public land and not owned by Burswood. But Burswood wanted it there just from the massive boost in numbers attending their "Entertainment Complex" hence the submission to the government.

Regardless, I definately remember Burswood saying that the majority of the land around the Casino/Hotel was actually public land anyway.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

Re: New Stadium - Time for Cautious Optimism?

I worked for Burswood a while back when the talk first came up about the Stadium. There was a talk to the employees about the direction the company was taking and the proposal they were putting forward to get the stadium built at Burswood.

From memory they were looking at the Golf course to build it on. Also from memory, it was public land and not owned by Burswood. But Burswood wanted it there just from the massive boost in numbers attending their "Entertainment Complex" hence the submission to the government.

Regardless, I definately remember Burswood saying that the majority of the land around the Casino/Hotel was actually public land anyway.

Perth Arena will be open in 2012 and when it is Burswood Dome will be made redundant, I think then that space would be good for the stadium. If not there than the golf course area.

 

[sTeeL]

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I also thought there was some talk about demolishing the Dome but I couldnt remember what was said so I left it out.

Didn't know about Perth Arena and a new stadium at Burswood will then be best for the casino/hotel

 

[Coast_Watch]

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Subiaco has shot itself in the foot as far as I am concerned. I lived in Subi for quite a few years and always loved the footy aspects. However, far from welcoming the benefits that the AFL brings, the Subi Council has spent the past twenty years putting hurdles in the way of the WAFL and shutting down public access to the zone on football days. So if we have to build a new stadium, then taking the game elsewhere is the right thing to do. Subi doesn't deserve AFL anymore.

East Perth / Burswood / around the WACA/Gloucester Park area are all appealing. The primary condition would be that first class rail and bus access is provided so as to make access easy. The other facilities will come along in good time.

 

[wedgetail]

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Brilliant news. Burswood golf course is crown land on a long lease to Packer. It will take some buying out but given the weekly influx of punters from a 70k half-lubed sports crowd across the road... and the low margin operation at the golf course, Packer will definately be interested. still.

Easily the best and most natural site, even with the large amount of peat removal and fill. A new event train station inside the ground touches all the train lines except midland and a dual lane freeway right on a decent area for carparking. What more could you want? The surrounding area is ultra high density residential and the nightlife / bars / post game stuff will definately come, and it will all be clean slate development so it will be new and... mint.

It actually beggars belief that Carpenter McGinty and co didnt properly consider it back when they were stalling at committee (because they couldnt come up with the money). At least there is some senbsible political leadership now. And the stupid world cup cash is off the table so i guess its time to get on and build it. woot

 

[Galileo9]

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Brilliant news. Burswood golf course is crown land on a long lease to Packer. It will take some buying out but given the weekly influx of punters from a 70k half-lubed sports crowd across the road... and the low margin operation at the golf course, Packer will definately be interested. still.

Easily the best and most natural site, even with the large amount of peat removal and fill. A new event train station inside the ground touches all the train lines except midland and a dual lane freeway right on a decent area for carparking. What more could you want? The surrounding area is ultra high density residential and the nightlife / bars / post game stuff will definately come, and it will all be clean slate development so it will be new and... mint.

It actually beggars belief that Carpenter McGinty and co didnt properly consider it back when they were stalling at committee (because they couldnt come up with the money). At least there is some senbsible political leadership now. And the stupid world cup cash is off the table so i guess its time to get on and build it. woot

U r making the problems and costs of having it in burswood trivial. The fill, peat, clay, the piling, water level are huge costs. I think it was a waste dump at some stage although dont quote me on that. Massive unknowns and risks. Extra train station andbtracks big cost. There is nothing That makes this a natural choice. Cafes etc r not going to come just because of 6 months of footy once a week. Subiaco, leederville and town already provide this. Not to mention a train station is already there. if cafes were going to bring people to casino, it would have been built already. It's not like burswood will be able to provide anything more than can be built at subiaco. There is enough room and much lower risks to cost over runs. And if there r cost over runs, u can bet govt will cheapen the stadium built and not simply put up the money.

 

[USAEagle]

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When I took a course in golf course management, we spent a day at Burswood seeing how the greenskeeping operation was run. Anecdotally, when they sank the first artesian bore, they drilled straight through the roof of a car buried in the tip that used to be there. So yes, it is built on a tip, fairly unstable land, really only good for parks or golf courses.

 

[larrikin]

Re: New Stadium - Time for Cautious Optimism?

When I took a course in golf course management, we spent a day at Burswood seeing how the greenskeeping operation was run. Anecdotally, when they sank the first artesian bore, they drilled straight through the roof of a car buried in the tip that used to be there. So yes, it is built on a tip, fairly unstable land, really only good for parks or golf courses.

Which is why it was knocked on the head by the previous government.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

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I don't know much about how they build on land like at Burswood but I am sure the experts who do this for a living do so not sure what the issue is with some of you.

If the cost blows out by 200 million then so what.

Subiaco council go on about tradition and that Subiaco is the home of football in WA yet put every obstacle possible in front.

Stands can only be so high because of residents.
Noise can be only so much after certain hours.

My preference is Burswood but to be honest I don't care where it is or how much it costs.

It needs to be done whether it starts next year or in 10 years it is a priority for this state.

Burswood just makes a lot of sense in making an entertainment precinct.

 

[larrikin]

Re: New Stadium - Time for Cautious Optimism?

I don't know much about how they build on land like at Burswood but I am sure the experts who do this for a living do so not sure what the issue is with some of you.

If the cost blows out by 200 million then so what.

Those experts were the ones who advised against building it there.

They could certainly do it, just at what cost.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Re: New Stadium - Time for Cautious Optimism?

Those experts were the ones who advised against building it there.

They could certainly do it, just at what cost.

The point is Larrikin that this has been on the table for 3 years now, took Langolaunt 2 years to investigate. (God only knows why it takes so long)

So in 3 years it has blown out at least with costs I would guess 100 million plus.

Every year we wait it further blows out which I am sure they know.

Pick a site and start it, richest state in the country, should of been built during the last resource boom but we had a labor Government so.........................

Just get on with it.

 

[Kernel Sanders]

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Back when Packer put Burswood on the tables, his contribution was something like $300M - $500M to the cost, basically the additional costs of building on Swampy / Marsh Lands; and a little more.

Can't remember what conditions were attached and whether Packer would retain some % ownership of the new Stadium. I gather this would be a great investment for Packer due to the additional Revenue the Casino would make through the AFL patronage coming through before / after the game. In that sense, Packer doesn't need a % ownership of the stadium.

Someone with a better memory than I may want to expand on this.

On another note, great to see The City Of Subiaco crying poor now, after years of putting so many restrictions on what Subi Oval can / can't do.

 

[larrikin]

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The point is Larrikin that this has been on the table for 3 years now, took Langolaunt 2 years to investigate. (God only knows why it takes so long)

So in 3 years it has blown out at least with costs I would guess 100 million plus.

Every year we wait it further blows out which I am sure they know.

Pick a site and start it, richest state in the country, should of been built during the last resource boom but we had a labor Government so.........................

Just get on with it.

Yeah, agree with all of that

 

[The Falcon Strike]

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On another note, great to see The City Of Subiaco crying poor now, after years of putting so many restrictions on what Subi Oval can / can't do.

I think plenty of people are enjoying this aspect - myself included.

 

[greennick]

Re: New Stadium - Time for Cautious Optimism?

Back when Packer put Burswood on the tables, his contribution was something like $300M - $500M to the cost, basically the additional costs of building on Swampy / Marsh Lands; and a little more.

Can't remember what conditions were attached and whether Packer would retain some % ownership of the new Stadium. I gather this would be a great investment for Packer due to the additional Revenue the Casino would make through the AFL patronage coming through before / after the game. In that sense, Packer doesn't need a % ownership of the stadium.

Someone with a better memory than I may want to expand on this.

On another note, great to see The City Of Subiaco crying poor now, after years of putting so many restrictions on what Subi Oval can / can't do.

Presumably he would want some ownership for his investment. Surely we would not want to have to contribute just as much (as his contribution only covered the additional costs) and have less ownership and control. How stupid would that be??

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

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I don't know much about how they build on land like at Burswood but I am sure the experts who do this for a living do so not sure what the issue is with some of you.

If the cost blows out by 200 million then so what.

Subiaco council go on about tradition and that Subiaco is the home of football in WA yet put every obstacle possible in front.

Stands can only be so high because of residents.
Noise can be only so much after certain hours.

My preference is Burswood but to be honest I don't care where it is or how much it costs.

It needs to be done whether it starts next year or in 10 years it is a priority for this state.

Burswood just makes a lot of sense in making an entertainment precinct.

To build at burswood would cost another 300 million plus and would take a extra 12 months to build that what was in the langolant report.

Plus another 100 million plus for the railway link.

There is also long term worries about building on a tip, effecting the structure after 20 years.

The psoition of site is great the ground sucks though.

I would prefer Kitchner park.

 

[Galileo9]

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its all political posturing. it will eventually be built at kitchner.

barnett wants kitchner to be seen as his idea and wafc are trying to pound the city council into submission by threatening that stadium could be built elsewhere.

ahhh the art of politics.

 

[bodazoka]

Re: New Stadium - Time for Cautious Optimism?

its all political posturing. it will eventually be built at kitchner.

barnett wants kitchner to be seen as his idea and wafc are trying to pound the city council into submission by threatening that stadium could be built elsewhere.

ahhh the art of politics.

This is more likely.

Theres no way the pollies would choose the hardest place to develope and the most expensive.

 

[Coast_Watch]

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its all political posturing. it will eventually be built at kitchner.

barnett wants kitchner to be seen as his idea and wafc are trying to pound the city council into submission by threatening that stadium could be built elsewhere.

ahhh the art of politics.

That has been my suspicion as well. However, I hate the thought of footy being placed back in the hands of Subi Council again. That is why I favour it going almost anywhere else!